• Godofdirt@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    Yeah that is the level of self awareness that created this bullshit. Fuck the Democrats. To be clear I voted for Harris but t Still think the Democrats suck

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      You guys deserve trump.

      Like “the democrats weren’t cool and sexy enough, and they didn’t serenade me long enough, they didn’t even have my favorite ice cream flavor”.

      This thread is full of it.

      There’s no campaign bad enough to justify electing the injecting bleach criminal.

      They just should have needed to come out, point at trump and say “if you don’t vote for me you’ll get him”, turn 180 and go to sleep. And should have won like 80-20.

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        Last night the Democrats official response the Donald Trump’s speech was to praise Ronald Reagan. It somehow here you stand today defending them. Unbelievable

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          They could have taken an accordion and played a polka while making donkey noises for all I care. When the alternative is a literal criminal that is so dumb he thought planes are invisible, it shouldn’t be about what democrats are doing.

          - Cake or death?

          - Well… what flavor is the cake? Vanilla? So boring!

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            You realize the Democrats I’m talking about were elected right? We voted for them. Now they can’t be bothered to do anything? We should just be happy they exist? They should just settle in as the loyal opposition? That’s all I can expect from my representative? What are they good for?

            You fucking neoliberals love to pretend like y’all are so against what Donald Trump’s doing. Y’all love this. He’s doing all the things you wish you could do and y’all don’t have to get your hands dirty. Eroding of the middle class, enslaving of the workers, destruction of the regulatory state, and deregulation across the board. Neoliberal wet dream. This is what y’all have been gunning for for 40 years. Not even hiding it anymore. Going on national television as a group and lauding your hero Ronald Reagan.

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              I’m far, far left of anything the democrats stand for. Universal healthcare, free education, strong unions, respect of minorities, gay marriage, wealth tax, legalized recreational drugs, green energy, and a few others.

              So spot on with your analysis, congratulations.

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      See you might have voted for Harris but people who go online and read comments like “Fuck the Democrats” and “Democrats are Centrists” didn’t. People didn’t vote for Harris because of shit like your comment.

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        If a Democrat’s billion dollar war chest can’t stand against an anonymous online person saying “Democrats are centrists” maybe they shouldn’t be centrists.

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            If a hundred million of your constituents are asking you to do something, fucking do it. A candidate can tell their base to shut up, but expecting them to still turn out, as we just saw, is a fantasy.

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              The majority of people shitting on dems were not dem constituents. They were Republicans. An unfortunate number were dems but far from a majority, going by primary results for the last two decades.

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                There’s a lot of cocky talk from you about majorities from someone bemoaning an electoral defeat across the board.

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        People didn’t vote for Harris because her campaign sucked ass, it’s her and her staff who failed to convince people to vote for her, not people who voiced their dissatisfaction with her proposed policy. They need to do better, and if they do, then people excercising their freedom of speech on the internet won’t sway votes away from the party. Idea that people shouldn’t be allowed to complain about the genocide because it voices loudly the dissatisfaction over the party actions and that may lead to lower voter turnout is flawed to it’s core. Those comments are the symptom of the problem, the sign that there is something wrong with the way they directed the campaign, not the source of it. You will get nowhere by silencing the dissidents, you need to take away their reasons to complain, not their means. Until Dems learn this lesson, they won’t win elections again, not with the antiestabilishment vibes and lack of trust towards the government that are prevailent im USA. Not only this messaging of censure won’t work, it will only piss off the electorate and alienate them further. Before the elections I have assumed that this campaign to shame people into voting was a psy op, but it seems like it’s actually their position on the matter, which definitely makes me think they’re controlled opposition at this point. They can’t actually think this kind of messaging helps them in any way, right? This arrogant approach is specifically why Republican electorate hates them. If they want to win, like, ever, they need to work on that.

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          I’m sorry their message didn’t vibe with you but the Harris policy stances were all on point, minus that shit Walz had to say about Israeli borders. But the vast majority of Americans seemed unaware of the policy stances being on point because of the constant whinging of people online about how they don’t trust her.

          Here is an idea, buy Twitter, Meta, Google, WaPo, and TikTok and start propagandizing like the GOP had on their side. She’d probably win by 20 Mil minimum. That’s how fucking easy it is to trick the USA, not even any politics involved, just fuck with the kid’s vibe feeds and watch them destroy themselves. Even talking with you lowers my faith in humanity.

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            They weren’t unaware of the policy because of “whining”, but because Dems failed to effectively communicate their proposals. They also failed to combat misinformation from the right, but this I’ll forgive them for this one because at the very least they had opponent in that field that pushed back. That’s not the case for their atrocious campaign that bled voters left and right.

            If Americans are unaware or not happy with the candidate stances on various policies, that’s entirely the candidate fault. And when the stances they’re aware of are “I wouldn’t do anything differently than Joe Biden” when JB had to be switched out from the race due to his unpopularity, then the candidate just digs their electoral grave.

            You’re entirely missing the point of my previous comment. Dems lost, because they couldn’t make their voters feel like they were the right choice. You’re sarcastic about “vibing” but it’s exactly what required for politician to win an elections. People aren’t wise and don’t delve in deep in policy, as it is excellently shown by morons playing catch up with economic difficulties Trump’s rule already brought. It’s politician job to make their electorate trust them. It is their failure if they can’t (or don’t want to, if they are bought as controlled opposition) make that happen. You really can’t say that “Dems had great campaign but people didn’t like it” because it’s precisely the popularity that makes the campaign great. And no, Harris and her team had terrible campaign, and lost to the opponent that was very easy to trip up and expose. You trying to blame people for not vibing with genocide doesn’t help either. And if me telling you that Dems had bad campaign “lowers your faith in humanity”, then it seems you might be in a cult and not be ready for a mature discussion about the direction that Dems politics will take them. You might want to have that checked out.

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          Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 did not show up to vote for Harris in 2024. Trumps numbers hardly changed at all.

          It really is that simple, no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.

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            no enthusiasm among the left due to infighting and degrading our candidate.

            First, the democrats are not “the left”. Don’t even pretend. Dick Cheney is on their side and they lauded that, ffs.

            Second, we all did our damnedest to bite our tongues over your pro-cop, pro-israel bae, but everyone is well aware she was a piece of shit candidate. “Infighting” isn’t what cost the democrats the vote. “Pushing forward another intensely bad choice and then running a bad campaign that failed to win anyone over” did. You left people stuck between an insane choice and a miserable one. Should they have chosen misery? Sure, but don’t parade around acting like everyone should have proudly accepted the miserable one. That’s the attitude that has cost your country everything. The democrats are continuing to prove they just have no idea how to lead themselves or act in any meaningful way in the face of fascism.

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              If you’re fighting against the Democrats then you’re promoting fascism. We live in a first past the post 2 party system.

              You can have progressive reform or fascism, stop choosing fascism.

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                Call me when the democrats actually do something to fight fascism then. I predict you’ll continue to side with them as they continue to sit on their asses whining “it’s not allowed!” while your country invades mine. Cut a liberal and a fascist bleeds.

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        Oh yeah, I’m sure it had nothing to do with people like you yelling at people that they’re monsters for even slightly criticizing the DNC and Harris campaign.

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      Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.

      Just like they would have done nothing when Trumpists did a violent coup if the voting results were different.

      Liberals only differ from fascists in degree, not the kind of ideology they follow.

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        they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.

        What do you mean? Didn’t you see their tiny signs last night? That’ll sure show him!

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          Fascism cannot stand against the power of color coordination. (And friendship. Have we tried using the power of friendship?)

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          I think they were even instructed to be “quiet”. And they all just fucking fell in line.

      • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Imagine posting this meme when just today the DNC have announced their “new” leadership and it’s just the same as the old leadership, and they’ve done absolutely nothing to push back against Trump this whole time.

        “But maybe next DNC chair you’ll get a progressive! Vote for us and we’ll give you what you want next time.”