Well, exactly the same can and is happening on specific Lemmy servers too.
One of the vegan instances bans you if you downvote anything that speaks in favour of veganism. Not that I just do this out of spite, but there was this time where a thread about vegan cat food gained traction and I downvoted some comments that were really borderline. Ban within an hour.
Same on that notorious star trek instance. Go ahead and put some downvotes on Discovery related posts, it will also earn you a temporary ban.
So let’s not pretend that it’s only big bad reddit doing this.
A little, sure, but from my point of view (which you are happy to disagree with), very little.
Personally I am a big Star Trek fan. I was stoked to see there is an actual dedicated Lemmy server for it, with many communities focused around everything Star Trek. But I disagree with their admin/moderation so much I had to change my account to another server. At some point ended up blocking the whole instance because I just cannot keep myself to just reading what others are posting.
So even if I can use another server, I cannot use those communities. Similar if I were a vegan and would not agree with what some of the more extreme users are posting.
There are not many active alternatives for these communities on Lemmy.
You can make your own alternatives, that’s the difference. If you think the mods/admins of those comms/instances aren’t doing well, then you could do better yourself. That’s the freedom that the fediverse gives you. You could not do the same on Reddit.
its sickening how they pretend to care about animals and nature by being vegan yet its just egotripping and blatant animal abuse. If they actually care about animals they should be the first ones denouncing vegan cat food.
It’s already bad enough that a lot of dry cat food in the market has grain (and the high cost of grainless alternatives) to even considering giving vegan food to a cat pffff.
Yeah. I’m a vegan and I took issue with that. Sure we can do scientific studies to see how cats do on vegan diets, but imo that further propels cat domestication which vegans should be against at the very beginning. We already subject cats and other pets to environments that aren’t natural to their genetic history. And now vegans are introducing foods that aren’t natural, even though taking cats off streets can be seen as the more ethical thing to do, given the alternatives.
Lots of nuance here, but it’s not fair to the cats. Any time vegans think for themselves instead of the real victims of animal slavery, they undermine their entire cause.
cant believe that show went on five seasons, and it got worst every season too, and the obvious objective kurtzman was evident by season 4(female leads were the only sex left on the cast), the only likable characther, was michelle yeohs performance(you can see the acting is better than the others). Picard also was like that(the show couldve been good if done right, but picard(patrick stewart) seemed too low energy for the show.
Plus side here is that people can move to another instance and start commenting right away as opposed to being shadow banned for a period in certain subs and having to build up enough karma to not automatically have every comment flagged.
People aren’t stuck to the policies of instances they don’t agree with whether it be reasons for bans or what instances are blocked or whitelisted.
The motives behind the actions of these groups are vastly different though. A corporation silencing anti-establishment speech is not equivalent to lemmy moderators abusing authority in their micro-feifdoms
It’s enough to just make new account every couple months
It’s a good practice anyway. Fresh start every month feels good. Privacy is much better this way on such transparent site as Lemmy. You reset any mutes/bans/fame you might have acquired. It’s win-win
+It’s not like Lemmy has some kind of insane profile customisation fluff or account bound rewards
Also remember to have a unique username for each site for best doxx protection. I use this Osint site sometimes for lulz and there are people who have same PayPal id (with real name shown) as their Lemmy account name lol.
Lemmy may be tame but if you browse any deep chan sites opsec is of paramount and admins are hostile actors deep down there too that WILL post your data. Here I kinda trust admins just a little so that accidental true IP reveal seems like no big deal.
However one day you may sign up to the wrong instance or instance may change hands and someone may post your data to some chan like alt right pit. This is a danger of entrusting your account to small private operators that are complete strangers
See my other comment. That is not really the solution since you will simply get banned again after a while, depending on how much you interact there. Unless admin/moderation changes, making a new account just gives you a bit of extra time using those communities.
Lemmy even has the option to disable downvotes, so they’re obviously using downvotes as some kind of purity test.
Side note, there should be a way to soft block certain instances so you can see and interact with its federated posts but not send anything to the instance itself. You want to limit open discussion on your instance? Fine, but everyone else is still going to talk about you.
Fr seeing in the modlog that people are regularly getting banned from parts of the fediverse for innocuous shit like “chronic downvoting” is so disappointing.
Imo however you do or do not hit the little arrow buttons should never have any bearing on your account or standing, at all.
I don’t even understand why mods/admins have access to see how people are voting, fuck that bullshit.
I got banned from a vegan group once because I responded to a person talking about how “non-vegans must be sociopaths to not care about all the suffering of animals as they scream in pain” or something like that. I responded with a link to a study that plants do in fact scream when being injured. We just can’t hear it. Apparently they didn’t like that, lol.
Edit to add: I didn’t just respond with a link. But something like “As much as I appreciate veganism I am not sure what to tell you. Because if avoiding screaming and suffering in your food source is the reason you became vegan I do have some bad news <link>”
Plants do not have a central nervous system to process pain and even if they did “feel pain” you’re still eating more of them by eating animal products…
you’re still eating more of them by eating animal products…
not necessarily. we mostly feed livestock parts of plants we don’t or can’t eat. so while spinach is human-edible, the spinach fed to chickens is not handled in a way that keeps it safe for human consumption. by feeding it to livestock, we are conserving resources.
Fair enough. Turns out while every single news article reporting on the plant scream study talks about it as “pain”, the scientists themselves made no such claims. Merely calling it “stress” in plants.
Thank you for giving me a reasonable response that made me look into it further and educated me - the way I feel like would have been beneficial initially instead of what actually happened in that vegan group.
Well, exactly the same can and is happening on specific Lemmy servers too.
One of the vegan instances bans you if you downvote anything that speaks in favour of veganism. Not that I just do this out of spite, but there was this time where a thread about vegan cat food gained traction and I downvoted some comments that were really borderline. Ban within an hour.
Same on that notorious star trek instance. Go ahead and put some downvotes on Discovery related posts, it will also earn you a temporary ban.
So let’s not pretend that it’s only big bad reddit doing this.
I feel like there’s a difference between various moderators power-tripping on their own little fiefdoms, and a site wide policy.
A little, sure, but from my point of view (which you are happy to disagree with), very little.
Personally I am a big Star Trek fan. I was stoked to see there is an actual dedicated Lemmy server for it, with many communities focused around everything Star Trek. But I disagree with their admin/moderation so much I had to change my account to another server. At some point ended up blocking the whole instance because I just cannot keep myself to just reading what others are posting.
So even if I can use another server, I cannot use those communities. Similar if I were a vegan and would not agree with what some of the more extreme users are posting.
There are not many active alternatives for these communities on Lemmy.
You can make your own alternatives, that’s the difference. If you think the mods/admins of those comms/instances aren’t doing well, then you could do better yourself. That’s the freedom that the fediverse gives you. You could not do the same on Reddit.
Vegan cat food? What the frak, poor cats.
its sickening how they pretend to care about animals and nature by being vegan yet its just egotripping and blatant animal abuse. If they actually care about animals they should be the first ones denouncing vegan cat food.
It’s already bad enough that a lot of dry cat food in the market has grain (and the high cost of grainless alternatives) to even considering giving vegan food to a cat pffff.
Dry food is the worst between their diabetes risk and CKD risk.
Yeah. I’m a vegan and I took issue with that. Sure we can do scientific studies to see how cats do on vegan diets, but imo that further propels cat domestication which vegans should be against at the very beginning. We already subject cats and other pets to environments that aren’t natural to their genetic history. And now vegans are introducing foods that aren’t natural, even though taking cats off streets can be seen as the more ethical thing to do, given the alternatives.
Lots of nuance here, but it’s not fair to the cats. Any time vegans think for themselves instead of the real victims of animal slavery, they undermine their entire cause.
Discovery is shit.
cant believe that show went on five seasons, and it got worst every season too, and the obvious objective kurtzman was evident by season 4(female leads were the only sex left on the cast), the only likable characther, was michelle yeohs performance(you can see the acting is better than the others). Picard also was like that(the show couldve been good if done right, but picard(patrick stewart) seemed too low energy for the show.
Never seen but just cause I am in edgy mood today: discovery is utter garbage. They should pay health insurance to anyone who has seen it.
It’s so garbage that the dump trucks drivers get confused and arrive at people houses if they turn it on
Plus side here is that people can move to another instance and start commenting right away as opposed to being shadow banned for a period in certain subs and having to build up enough karma to not automatically have every comment flagged.
People aren’t stuck to the policies of instances they don’t agree with whether it be reasons for bans or what instances are blocked or whitelisted.
Yes, Lemmyverse will fragment, so it’s important to choose sufficiently permissive instances or even run your own.
The motives behind the actions of these groups are vastly different though. A corporation silencing anti-establishment speech is not equivalent to lemmy moderators abusing authority in their micro-feifdoms
It’s enough to just make new account every couple months
It’s a good practice anyway. Fresh start every month feels good. Privacy is much better this way on such transparent site as Lemmy. You reset any mutes/bans/fame you might have acquired. It’s win-win
+It’s not like Lemmy has some kind of insane profile customisation fluff or account bound rewards
Also remember to have a unique username for each site for best doxx protection. I use this Osint site sometimes for lulz and there are people who have same PayPal id (with real name shown) as their Lemmy account name lol. Lemmy may be tame but if you browse any deep chan sites opsec is of paramount and admins are hostile actors deep down there too that WILL post your data. Here I kinda trust admins just a little so that accidental true IP reveal seems like no big deal.
However one day you may sign up to the wrong instance or instance may change hands and someone may post your data to some chan like alt right pit. This is a danger of entrusting your account to small private operators that are complete strangers
See my other comment. That is not really the solution since you will simply get banned again after a while, depending on how much you interact there. Unless admin/moderation changes, making a new account just gives you a bit of extra time using those communities.
gross, even STD is being defended here, who is paying for these shills. nutrek is such a badly written/show franchise right now.
Lemmy even has the option to disable downvotes, so they’re obviously using downvotes as some kind of purity test.
Side note, there should be a way to soft block certain instances so you can see and interact with its federated posts but not send anything to the instance itself. You want to limit open discussion on your instance? Fine, but everyone else is still going to talk about you.
Yes, but that is like being banned on a specific Reddit. You didnt follow the rules. Reddit will ban you from the entire platform.
That’s crazy, had no idea that data was available to the mods of an instance
Fr seeing in the modlog that people are regularly getting banned from parts of the fediverse for innocuous shit like “chronic downvoting” is so disappointing.
Imo however you do or do not hit the little arrow buttons should never have any bearing on your account or standing, at all.
I don’t even understand why mods/admins have access to see how people are voting, fuck that bullshit.
I got banned from a vegan group once because I responded to a person talking about how “non-vegans must be sociopaths to not care about all the suffering of animals as they scream in pain” or something like that. I responded with a link to a study that plants do in fact scream when being injured. We just can’t hear it. Apparently they didn’t like that, lol.
Edit to add: I didn’t just respond with a link. But something like “As much as I appreciate veganism I am not sure what to tell you. Because if avoiding screaming and suffering in your food source is the reason you became vegan I do have some bad news <link>”
Plants do not have a central nervous system to process pain and even if they did “feel pain” you’re still eating more of them by eating animal products…
not necessarily. we mostly feed livestock parts of plants we don’t or can’t eat. so while spinach is human-edible, the spinach fed to chickens is not handled in a way that keeps it safe for human consumption. by feeding it to livestock, we are conserving resources.
Fair enough. Turns out while every single news article reporting on the plant scream study talks about it as “pain”, the scientists themselves made no such claims. Merely calling it “stress” in plants.
Thank you for giving me a reasonable response that made me look into it further and educated me - the way I feel like would have been beneficial initially instead of what actually happened in that vegan group.