• dick_fineman@discuss.online
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    I’m not talking about rent, I’m talking about the massive credit card and loan debt that has propped up millions of folks trying to live a lifestyle they can’t really afford. In the US, it’s incredibly common for folks to just take on debt for stupid shit, like a jacked up truck they only ever use to drive to the grocery store.

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        For that dept you could just move to a non fucked up country and get citizenship there.

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          Ah shit it’s so simple to relocate. Just sell everything you own, cut ties with everyone you know, and move to a country that just offers citizenship to anyone that asks.

          I don’t know why everyone hasn’t done that already.

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      Groceries.

      The debt is for groceries.

      Super wealthy people portray it like you just did, but what you said isn’t accurate.

      People are putting basic necessities on credit cards now.

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      this is the 6th time in the past 2 days i see this argument. blaming the people for using the system that has been forced on us over the past 20 years to bolster GDP.

      i smell an attempted narrative change.

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            It’s not disinformation. Those jackasses with $70k trucks aren’t paying cash. The folks living in McMansions aren’t paying cash either. Tons of folks in the US live beyond their means and simply take on debt to finance it.

            Accusing everyone who raises a point you don’t like of “astroturfing” only makes you look like a paranoid jackass. Now, kindly, do fuck off.

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        Nobody is forcing you to get a credit card. It’s the stupid american culture that is making you do that. The amount of people who solely use all their income on nothing but food and rent are nowhere near as many as the people who use it to live beyond their means and pay for their overconsumption.

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            Oh yes I agree its the systematic failure of american people to fuck up their own country over generations and be happy about it. In the current era of unparalleled freedom of information, there is no excuse other than being stupid and believing you are not.

            I think its american exceptionalism that is to blame since americans geniuinely belive they do not live in a 3rd world oligarchic shithole and that they know what freedom and democracy means. Good news is the current crisis is literally the thing people need to understand what freedom is and why it is important since you have lost it for the first time.

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              it’s not just america. the entire west had to switch from the keynesian system to the friedman system after america and the uk’s pinochet experiment. unfortunately friedmans system doesn’t work if everyone does it; and the patch is currently to take advantage of the poor as new loan takers are born every day and it’s currently the only way to inject more cash into the economy.