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  • Bloomcole@lemmy.ml
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    I am not a fan of Putin either.
    But NATO forced his hand, as was always the intention.
    It is NATO who would be in the face of Russia threatening them with nukes if they let them into ex-ukraine.
    It’s not Russia who unilatery blew up missile treaties and put them in Romania.
    If Putin would be half as mad as the west claim to be they would be at war by now.
    Ukraine war is a matter of survival.
    Just look at history, always the European nations attacking Russia.

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      1 month ago

      History is irrelevant, past “personalities” of countries do not define how they will act in the future.

      NATO is a defense pact. NATO is not what Putin is scared of, that’s just a convenient name that groups together the countries that he percieves as the “source” of the threat.

      Putin is fully aware that NATO presents absolute zero military danger to Russia.

      The only reason he hates it, is because each nation that joins, stops worrying about appeasing him, because membership significantly reduces fear of russias military power, and hence his influence over that country.

      What he is scared of, is progressive western culture. Gay people and trans rights movements give him the heebie jeebies and he doesn’t like that stuff coming closer and closer to russias borders, where imaginary lines on the map do nothing to stop the spread and intermingling of culture and ideology.

      Russia isn’t at war to survive. It’s at war because Putin is mentally stuck in the 80s and can’t handle social progress.

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        History is irrelevant

        says the guy from the country with the nazi past (and present)

        What he is scared of, is progressive western culture. Gay people and trans rights movements give him the heebie jeebies and he doesn’t like that stuff coming closer and closer to russias borders, where imaginary lines on the map do nothing to stop the spread and intermingling of culture and ideology.
        That is the same reasoning the israeli fascist use as an exuse about the bad muslims they genocide, interesting.

        And this even more:
        https://apimagesblog.com/blog/2018/11/12/training-kids-to-kill-at-ukrainian-nationalist-camp

        It is important, he says, to inculcate the nation’s youth with nationalist thought, so they can battle Vladimir Putin’s Russia as well as “challenges that could completely destroy” European civilization. Among those challenges: LGBT rights, which lecturers denounce as a sign of Western decadence.
        “You need to be aware of all that,” said instructor Ruslan Andreiko. “All those gender things, all those perversions of modern Bolsheviks who have come to power in Europe and now try to make all those LGBT things like gay pride parades part of the education system.”

        These thugs beat up a woman’s rights march, imagine what they would do to LGBT.
        As if you genuinely care and not something to validate your racism, Russophobia and aggressive fanaticism.
        Had enough of you.
        You can join Azov, Sich, Tornado, Safari or any of the many fascist batallions, you will find likeminded people there.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        NATO is a millitary alliance of the most Imperialist countries on the planet. The purpose of NATO is to pressure geopolitical adversaries into opening up their economies for foreign investment and purchase, and crush anyone who would go against that gangsterism millitarily. Mob security is not defensive, it defends extractive processes.

        NATO is frequently guilty of offensive movements as well, such as Operation Gladio. Really, NATO was formed to oppose Communism, which is why some of their earlier leaders, such as Adolf Heusinger, were literal Nazis who served in the Third Reich.

        The reason NATO has increased millitarization along Russia’s border is to threaten it into opening up its Capital markets to be plundered by foreign Imperialists, just like what happened after the dissolution of the USSR before the Nationalists took power. Russia is no saint, it isn’t some grand hero, but without NATO trying to get Russia to open back up again the invasion likely never would have happened, as war is expensive in lives and materiel.

        Trying to make this about “culture,” when Ukraine is also extremely socially conservative, makes no sense. If this was about opposing LGBTQ rights and “western values,” Russia would have invaded other countries with more progressive social values. Instead, they invaded Ukraine with the express goal of demillitarizing it, and extended a peace deal early in the war on the conditions of Ukrainian neutrality with respect to NATO and demillitarization. The UK and US stepped in to deny this, as they wished to milk Ukraine dry with brutal IMF loans so that they can profit off of the suffering of Ukrainians.