Black hole cosmology suggests that the Milky Way and every other observable galaxy in our universe is contained within a black hole that formed in another, much larger, universe.
The theory challenges many fundamental models of the cosmos, including the idea that the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe.
It also provides the possibility that black holes within our own universe may be the boundaries to other universes, opening up a potential scenario for a multiverse.
Mine blown 🤯
I honestly appreciate that we don’t understand the universe. Theories keep evolving and that’s what science should look like. If we can’t question “established” scientific theories, we have abandoned the scientific method. Strong theories hold up. Like the theory of gravity, although even there I’m not convinced we have a complete understanding. Good answers are good, but who knows what we might be capable of if we keep pushing for more.
Yes, it’s called Trump and it’s sucking up fucking everything.
Can’t i just have one article that doesn’t mention that fat sack of shit. This is actually really interesting physics, and you had to go and ruin it.
The real Trump Derangement Syndrome is when you can’t stop posting his name even on completely unrelated topics.
Yo, can we get like 5 minutes to revel in the non-political, world-changing good news?
To quote a wise man:
Back in the days we just make yo mama jokes.
Yo mama’s so fat, her mass affects the spin of galaxies! Or her mass is affecting our perception of those galaxies. We’re not sure yet.
i know trump and elon are big topic now, but didn’t expect to show up in an astronomy post
Using data from Nasa’s James Webb Space Telescope, researchers at Kansas State University in the US discovered that the majority of the galaxies were rotating in the same direction.
This goes against previous assumptions that our universe is isotropic, meaning there should be an equal number of galaxies rotating clockwise and anticlockwise.
“It is not clear what causes this to happen, but there are two primary possible explanations,” said Lior Shamir, associate professor of computer science at Kansas State University.
“One explanation is that the universe was born rotating. That explanation agrees with theories such as black hole cosmology, which postulates that the entire universe is the interior of a black hole.”
yeah it’s just the most headline grabbing possibility
My theory is that the Big Bang is local and there have been other big bangs outside our observable universe and our entire existence is inside a multi trillion year expanding and contracting space foam
Big Crunch and white holes and all that
I have always wondered about this and it’s always been the question I would want to ask neil degrasse tyson about if I ever met him… I never realized there was a term for it or even other people believed it…
My other crazy theory is that we are always in a state of jumping between realities… As a state of self preservation… We exist in the reality where we keep living. With the possibility of realities being infinite and the possibility of a subset of those infinites being basically the same as the one you’re in…
Who knows maybe it’s just a reassuring way to be happy knowing that one day your actually going to die instead of all those times you have felt like you have almost died being truly a time you have died…
Our consciousness continuously transferring between realities to stay alive is kinda crazy ngl
What’s the big question you’ve always wondered about though? It’s not clear from your comment
If the whole observable galaxy is inside a black hole…
Black holes get bigger and expand as does our observable universe… I always wondered if the two were connected…
But from reading everything in this post it seems like the theory doesn’t hold up… But also who knows…
I like my other theory better anyways.
@[email protected] (moderator), can we have a rule about clickbait headlines.
I’m kind of getting sick of these pop-science articles that exagerrate everything times 1000x in the headline. In any other discipline that kind of hyperbole would be considered a lie.
Dude, after reading the paper from start to finish, this whole thing seems off.
- The guy’s an associate professor of computer science and has no degree in cosmology, but he’s talking about cosmological implications of these findings.
- Every single paper cited supporting his argument was written by himself (in exactly one case, it was written by himself and a coauthor). In total, Shamir cites himself 106 times.
- Numerous other papers by numerous other authors (some mentioned by this paper in attempted rebuttals) find this not to be the case.
- It violates the cosmological principle used by major and highly successtul models of the universe.
- The way he performed this analysis was an algorithm which he wrote. When he cites papers that have used this algorithm, he only cites himself, indicating no other academic in the world has thought this algorithm is seriously useful for this application.
- When speaking to The Independent (which is of really middling quality), instead of speaking about the data itself and how he arrived at it, he (again with no formal background in cosmology) starts talking about the most clickbaity possible implications of this data.
It’s totally possible Shamir is right and that there really is a massive bias. That would be extremely cool. However, he’s published numerous papers on this over the last decade yet still seems to be the only one who agrees with it. Which to me is highly unusual.
This guy reads.
Can I just say your thoroughness here is a real fucking impressive skill. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for breaking that down, I wish newspapers or even BBC News did this. They do now have BBC Verify but its never super clear of their findings, certainly not in the format that you’ve just used. Perhaps theirs should be called BBC Balance. The only thing I would say with regard to your first point is that I’m not against the idea that any individual could make a breakthrough. At least with regard to theory.
We already know that throughout the history of cosmology, whole experts have been wrong when a new discovery is made. E.g. Highly likely that not everyone believed that Earth was centre of the Universe (like the earlier science communities claimed). The issue with this guy is he’s using his own biased ideas and data and some people believe whatever is printed in a newspaper must be right.
Only silver lining is at least there clickbaity headlines give the public something more substantial to think about for 60 seconds instead of what the next Kardashian is up to…
Kurtzegat (spelling debatable) did a video on this almost a year ago in case anyone wants a 10ish minute simplified version
Mine blown 🤯
Why aren’t we all spaghetti, then?
All the matter in our universe was sucked into the black hole and then coalesced into all the forms that exist now. (Presumably, and if this hypothesis is true)
Whoa.
If this is true, this makes sense to me. Right or wrong, I’ve never been comfortable with the idea of infinite, endless space. Like God just existing for all time, never having a start or a stop is a cheap way of admitting we just don’t know, and may never know. Why does “God” and the universe get to be treated differently than everything else? Things come from other things.
I digress. I have often daydreamed that our universe only appears infinite because it’s actually a sphere or a bubble, and what we see as infinite is merely a reflection of our finite space like an infinity mirror would look.
But those ideas are just that: daydreams. If anything, I hope that the scientific and academic communities can keep open minds and not dismiss these radical ideas because it contradicts their religious fervor.
God was created by man. Change my mind.
“God” is what people use to explain the unexplainable. Change my mind.
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It is an observation consistent with black hope cosmology, but other explanations are possible too, so nobody is claiming it’s proof
… black hope …
Thanks Obama
Some of the findings match a pre-existing pipe dream but this boring alternative is pretty neat too:
The latest findings do not provide definitive proof of black hole cosmology, with more evidence required to fully understand the implications.
Shamir noted that an alternative explanation for why most of the galaxies in the study rotate clockwise is that the Milky Way’s rotational velocity is having an impact on the measurements.
“If that is indeed the case, we will need to re-calibrate our distance measurements for the deep universe,” said Shamir.
"The re-calibration of distance measurements can also explain several other unsolved questions in cosmology such as the differences in the expansion rates of the universe and the large galaxies that according to the existing distance measurements are expected to be older than the universe itself.”
That alternative idea seems like an Occam’s Razor type explanation. I like it.
It’s funny how often surprising results are just “ah shoot my bad. Tool is busted”
The research was published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, in a study titled ‘The distribution of galaxy rotation in JWST Advanced Deep Extragalactic Survey’.
Do you have a link to that research?
That why our timeline seems to keep radically changing?
I’ve kinda thought that were some n-dimension universe getting sucked into an n-dimension black hole, and what happens as that universe crosses the event horizon is the big bang, the arrow of time. And all of the matter and forces that have them appearing to interact is just some beautiful n-dimension spaghettification.
The universe isn’t expanding; all mafter within it is shrinking, being crushed. all matter appears to be accelerating further and further away because, well, it is. From our perspective.
Think of our whole universe as the most epic allegory of the cave possible.
I’ll go back to ripping my bong now.
If this is true, do you think time exists outside the outer black hole? In the least, I might imagine it’s moving very differently than our interior universe.
Sooooo the expanse was right?
the idea that the Big Bang was the beginning of the universe
I always thought this was the consensus, but turns out, it was just as far back as we can go where physics as we know it work. Not everyone claimed that nothing existed before.
nothing existed before
Thing is that there’s no “before”, because time itself started with the big bang. The questions to ask are: is there anything other than our universe, and does that even matter? If nothing can get in or out of our universe, then there’s no way to prove the existence of anything outside of it and there’s zero impact one way or another.
“Thing is that there’s no “before”, because time itself started with the big bang.”
Good to know modern science is catching up to fourth century theology:
“There was therefore never any time when you had not made anything, because you made time itself.”
Saint Augustine posited in “Confessions” that before the Universe was created there was no time. Also, that the Universe was not made in any “place” because no place existed before the Universe existed(space is also created with the Universe).
For exact argumentation you can refer to the text, I suppose(chapter XI). I just think it is fascinating that conceptual tools and concepts developed by theologians and philosophers more than 1500 years ago are still incredibly useful.
Time as we know it started. That doesn’t mean time as we don’t know it wasn’t around.
The Frensh-German TV-Channel Arte published a Documentary about the theorem, that we are probably living in a black hole. According to them its based on the work of Nikodem Poplawski (mathematician and physicist). It was a kinda nice theory and seemed appealing. But Im no scientist and I have no idea about higher Math and Physics. Sadly, on the German Arte-TV-Site the video is not avaible anymore. (According to German Law public-TV-Channels arent allowed to keep their Videos up online unlimited) https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/101940-002-A/leben-wir-in-einem-schwarzen-loch/
But I assume there are other sources, probably even in other languages.
Bruh I’m just trying to get through the workday I don’t need this on my mind!
Black hole cosmology suggests that the Milky Way and every other observable galaxy in our universe is contained within a black hole that formed in another, much larger, universe.
Forgive my dumb question. Why would we see the universe as expanding then?
Since
Black holes are incredibly dense objects where immense gravity crushes matter into an infinitesimally small point called a singularity
There’s debate on the existence of singularities and certain shapes of the universe can give the impression of accelerating expansion
Well, they still have a mass (and some form of “size”) iirc, that can expand as they absorb things
