• technohippie@slrpnk.net
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    30 days ago

    There are already 8 billion humans, countries have destroyed 80-90% of their forests to put plantations to feed animals to feed ourselves and our children while we waste a big chunk of it. Not to talk about the tons of rubbish we create in the process and a pollution that may already doomed us.

    And we want more and more. When will be enough? At 20 billion? Or do we make infinite children? Maybe actually stopping having children before it’s too late is the essential for the survival of our species.

    And for the continued functioned of society and the economy? Yeah you are right here. But again when will be enough? At 20 billion? Or do we make infinite children for infinite continuation of the economy? The economy is slowly collapsing already.

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      30 days ago

      Overpopulation is not the cause of global collapse. That way of thinking always leads to the poor people getting blamed for even existing. We can sustain more people. What we can’t sustain is our wasteful Western materialistic way of life. Let’s start by eliminating industrial scale cattle farming.

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        30 days ago

        Self-cherishing attitude is the cause of all our problems not just global collapse.

        Industrial scale cattle farming is a must to support the current demand and it exists because we can’t care enough to renounce the pleasure of eating meat. It is always me, me and me. And the problem is always because the other, the other and the other.

        Of course we can sustain a lot of more of people, but not with our mindset.

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          30 days ago

          Right, so then don’t reduce population, but consumption. Blaming people will lead to the worst outcomes. Who are the ones who should stop existing? Can’t you see how that way of thinking is promoting fascism, genocide?

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            29 days ago

            You can’t stop existing if you never existed. It’s not promoting genocide. It’s promoting not reproducing when there’s already plenty.

            In a roundabout way, that’s a part of lower consumption. Everyone is a consumer. And more babies = more consumers = more consumption. It’s a conscious choice people make that increases consumption.

            Don’t kill the cows that already exist. Stop killing them, and stop breeding them. Sustain the ones who are already here, and stop making more than we can easily sustain.