no. my point is that the world we live in now is the one you are describing. if rich people are the only ones able to afford litigation to support their copyright, then it might as well only exist for them. they do own everything, with the way things currently work.
the solution is, yes, crazily enough not attaching an arbitrary monetary value to information that is fundamentally free to produce and distribute.
you’re brainwashed, man.
why do i have a feeling if i asked you to tell me what hallucinations are in a technical sense i would get a regurgitated answer from google?
being blind to the obvious doesn’t help anyone, man. anyone who has genuinely worked on or even just with these tools knows that they are capable of producing quality outputs. sometimes they mess up, sure, but it also can work 1000000x faster than you can. the energy problem in turn is a valid discussion but this is just being oblivious to the obvious.
why do you guys all mistake the climate of early tech adoption as an indicator of the technology itself being bad? were you not alive for the rise of the internet or something? i think you guys all just hate corporatism, not AI, but for some reason can’t take the logical step to that conclusion.
you’re not going to get anywhere with these people.
i’m fairly certain most people are much too threatened on a fundamental level by these technologies to be rational about it. we can sit here throwing data and studies at them if we want, showing they are objectively wrong but it won’t do anything effectual.
the way i see people like this discussing the technology reminds me a lot of schoolyard behavior. the feelings it inspires in them are too much to discretely express so we get obviously incorrect quips and jabs instead of thoughtful discussion, to the roar of the crowd
so, i don’t necessarily disagree that a lot of AI shit on the market rn is useless, trite bullshit but then again so was almost every tech product between 2000 and now. some people preferred to live their lives like they did before the digital revolution. you don’t really see people claiming the internet is useless anymore, tho, do you?
sure, you believe you can do things better without it. and that might be true. unfortunately, some others believe (correctly) that they can handle a larger cognitive workload using these tools, which is their purpose. regardless of your opinion on AI, anyone well educated enough in the actual industry knows that there is an additive, non-zero nootropic benefit that can be achieved. we would say the same thing about giving someone access to Google on a school test, of course they perform better! except with AI i think there is a lot of emotionally driven thinking causing people to not come to the obvious conclusions here. just because some people can figure out how to make use of these tools in a beneficial manner and you cannot doesn’t mean the tools themselves are bad.
the anti-AI horde always likes to harp about “b-b-b but my 6 fingers” and “it only can write in corpo-speak,” amongst other things. truthfully speaking, the sheer volume of work an AI is capable of doing vastly outweighs the fact that it makes mistakes in negligible proportions. i see these techs derided as “averaging-machines,” people with a straight face seriously saying this as if something that does average on virtually every cognitive task at all times isn’t already handily outcompeting its human counterparts. sitting here performatively acting does nothing to counter the fact that the most significant minds in this field of research can all at least agree that this won’t remain the status quo for long. these technologies are in a position to vastly outpace any human being’s individual economic output, like it or not.
you are in direct competition with these individuals and technology. i, honestly, hope you understand the “pro-AI” sentiment being directed at you is less a commentary on your choice surrounding the matter and more a warning that in the future you are going to be handily outcompeted by those who do choose to use these tools and exploit them to their full benefit. it’s easy to toss stones from the comfort of the present, but, when you’ve been jobless for 5 years because no one hires the “old” kind of worker maybe you will reconsider at least keeping up with the times. i don’t mean that as scorn, truthfully. it’s a fair warning.
this is always how people respond to anti-IP sentiment. i’m actually glad OP was specific enough to not just say copyright and expand his condemnation to IP generally. i agree with the OP that IP is such a brazen violation of nature as to be sinful, and im not really religious.
in what world does your strawman argument here exist? bc it certainly isn’t this one. don’t believe their noble lies that IP and copyright legislation is somehow good for artists. people now, with copyright, are literally “steamrolled” just the same way you suggest in your hypothetical. all those people making fan art and media through no small commitment of their time are forced into a black market because it is literally illegal to draw and sell mickey mouse. but i suppose that isn’t “real” art and doesn’t “deserve” to be protected by the law the same way? dude get your head out of your ass. do you not see how illogical the entire premise is? this is an assault on you and your peers. it’s quite literally fascist at best. and no this isn’t some woke fucking rambling. this is a real tool of oppression used against us that is so well-honed people like yourself beg for the boot.
the other guy pretty clearly meant liberal in a social & political philosophy sense and not a “liberal v conservative” modern american political theater one. i won’t speak for ferrous but i would imagine that’s why you didn’t get a reply of sorts yet. it’s kind of surprising and unsettling the amount of upvotes your comments have relative to each other but then again it seems reading comprehension is a skill more and more left to a select few.
like, anyone from .ml probably means liberal in that sense but in the particular context of this comment he definitely did and i’m confused why you’re getting upvoted when your reply is nonsensical considering liberalism is not diametric to conservative ideology within most frameworks.
sorry not to be a chode but wishy washy symbols like the ambiguity of the word “liberal” in modern discourse is a large part of what has landed us here in the first place.
while i don’t ardently agree with all your rhetoric it makes me feel such a sense of solace to see some of these ideas expressed in the wild.
it’s absolutely confounding how even seemingly rational people begin to emotionally seethe when presented with the fact that shitposting and generally bullying people isn’t activism. seems to be a very human thing.
i think a big part of the issue generally is that people think of their intelligence as some sort of absolute and continuous character trait rather than a discrete aspect of your personality; i.e, the idea someone is a “stupid” or “intelligent” person is of itself, a stupid idea lol. sometimes you’re the biggest brain in the room, sometimes you’re an idiot.
i appreciate your focus on the emotional aspect of it because that is certainly the more pertinent part. imo all humans average around the same intellectual capability, sans extreme outliers. it’s more about how people choose to use what is available to them than an actual lacking of mental capabilities. these people are just as rational as anyone else, it just happens that the vast landscape of knowledge itself is full of many pangs and holes that lead to nowhere; they seem stupid because there exists a seemingly logical perspective that causes them to infinitesimally and continually spin around these holes, like a coin in a make-a-wish donation thing. not sure if i’m conveying my rationale very well but i have found that the stuff in the cracks between ideas like this is often where the calculus of the universe hides in life.
history doesn’t repeat but it sure does rhyme, as once said
no, i definitely do.
copyright is the opposite of freedom of speech. any other interpretation is just bending the truth. what is copyright other than putting a monetary value on data and information as if it were a commodity that can be bought, sold, and owned?
how the fuck is that not directly antithetical to freedom of information? freedom of speech and freedom of information are the same ideas, or at least any true proponent of free speech is a proponent of freedom of information. ig except dense fucking westoids who can’t seem to grasp basic logical concepts.
no, i just think i don’t like dealing with idiots like yourself who’s perogotive is to abscond anything you read that makes you feel any cognitive dissonance.
i have nothing good to say to those who can’t engage in good-faith discussion, like yourself. you’re part of the problem with the world nowadays.
um yes? because it’s the truth? do some research before posting man. even if you were alive back then that doesn’t mean you knew wtf was up everywhere in the country with every demographic.
sure.
greenland is historically and definitely a part of denmark. then again, the sudetenland was definitely a part of bohemia.
the united states is in a position to undertake an imperial conquest. i won’t claim any veracity for how long they might be able to hold on to any gains made, but they can make gains. i see a lot of people who live in places that are in the warpath of the trump party wanting to reject this idea online, sometimes out of ignorance, sometimes out of pride, sometimes for other reasons. the fact of the matter is that what the neofascist movement has been able to wrestle control of is the single largest, deadliest, and most effective military in the history of the earth. this isn’t american nationalism, it’s a rational analysis of the situation. the only other power on earth of any similar degree is china. china has essentially engaged in a neocolonial economic conquest of africa over the course of the 21st century, reasserting historical norms of chinese preeminence over global affairs. do you really think they will be any better than the americans? no. they seek blood and iron as well.
europe is not in a position to defend itself from america right now. i hope europeans realize this and vote in their own best interest to readily establish a pan european army as soon as possible. i know this is a controversial subject over there. but, this is the reality we live in.
the problem with the fascists’ imperialist ideas of conquest is that they are all based on kernels of truth, it’s how they appeal to their base.
attack them there, not in the space of rational discourse in which they are advantaged. they hold no respect for reality or the truth.
why does it matter?
lmfao the fucking 1984 doublespeak shit that lets these fucks edge their way into normalcy shouldn’t be tolerated. he did a roman solute full stop. why is this even something that people entertain debating?
act like they’re the stupid fucking idiots they are so they go crawling back into the depths of hell in shame, where they came from
imagine being a stupid fucking ingrate who is directly responsible for the downfall of democratic ideals?
fuck you asshole
i hate how brainwashed westerners are. will go on a diatribe about the importance of free speech and then rabidly defend copyright as if it isn’t directly contrary to the idea of freedom of information, all in the same breath.
inb4 that’s a description of every reply to this comment.
i mean, i don’t disagree with anything you’ve said except the rhetoric that it is an unchangeable constant.
sure, this is all true. beating the idea that it’s an inescapable reality into american’s heads online sure isn’t going to help change it tho. these people are still people, just like you.
my only disagreement is that unfortunately they’ve succeeded in pushing the overton window so hard that the ratio is actually much more controversial than the comment implies. if only every edgelord here read and seriously considered this person’s reply.
no actually, i’m done sitting and acting like that sort of shit is acceptable, no thanks.
paradox of tolerance demands you completely and decisively shut these fucks down before they takeover your society with their shitty ass rhetoric of hate. i’d rather it begin and end here on a dinky little internet forum than 15 years down the line in another gettysburg. i won’t aid and abet in the breakdown of common norms and decency, as you so kindly suggested.
you work in technology, presumably. so you’re supposedly an engineer of sorts.
what kind of engineer says obviously wrong statements based on their feelings?
i’m willing to provide different sources and discussion if you object to that one for some reason but virtually all facets of research agree current artificial intelligence performance is nothing like what you are suggesting. what you’re claiming just isn’t true and you are spreading misinformation. it’s okay to be scared but it’s not okay to lie.