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    27 days ago

    Thought at first that its a meme about the signal groupchat that was leaked currently and then read its discord and its 1 year old.

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    I would love for my 40k groups five year group chat to be leaked. My theories about Alpharius is valid I tell you.

    Nononono, dont go! We haven’t even gotten to the part with Valdor, and the Emperor yet.

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    I thought this was going to be satire about the Atlantic editor being accidentally included in war room group chats. Lol.

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      derek sounds like a dick.

      What you do in private does not necessarily reflect who you are in public. And who you are in public, does not necessarily reflect who you are in private either.

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        This was not private. This was a group of assholes laughing behind their friends’ backs at their expense. It was secret, but not private.

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          was the entire “secret” group chat dedicated to making fun of people though? That’s the thing we don’t know, it just seems like a fairly active, long running group chat, with a number of distasteful posts made over time.

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            If you have a secret group chat where you make fun of your friends behind their backs, then you’re an awful piece of shit. I don’t care if it’s not solely dedicated to making fun of people. If you do it enough that your friend group ostracizes you when they find out, then you deserve to be ostracized. Why are you defending this behavior? Do you do this?

            • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              bro i make fun of my friends in public. I don’t talk to people unless it’s a group. Simple as.

              If it’s ok for me to be harsh with people in public, i see no reason to stop being harsh with them in private, assuming it meets those boundaries.

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            But makes a very big difference. Talking bad things about someone publicly is not okay, and the whistleblower is doing the right thing. Well, mostly. It’s not really cool that now the private messages are shared with even more people!

            Talking about anything privately is a private discussion and as such, not a huge problem. Sharing someone’s private messages with a group with more than two or three members is already public to an extent.

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        Realistically I don’t think we have enough information to judge fairly. The person is probably minimising what they did, and if that is the case may well have deserved it. But we don’t actually know what was said.

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          that is true, but i think this is a definite “everybody sucks” type of post.

          I’m also not sure that derek needed to leak this either, especially going back like 5 years, that’s pretty unhinged. Even a “yeah i don’t like those guys i joined the group chat and it was 💀” is going to be enough to clue most people in.

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        lmfao what a fucking excuse of a reason. i hope you know i hate you. not hyperbole. i hope everyone else knows i hate you too. like genuinely, and actually; blatantly being a terrible person like you are is a large part of what is wrong with the world and i despise every single one of you chucklefucks that inches us ever further away from common decency, day by day. life isnt some fucking game.

        do you recognize you’re doing olympic level mental gymnastics throughout these comments in order to make the people you identify with in the internet story the good guys or are you just incredibly dense and/or like fucking with people for kicks?

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          I agree with your sentiment, but common decency has never existed. I hope you realize that

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          Gonna share this again.

          This commenter said it best:

          To the people who think what OP did was completely normal and something everyone does, (and I hate to use this phrase) check the “ratio” here. Nobody thinks this is normal. You and OP are in the slim minority spewing vile shit about people in your lives. It’s cruel and childish. You’d be smart to learn from OP’s predicament before you find yourself in the exact same situation with everyone you know hating you because you thought it was perfectly normal to constantly trash talk them behind their back. It’s not normal. Not everyone is doing it. Assholes like OP and apparently yourself are doing it. And it clearly can bite you in the ass. As I said in my initial comment, these kinds of things can have serious real world consequences. So you may wanna wise up and start being a respectable human being ;)

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            my only disagreement is that unfortunately they’ve succeeded in pushing the overton window so hard that the ratio is actually much more controversial than the comment implies. if only every edgelord here read and seriously considered this person’s reply.

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          i despise every single one of you chucklefucks that inches us ever further away from common decency, day by day.

          i hope you know i hate you. not hyperbole. i hope everyone else knows i hate you too. like genuinely, and actually

          Calm down and look in the mirror. You’re part of the problem

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            no actually, i’m done sitting and acting like that sort of shit is acceptable, no thanks.

            paradox of tolerance demands you completely and decisively shut these fucks down before they takeover your society with their shitty ass rhetoric of hate. i’d rather it begin and end here on a dinky little internet forum than 15 years down the line in another gettysburg. i won’t aid and abet in the breakdown of common norms and decency, as you so kindly suggested.

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              Paradox of tolerance demands nothing, it is a concept that suggests some level of intolerance is required to protect overall tolerance. I don’t think it even applies here since those guys weren’t being intolerant, just despicable among themselves.

              Methinks you picked that up as a buzzword to indicate and justify any time you think intolerance is called for, which is unnecessary in this case because they’re just being vile assholes that you can choose to scorn.

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        Good. Don’t be an asshole to your friends behind their backs. That’s trashy behavior, and you deserve to lose your friends if you do it.

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              seriously jesus fucking christ what about this in particular is making it such a good litmus test to root out shitty people? they’re all just immediately, unironically, unabashedly identifying themselves in the comments here, just like that lmfao.

              absolute trash is absolute trash ig.

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      Invasion of privacy, not cool

      If you think someone is shit don’t screenshot a bunch of chats, just leave and tell people you saw stuff you didn’t like

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    If the contents of my friends’ group chat got leaked… people would just think we’re fucking idiots, not terrible people.

    Good work, Derek. Be better, losers in that chat.

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      derek is still a cunt though. If you join and find shit you don’t like the first thing you should do is confront people. Either derek just likes causing people problems (and is a problematic individual) or he is not very bright and thinks that everything people say must be 100% true and serious.

      I would not ever want to be friends with derek, that’s for sure.

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          yeah idk call me schizo all you want but i’m not huge on being friends with someone willing to drop everything to make me look the worst fucking person possible.

          Derek did literally everything possible to cause fallout here, he really didn’t need to go that far.

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          How would you feel if you invited a few people to your home and then found out one of them secretly recorded audio the entire time? That’s the equivalent of screenshotting messages in a small group chat.

          Unless you were literally planning crimes, the actual content of the conversation is irrelevant to the principle.

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            If, in my home me and my friends are sharing sensitive info about past relationships and other actions that can embarrass or hurt people, then exposing that is for the best. I mean where is the limit, if you’re invited to a chat where they’re massively racist and sexist, do you think that deserves to be exposed or do you just keep everyone’s dirty secrets no matter what?

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              idk i’d probably leave, and if anybody ever asked me about i’d say i didn’t like it. If i saw concerning behavior i would probably de-associate from those specific people. Not grenade an entire friend group over it, that’s extra.

              It’s not my place to manage friend group politics.

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            Flip side: how would you feel if you shared your most vulnerable, intimate moments with one trusted person, only to realise that you’ve been recorded, shared around and commented on in a group chat full of acquaintances?

            Can you see how Derek just delivered karmic justice?

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              I’m not saying it’s not awful, but I still think that publicly telling everyone is inappropriate. Derek basically did the same thing as them.

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            Using your same metaphor, if you came to another person’s house and all they did was shit on their family, and then make dark jokes about killing them - is it all fun and games until something bad happens?

            There are lines. You don’t know what Derek saw.

            But apparently it was so bad that a lot of people are really disgusted at the core group.

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              that’s true, but judging by this thread people are also really sensitive about this kind of shit, so it wouldn’t take very much for people to get pissed off like this.

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                Yeah, I’m one of those people. I have this apparently strange sensitivity to people sharing intimate photos of others without their consent or knowledge. Feels very exploitative. I’m just one of those people who doesn’t like to sit back and let people hurt others like that for the lols of a group chat.

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      I think that’s obtuse, comedy has no limits: As long as you don’t act upon uncomfortable / morally reprehensible ideas you joke about, you aren’t any worse or better than if you had never joked about it. I would argue that exposing a bunch of people for what they joke about with no evidence that they’ve actually done something wrong is far worse than joking about offensive subjects. (one has zero negative affects, the other has many)

      (I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)

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        (I must say I disagree completely with that guy sharing messages from his girlfriend- that piece is very weird and a total breach of trust)

        My impression from the original post was that kind of stuff was what drove most of the fallout. Leaked off color memes aren’t going to ruin people’s relationships, but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          but leaked shit talk or breaches of someone else’s privacy will.

          shit talk and leaking messages is pretty bad, but that’s really common these days unfortunately. I wonder how frequently texts like that are shared between female group chats. Depends on the person, and the group, but they are just more connected.

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            Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo. Commonality of occurrence certainly doesn’t make it any less wrongful. I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.

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              i’m not saying it is, but from what i understand women tend to have a more cohesive social group, and tend to talk about things between them a lot more, so it would reason that there is a larger chance of stuff like this breaking out into that conversation.

              Men just don’t really talk about their personal lives all that much. And when they do it’s usually shitposting.

              Speaking ill of someone not present to defend themselves is commonly in bad tastes, imo.

              to be clear, i would generally agree with this, unless it’s understand to be venting/not seriously considered. It might be weird in the latter half, but it’s a lot less rude if it’s an inside joke specifically among a group of people.

              I don’t think it’s a gender specific issue based on the story being about guys doing this.

              and to be fair, if we’re going full gender difference analysis, i think guys are a lot more likely to have a group chat like this, than women, so there’s that.

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        Keep in mind the source of this story. The author has every reason to describe the stuff on their group chat sound tame, so if it sounds bad, it’s probably 3 times worse than that.

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    There’s always two group chats, one for everyone and one for the people you want to talk to. And if you think that doesn’t happen I have some bad news for you.

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    So shitposters were shitposting. Don’t be bitches and act surprised when people are offended. Own that shit. It was meant to offend, that’s what makes it funny. I’ll join their discord and shitpost too. Call me a “bad person” all you want. idgaf.

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        Fuck that. Why do I need to be better? I don’t give 2 shits about virtue signalling. I don’t have to convince the world that I’m a good person, I know my own virtues and I know that I am; so I’m allowed to joke about horrific shit all the fuck I want.

        All of this performative outrage from people is silly. You’re not a bad person just because you like dark humor or shitposting.

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          You’re not a bad person just because you like dark humor or shitposting.

          This is absolutely true.

          Why do I need to be better? I don’t give 2 shits about virtue signalling. I don’t have to convince the world that I’m a good person, I know my own virtues and I know that I am; so I’m allowed to joke about horrific shit all the fuck I want.

          This is the part that makes you a bad person no one wants to be around.

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            This is the part that makes you a bad person no one wants to be around.

            Again. Wrong. Plenty of family and friends, and a whole region of my state who come to me for advice on cnc related shit, so you missed the mark there too.

            Only people who avoid me are well…people like you, who think you need to “display” how good of a person you are. Most normal people understand humor and aren’t perpetually offended. Go touch some grass and meet some people outside for once. The majority of people on Lemmy and Reddit are not what the world would consider ‘normal’.

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              Even if we put aside the poor taste jokes and insults, sharing private conversations like what OP said his friend did is wrong and especially shitty since their purpose was to mock the other person