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  • That is because you are describing the EU as an union of colonizers,

    Not at all. Yes they started with their neighbors. You mentioned a couple of examples, another would be Ireland and the UK. Still, some common things tho between european colonisers was their sense of superiority and their brutal practices towards indigenous peoples and their environment.

    On the one hand, the current refugees are not coming to Europe from old European colonies, but from Russian ones.

    This is not my understanding, for 2 main reasons

    • Practically such a huge amount of the world has been colonised by europeans. Btw check out the maps in the wiki page of the colonial empire.
    • About the Russia thing, I don’t think so. I found these stats that present a different picture about the countries of origin. See our world in data (sort by Refugee by country of origin). If you have some info that changes significantly this picture, please share.

    Edit: I moved around some sentences to make it more coherent. Hopefully.



  • I also believe that migration, refuge status and asylum are very difficult topics but I don’t agree with the framing you make because it seems to me you present the issue as something that came out of the blue.

    For me, the context mainly derives from European colonialism, since this is how global inequalities have been established in the first place. European countries have exhausted the resources from formerly colonised places for their benefit. We also need to examine if this so-called “post-colonial era” has really shifted towards decolonisation or to a neo-colonialism in practice.

    Without using taking into consideration these aspects, I don’t think we can have a meaningful conversation on the topic.

























  • Ok so it looks like they try to shift to the sociocracy model.

    Coincidentally, I have a friend who worked for some years in a company that was trying to shift from a typical hierarchical structure to a co-op with a horizontal decision-making processes, using sociocracy. For them, and to my understanding, it was not going great. They actually kinda kept replicating the typically centralised structure for too long but this time using the “circles” deriving from sociocracy. That said, maybe by now they have managed to move on from this transitional phase, but I don’t know since my friend doesn’t work there anymore. That said, from the conversations we had, I got the understanding that there has been successful approaches in other coops, in the sense that they had achieved consent-based decision-making processes.





  • Do you think that morality is relative to each person’s view point or do you think that moral facts do not exist at all?

    I think that morality is relative to each person and in the same time it is shaped from social and cultural norms.

    In relation to your answer to my question, I came to realise that I don’t think that I will get a satisfactory one, because of our different backgrounds. What I mean is that you talk with philosophical terms to a commoner. For example (and to my understanding) you talk about moral facts as a given term, and for me this notion doesn’t even exist. Don’t get me wrong, good for you!

    Also, taking into consideration that our answers are getting longer and longer, maybe this could be a good exit point. So, I would like to thank you for the time you spent on this conversation, because I enjoy thinking and you gave me food for thought.


  • I was not satisfied by my previous answer, so I thought of deleting it and giving it another try.


    So your suggestion is that we can keep our moral judgments out of practical considerations without espousing the objective truth of moral facts?

    Not at all. I would be extremely hesitant to suggest something on this topic, for all people. In a way, this is the reason why I talked about how I see things on a personal level, specifically.

    About the category error, once more I don’t know the terms you use, so I will answer from what I understand by the way you describe them.

    My question was related to a notion (objective morality), and not a physical object (i.e. a rock). Notions exist - to my understanding - because we use language, so we should be able to define them. An object like a rock, is there even if language is not used. So I don’t see where the category error could be.

    Finally, I will rephrase my 2-part question for clarity, because only half of it got kind of answered:

    Since you claim that morality is objective I would assume that you would be capable of tracing where this objectivity comes from, how it emerged, and how it stays that way. I’m not too sure how to phrase this as a question, but it’s something along those lines.

    Also, if it were objective for all people, I imagine we would all know its content. But, for example, the terms morally good & morally bad even tho they are commonly used in modern languages, they often have different content. So, it seems clear to me that the terms morally good and bad are not objective. So which morality is objective? Please, describe the content of this notion you claim to be objective.


  • I don’t know the term you mentioned so I’ll be talking about the points you made, not the term itself.

    So, I don’t need morality to condemn the human suffering that slavery, female genital mutilation, or genocide creates. I don’t need a moral lens for this, just a practical one – out of solidarity, for freedom, equity, equality etc, for everyone on this planet. This is why it’s easy for me to justify any fight for social justice. These fights are by default systemic so against the status quo. I hope it is clear why I don’t need an objective moral truth.

    I would like to ask you, when you say morality is objective who defines it and what is it?