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Can do the exact same thing with “progressives” that don’t vote.
What are you feeling hurt or something? Pussy bitch.
Pretty sure progressives are doing more important and constructive things than voting for genocide.
By implicitly voting for fascism and genocide? They gotta be tired of winning.
Like what.
Good job. Your non-vote really helped.
Protest votes did not meaningfully impact the election
Its a pathetic excuse to hate fellow poor people
77 million voted for Trump. 75 million votes for Harris. Just under 3 million voted for a third party candidate of some kind. 90 million didn’t vote but were registered to vote. We don’t know the number of potentially eligible but not registered people there are. The US has an estimated 340 million population. An estimated 260 million are adults.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit?
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
For local elections it’s less than a fith.
The protesters were almost all young people 30 and under, which when we look at the numbers, that group didn’t vote any differently than any other election, same as always they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election in any meaningful way.
I would love it if young people voted, but they don’t.
Care to shut the fuck up or do you want to say more stupid shit? I know you won’t tho, keep convincing yourself of reasons to attack your fellow slaves XD
It’s normal in US elections for less than half the population to vote.
they don’t vote in any meaningful capacity, so they didn’t effect the election
You have no argument and you’re too stupid to realize it. You also didn’t even get the statistic correct.
https://www.electproject.org/national-1789-present
Life must be hard for you.
As I said in another thread elsewhere on the same subject a while back:
The Protest Vote Paradox™
As we’ve all read time after time in the months leading up to the election, the Protest Vote™ simply states states that:
“We refuse to vote against a Tyrant-Felon in order to send a clear and concise message that we will not stand for [roll D20 for random popular single issue], and alongside our refusal to vote against the Tyrant-Felon, is a collective hope that the aforementioned clear and concise message- if ignored, is received under unmitigated duress!”
-Cut to Tyrant-Felon’s win, and the aftermath:
Whether observed or not, the behavior of the Protest Voter will attempt to achieve the following:
• Obnoxiously tell everyone: “We told you all what would happen!”
• Onnoxiously claim there is: “No way protest voting could cause trump to win.”As both of these options cannot simultaneously be true in the same reality without breaking important time-space things that we would probably prefer not be broken- we are left with only a few logical conclusions:
- Protest voters have no idea what they’re talking about.
- Protest voters don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.
- Protest voters have somehow learned to defy reality and become exempt from the concept of paradoxes, thus creating an entirely new study of theoretical science, known as Bulletproof Symbiotic Hypocrisy Theory, or BLsHt.
Something, something, something Ted Talk.
This is just a long-winded, inverted version of the aphorism about liberals’ paradoxical view of progressives; they’re a small, niche group, and the Democrats shouldn’t try to appease them because they’ll just alienate mainstream voters by courting this insignificant block of voters. However, progressives are somehow also a large, powerful cabal that can be blamed for every major Democratic loss.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Name one moment in history where abstaining from the bare mimimim to avoid catastrophic consequences results in a net gain.
Name a point where I said abstaining from voting was good. My point wasn’t that protest voting was good. It was that you could make the exact opposite point (with a lot fewer words) using your exact logic. Which means it’s not a good point.
I ask this because you’re trying to make this party thing where I’d title paring [you mean “try paying,” maybe?] attention and reading for context- you’ll see clearly that It’s an ACTION thing.
Again, fine, let’s make it an action thing. If the protest voters were so necessary to Harris’ election, why didn’t she take any actions to win them over? That was incredibly irresponsible of her.
Are you beginning to see how all your arguments can be flipped just as easily to place the blame on the candidate instead of the voters? Do you think maybe that’s because, even though you’ve convinced yourself that what your saying is cold, hard logic, your actually just screaming your opinions at people?
For the record, I voted for Harris out of harm reduction, and I wish she’d won. However, I believe that it is a candidates job to win an election, not the voters job to get them elected. If there was a significant contingent of voters withholding their vote, I think that candidate must have been doing a shitty job.
Interesting that you went to progressives so quickly though. Especially since I never even mentioned the word.
That says a LOT.
Yeah, it says I saw more than 2 minutes of political coverage in 2024, so I knew that Harris wasn’t getting criticism for being too progressive. Grow up.
Progressives could be the largest voting block and most still wouldn’t come out to vote. Why bother trying to gain the vote of a group that has historically low voting. There’s a reason Bernie didn’t win the primary despite massive grass roots movements.
Literally the opposite is true. People on the far-left and far-right are much more likely to vote than people in the middle.
The enemy is both weak and strong. The progressives are too small to pay attention to their requests, but cost millions of votes.
Oh progressives are definitely weak. But numerous. A simple bare minimum vote would have stopped ALL of this from happening.
But you couldn’t even do that. So yeah… weak as fuck if you ask me.
Yup, it was not lost on me that this was essentially Eco’s 8th feature of fascism. Not that the Democrats are fascists; they don’t match most of the other features, especially 6 (I don’t think it’d ever occurred to them to appeal to anyone’s frustrations), but it seems liberals have at least borrowed this rhetorical attack to punch left.
So you’re saying those tiny signs and completely giving in to fascism isnt resistance :0
But don’t you know this is basically like Weimar Germany and you should all vote for the SPD… Wait who helped him get into power?
Uhg. This is why I left Reddit. Whataboutsims and strawmen. Can we talk without an argument being the first thing out of our mouth?
Yes we are at red alert, we need to be organized to fight a coup. “But don’t you know” is the phrasing Russian bots use to get us to argue with each other here??
Are the Russian bots in the room with us now?
Really, nothing pleases me more than seeing your malignant banana republic go to shit.
And you did it all on your own. The fascists and the paranoid delusional fascist lights.
Thank you, from Europe and the world. You won’t be missed.
I was going to upvote, but then your second paragraph erroneously blamed SPD.
The SPD was not in government when Hitler came to power. It was all the conservative parties, including the conservative-centrist coalition partner of the Nazis, the Zentrum party which is the predecessor of the modern CDU, that voted to give Hitler the dictatorial power. Only the SPD opposed that!
Speaking of Zentrum and CDU, their current leader flirted with the far-right by proposing stricter immigration policy that the neo-fascist party, AfD, gleefully wants to pass. And the modern SPD voted to oppose it! Oh how history rhymes and repeats!
Im saying they helped by actively focusing on harming groups left of it and not offering any real resistance to fascism, so yes it is a repeat. Im sure all those nay votes will matter when we’re all in a fascist hell.
Not sure what you mean by “actively focusing on harming groups left of it”. Did you mean that SPD did not want to cooperate with the German communists? The latter is just as violent and corrupt as the Nazis. Also, Thaler, the leader of the German Communist party at the time, thought that if Hitler would be allowed to power, then Hitler could be revealed how incompetent he is as a leader, and then the communists could show the Germans how better they are! And boy, how gravely he miscalculated! The Zentrum party also thought they could puppet Hitler!
Anyhow, the run up to the voting of the enabling act was mired with violence on Nazi side. Nazi thugs prevented the communists from entering to vote, while many SPD member were intimidated from coming in. Those from the SPD that managed to come in all voted nay (94 according to Wikipedia). While the rest of the conservative and right-leaning parties voted yes.
any even remotely law abiding politician(read american “left” wing) is kinda hamstrung with the current state of affairs.
That’s where collaboration with a fundamentally oppressive system gets you.
Voter haven’t really given them any other choice by electing more Republicans than Democrats to the senate every year for over 10 years.
Bernie and AOC seem to be organizing.
it’s a day late, dollar short. or are you ignoring the people being sent to foreign prisons
Well, when the people in charge make abiding by laws means you sit quietly waiting to die, protesting is illegal, dissent is illegal, and even having a negative opinion of them is grounds for being mentally unfit, well there’s not much you can do inside the confines of their laws.
Laws are not inherently moral or just. They will have to be broken, and by many MANY people. As my dad used to say " ‘you can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands’ just leaves you a crazy lone gunman dead in the street" he was just making fun of movies when he said it, but to me it’s a call to organize.
So does Pokémon canonical have Jesus being nailed on the cross? Maybe it was Mew the only son of Arcaues? Would make Mewtwo the Antichrist?
Pre-Porygon episode Pokemon is a fucking trip
I remember there was an episode where someone pulls out an actual gun, meaning Pal World is probably more canon than people realize.
Multiple episodes had guns. There’s the banned Dratini episode of course, but James is literally robbing a store with an MP 40 in Squirtle Squad.
After the Porygon episode, right at the time Ash meets Blaine, TR only seems to carry generic bad-guy bazookas. Pokemon figured out what their identity was gonna be REAL fast.
I’d very much like to hear a mewtwo/arcaues debate on the state of the Pokemon world.
Democrats have also nothing
Really what else can one do besides obstruct and sue hoping to stop the tsunami of chaos that this admin embodies?
He wasn’t obstructing anything; it was just theater.
Oh? And what pray tell would the .ml solution to the situation be that is going to be so effective?
seizing the means of prediction!
anything besides performative theater is good
Such as?
it took me 30 seconds to find these on google; you should try doing the same thing.
Ah, so they should abandon government roles and formal resistance to go throw maltovs in the street…
It’s interesting how when the Democrats are in power they struggle to get legislation across the line, get “outraged” when Republicans stymie their efforts, and eventually agree to cut bills down to the point where they’re achieving a fraction of what they were supposed to.
But when Republicans are in power, Dems seem incapable of putting up any resistance and cry to their voters that if only they just had a few more donation dollars they’d be able to defeat fascism and then turn around and let the Republicans pass whatever awful legislation they want.
when Republicans are in power
That’s when Bernie starts making a hell of a noise and proposing the most progressive bills he knows will never make it.
You would have to be really stupid to fall for this, and there’s a saying for it too but when even one of their presidents can’t even recite that you know they are a lost cause.It only takes a few corrupt Democrats to turn a plain majority into a stalemate.
That was one of the reasons I was excited that Walz was on the ticket. The democrats in MN passed a lot of progressive legislation with a 1 seat majority.
Nailed it. That’s the scheme. Provides plausible deniability, while keeping half of the electorate from seeking options that would hurt the corporate bottom line.
Their opposition is purely performative.
It’s a bit more than performative. It’s pacifying. It manages to convince a lot of people that it does everything in its power so said people shouldn’t feel like there’s anything else to be done but vote again next time.
Ranked choice voting would help big time. But neither party will ever allow it.
They only have one party
Correct on both counts.
Ranked choice voting already exists in several local and state races, most recently DC. It’s mostly blue states, because Democrats tend to allow it. Several Republican states have legislation banning it statewide, but such laws are entirely absent in blue states.
Both sides the same!!! Except no one changes my voting district, because one to many black people moved in!
Imagine living in a balanced voting district that hasn’t changed in years. Where ideas change the outcome, not a congress and a judge distorting public power.
Anyway both sides bad and nothing weird about southern states and their voting districts.
Controlled ops, and Dem leaders are Republicans
I cussed out one of those donation seeker calls. I feel bad about it. It was one of the worst rants I think I’ve ever done. They used my number from the 2020 election to call and ask for money in 2025. Furious.
I’m glad this troll bait crap is barely working, but it’s working a little. Come on guys, don’t be a stooge:
“Once we isolate key people, we look for people we know are in their upstream – people that they read posts from, but who themselves are less influential. We then either start flame wars with bots to derail the conversations that are influencing influential people, or else send off specific tasks for sockpuppets (changing this wording of an idea here; cause an ideological split there; etc).”
The goal is to keep opinions we don’t want fragmented and from coalescing in to a single voice for long enough that the memes we do want can,…
I read the thread you linked. I’m so fucking tired boss.
What do you even do in this situation? The algorithms and propaganda networks are all controlled by fascists and people don’t care. Beyond not caring, they refuse to even protect themselves from being targeted in this way - they do not value privacy nor integrity.
So what do you do? We have to figure something out.
Work to herd the resistance in line. Call out the bots, trolls, and agent provacateurs. Insult them, pile on them. Keep the focus on the true enemy, the Republicans.
Copy and post that article everywhere.
This kind of manipulation makes people more hateful and jaded. That’s bad, but the silver lining is that it can be harnessed to make them dismiss the lies that propagandists are pushing. If people see a slew of downvotes and insults on a post, they’re likely to pile on.
All well and good, we can convince them to tear down the ideas of the propagandists. How do we get them to support a positive, constructive vision of the future, you ask?
We don’t.
Unlike the GOP, Democrat politicians have the advantage of a deep bench of competent administrators. We just need to get them into power and give them time to cook (which, to be clear, Democrats have not had for an entire generation except for a few months in Obama’s first term).
Also, be aware of when these psyop bastards will come out of the woodwork and be prepared for them. I just said a positive thing about Democrats above. That means if this post gets any traction, a bunch of “leftists” will crawl out from their caves and start screeching some bullshit. It’s easier when you’re mentally prepared for it.
This is not what’s happening here. This isn’t about rendering the libs ineffective. This is real people (this one’s from Canada) trying to send the message that the standard American lib approach is ineffective. That the approach desperately needs to change for resistance to really work. And by libs, I and whoever made the meme mean most mainstream Democrat politicians and to a lesser extent voters who believe those politicians are doing everything in their power to resist fascism, despite the evidence to the contrary. There are a few good discussions in this thread on what’s going on and what could and should be happening instead.
That might be what you are trying to do, but I don’t think this meme is trying to accomplish that. All I see is people complaining, but not giving ideas on exactly what they should be doing. Then if the person actually answers or has ideas, it’s usually already being done, they just haven’t heard about it.
People get upset when you say standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything, but standing in a street with a sign won’t do anything.
These guys won’t even do town halls any more. They’re not going to pay attention to paper signs on sticks.
One person standing on the street obviously doesn’t matter much, but it’s about being the change you’d wish to see. Boycotts don’t really work either. Doesn’t mean you should buy a Tesla.
Boycotts are a hell a lot more efficient than fanfare parades though.
Maybe Elrond should have voted against the ring.
Destroy the country to “own the libs”. What a world and they wanted this so they can make memes instead of trying to do anything.
At least we never went socialist.
That will provide me a lot of comfort when the Fascists brutally murder me and my family for our dissent. At least they weren’t filthy socialists that tried to feed, cloth, or house me without condition. What a nightmare hellscape that would have been.
I’m sensing insincerity in this statement.
Just a slight tingle, really.
cory booker is, at the time I’m writing, filibustering the senate and preventing any actions by the fascist-controlled Congress
if he continues for 30,000 hours, the trump administration will be over and he’ll have singlehandedly saved what’s left of democracy. that would be unlikely, but, maybe it wouldn’t be hard for 30000 people to slow down fascism by one hour each. or 2 million people to slow fascism down by a minute.
So how do I step in and filibuster for him?
Because I’m not a memeber of congress and have no power to do anything.
I think we are expecting the representatives we gave all our power to to do something with that power.
i believe in you, i think you can figure out something to slow the fascists by a minute
Yeah people are missing your point and thinking you’re praising Booker’s specific action as the solution rather than what (I think) you’re actually doing, which is praising action in general and encouraging others to recognize and take up whatever actions they can/will in lieu of inaction.
Good on you.
yeah i don’t expect booker to singlehandedly stop trump, i don’t expect anyone to do it alone. but booker has slowed the senate by a day, and the trump administration’s days are numbered (at 1389, probably)
actually, there is a way you could: the senate chaplain gives a prayer every day at the senate and can have a guest chaplain do it. the current chaplain, Barry Black, has served since 2003, so you could ask to give the prayer
There are some limitations to the Filibuster:
- things that don’t require a senate vote don’t get a filibuster
- confirmation hearings for secretaries and judges don’t get a filibuster
- certain types of bill such as budgets, so long as they avoid specifically off limit contents, don’t get a filibuster
Also of note is Trump’s term could get a lot shorter if after the midterm elections the 53 GOP senate seats became closer to 40 and/or if enough GOP were convinced to vote to remove Trump.
Any Democrat is better than Any Republican.
Have they consulted the magic conch shell?
