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The amount of bootlickers I’m starting to see in Nintendo’s YouTube comments is pathetic
Same for AC Shadows. “You don’t have to buy the cosmetics!” Motherfucker every single bit of content should be in a game that you paid full price for.
Its Todd’s fault.
Fucking horse armor.
no it’s the customers. though once we ridiculed Bethesda for horse armor, people now fork over 20, 40, 100 dollars for a fucking skin. I’m sorry is an overwatch skin supposed to be worth a third of a full game? yeah I bet it took two years to develop it.
… You’re right.
People get abaolutely addicted to mtx, and at this point, you’d have to societally treat mtx, and legally regulate mtx like cigarettes, to actually address the problem.
Todd may have… invented the potion, or uncorked the bottle… but way, way too many people just keep gulping it down.
You’ve never noticed before? This ain’t a new argument
The amount of angry gamer nerds is even more pathetic.
They are the equivalent of Disney Adult
Pay to use hardware button that offers 10 FPS pre-skype era fidelity is totally a good thing to show off, and Nintendo has totally never been the only company to notoriously harass, litigate, and shutdown mods, tournaments, homebrew. emulators, fan projects, and literally anyone who so much as so glances at their Intellectual Property.
Utterly delusional
The Nintendo fanboys/girls are the real, true, ‘winners’ of the console wars mindset, the last holdouts.
Almost nobody really gives a shit anymore to tie their personalities to Sony or MSFT… because basically, console exclusives don’t really exist, and almost everything is on PC as well.
But Nintendo? Nope. The company still holds a death grip on their inhouse titles being exclusive to their consoles, and the nostalgia/stolckhom syndrome is apparently the strongest with the Nintendo crowd.
It took almost a decade for people to finally be able to admit that GameFreak is basically incompetent. You could not say that even 5 years ago w/o a deluge of insults and arguments and special pleading.
The cope is strong with these ones, Nintendo would never hurt them without a good reason for doing so.
Exclusives sadly still exist and it bums me out a game is available on Console X but not on Y. Some of those I could buy for my PC, but I prefer playing on my comfy couch instead of the PC in my home office.
Then it becomes spite, and I stop buying the studios games altogether (looking at you, Square Enix)
1: I agree that the remaining exclusives are still annoying, but it is quite a far cry from the 00s and early 10s, where … with some notable exceptions, basically only shovelware corpo IP slop was not console exclusive, and the norm was largely based on picking a console for a its game library as a huge factor, as almost everything super popular/good was exclusive.
2: You… know you can set up some kind of streaming box or other wireless solution from your PC to your living room TV, right?
I used to just carry my rig into the living room and hardwire connect it to my TV for certain occasions… now there are many ways to just do that wirelessly.
I rocked a multi monitor set up that also included the TV in my room for a while as well, all hardwired, would just set up the TV as an optional 3rd monitor to put on movies and lounge on my bed.
1: Ah, I didn’t do any console gaming from around 2009 to 2015, didn’t realize it was that bad
2: Works for some games. I play lots of driving and fast paced games, and the input latency from streaming just plain makes them unplayable.
Ah, true, thats fair, with the input latency.
There may be more effective solutions to that, but that gets complicated fast depending on a lot of technical factors, layout of your home, budget constraints, etc.
BT would work if my PC was in range, then the input would be fast, but still the added image latency makes micro adjustments pain since you see them late, still.
Running a DP cable instead of streaming would fix that, but you’d need a converter to transform into HDMI for the TV.
HDMI over long distance doesn’t work.
That all sounds about right, yeah, a DisplayPort cable would work… but basically yeah, there aren’t many (any?) TVs that have DP … ports, and a long DP cable can be fairly pricey…
A … relatively cheap wireless solution might work if you dropped the resolution down to 2K or 1080, but it sounds like you’re going for 4k?
But Im just spitballing, sounds like you know your setup and have looked into this.
Nintendo titles are on PC. See: emulation.
I mean, yes, but you need a … fairly out of comparable price range to a console, pc, to be able to emulate … most wiiU forward games? depending on specific game, your definition of a playable frame rate?
I was trying to mostly focus on the ‘console wars’ aspect of the whole thing, and how official releases that were console exclusives a decade ago on an Xbox or PS… basically those all just come out on PC a few years later now, though there are a few exceptions to this, I think.
Bringing emulation into the discussion makes the comparison exceptionally complicated, because PCs vary so much, in so many ways, and of course the legal … dark gray area, and how its often considerably more complicated than just plug and play.
sure, but that doesnt even mention the difference in quality and value that the pile of dogshit “pirate game” has compared to the latest innovative mario kart.
latest innovative mario kart.
This is literally the Cars videogame but with Nintetendo IP and Nintendo Proprietary TCP pos p2p online multiplayer.
I used to play that game for free with my friends at the local library 2 decades ago.
unpopular opinion: the quality of Nintendo games are worth the cost of admission, and they know it. there are very few bad nintendo games.
super hype to play the new Mario kart for years like I did with 8
I have played a couple when someone has brought a switch over. They are ok but you can fuck off if you think I would pay £90 on it. Even £30 and I would look at something else.
More likely to get a steam deck instead. There are plenty of incredibly high quality games there that cost so much less. Just don’t buy games on their launch week to avoid the crap. Wait until it’s well reviewed and been out for a while.
Genuine question: How is MarioKart 10 different from MarioKart 9? Or 7? Or 4?
I still haven’t gotten an answer to how BotW innovated open world except for a list of features that were already in other games.
I remeber seeing my lifelong, die hard Nintendo fan brother, play BotW.
After watching for about 30 minutes, I said something like ‘oh neat, its like an open world, version of a Zelda game, with more voice acting, open world item durability mechanics, and Garry’s Mod style physics/build nonsense!’
I meant it in earnest. I did think this was neat, though maybe the item durabilty values or mechanics could have been tweaked a bit, seems like you often spend a bunch of time just re-grinding for good weapons that break too fast, with no straightforward repair mechanic.
But he thought this was entirely an insult.
He rarely played non Nintendo games, hated online multiplayer and never played an open world survival craft game, had never played GMod, and seemed to actually think these were all revolutionary game design concepts.
Meanwhile I’d been a mostly PC gamer since like 2003, played too much GMod, DayZ (back when it was an Arma 2 mod), and had even written some fairly comprehensive game modes (mods, basically?) for GMod, and had… just in general played a much wider variety of games.
When he decided to finally get a gaming laptop, he found Black Mesa when it formally, fully released for $$$, and he entirely did not believe me when I said that I had actually chatted with some of their dev team before, waaaay back when Black Mesa was just an insane dream of a bunch of HL2 adjacent dorks, many of whom talked and argued on ModDB and the old Facepunch forums before Garry nuked them.
… He also did not believe me when I told him I actually met, and took a picture with Ashley Burch at PAX, back when she was just Ash from ‘Hey Ash Watcha Playin?’, waaay before she became the voice of Aloy, and she and her brother did panels at PAX.
Same with Jonathan Coulton, the guy who wrote the ending songs for Portal and Portal 2, which my brother now finally discovered in like … 2022? When he finally got a gaming laptop.
I had the pictures, from a decade ago at that point, but he was so convinced I was lying he wouldn’t even look at them.
Not played it but didn’t it just put them together well? Rather than specifically innovating too much on its own
I can agree on that, but I just don’t think touting that as being a major innovation that changed the face of gaming like many people do is appropriate.
Rs pulled this shit when they raised their pricing for subscription, everyone knows its greed. A fully online game shouldn’t be affected by inflation much
What are “saleries?” Something to do with sales?
Me misspelling salaries.
Celeries. One needs to eat.
Places where saled goods are saled. Like bakeries.
Okay I get this but there’s a big difference in that Nintendo games are generally excellent
It’s like comparing a hot dog made of shit vs actual quality food.
While I am not okay with the game price hike, you’re comparing genuine dog shit to actual good games. It’s like asking why anyone would ever order a steak when they can just go to McDonald’s. Sure they’re both food, but they’re not really comprable.
That said, I am not trying to justify Nintendo’s pricing. They’re asking for too much of a leap (+50%!!!) in too short of a time frame. But this meme is a bad argument.
And Nintendo lawsuits going after grandmas.
Not only that, Ubisoft is actually the only one so far who has spent more money a full legal team to go against anyone who dares to do a honest review of their latest pile of dogshit, namely, ACS, than they spent in the development of the game itself
At least Skull And Bones is a AAAA game smh my head
I’m a big Nintendo apologist. I’ve argued in the past that their consoles are the only ones worth buying over a gaming PC (not including Steamdeck there), and while I have never defend their terrible IP practices, I have been willing to overlook them and continue buying their products. This shit is indefensible. The price hike would be back enough, but killing off physical games is a disgrace. Nintendo fans should be angrier than everyone else, not defending this shit.
I’ve always felt the other way around: If you’re trying to sell me games, make them for PC. I’m not buying a new device just for Mario
I actually like Nintendo’s devices, though. Sony and Microsoft produce basically the same product every generation, but Nintendo usually tries something different. But $80 games with no physical option is fucking disgusting. I’m pretty sure they’ve decided that physical media is a threat to their abusive IP practices, and their going to finally destroy game preservation once and for all. This is the final straw for me; I’ll just pirate anything I want going forward.
Eh, there‘s some truth to either one. Game development is expensive and pricing hasn’t kept up with inflation ($60 in 2010 are almost $90 today). But also, games are ridiculously expensive at full price, especially in todays economy and especially if they’re as badly received as Skull and Bones, while Nintendo games are at the very least usually pretty decent.
I’d recommend voting with your wallet and only buying games on sale or used. Just wait a little. (Or pirate them, if you can live with not supporting the developers at all).
“games are ridiculously expensive at full price”
A board game with paper and plastic pieces can range from 12-45 dollars
People will go spend $20 at the movies for 1 night
Hell I’ll pay 100 if it’s a good game
I have 1200 hours in Overwatch. $60 (free now). I have paid 5 cents per hour to play it. I am completely happy with my purchase even though it’s free now.
If the game isn’t worth it, don’t get it. But to complain about it is ridiculous.
Some N64 games were $50-$60 dollars back in the 90’s
I feel like we are fortunate
Yes, but the difference is that wages have not significantly gone up since then apart from minimum wage in a few states. That is the difference. People are literally poorer because of the massively increased wealth inequality coming from employers shoving down wages while making yearly record profits…
If peoples’ purchasing power is more or less the same, factoring in inflation to game prices would result in a ton of people simply not being able to buy “luxury goods” like video games.
Game dev salaries have increased roughly in line with inflation though, so development time still costs the studio the same as 15 years ago, while AAA game prices are only now starting to surpass the $70 mark with games not generally surpassing the $60 mark until 2020.
It’s a wonder, they haven’t increased to prices any sooner, as much as I‘d like them staying where they were.
And again: if you don’t like the prices, vote with your wallet, buy used or on sale or don’t pay at all.
People really don’t seem to understand that video game prices have not kept up with inflation. It’s why I didn’t bat an eye at spending $70 on Baldur’s Gate 3 despite the original costing like $50. When you account for inflation, it’s actually cheaper.
That said, I avoid Nintendo on principle. Refusing to sell old games so that they can use people who pirate them is ghoulish and inhuman. As long as Gary Bowser is forced to pay them, I never will.
Game companies can get my sympathy when wages begin to keep up with inflation. Otherwise, it belongs to the pirates and emus. You can “it’s not their fault” all the way to “doesn’t matter, it’s still my problem”.
The expandinon ofmarket, competition and the cheaper methods of distribution.
An expanding market and competition don’t change the fact that prices go up when prices go up. I suppose I can grant that it’s cheaper to sell ones and zeros over the internet than it is to ship a bunch of discs to every GameStop. But still, physical manufacturing and distribution make up a small percentage of the price of a game
That’s a terrible argument. Gary was selling their games. Any company was going to go after someone doing such a thing.
Gary was modifying hardware that people owned. That the modifications he was doing allowed for the play of pirated games is not in itself piracy. Besides, there is no fucking way he personally cost them enough money to justify having to pay them 30% of every dollar he makes for the rest of his life.
It’s not that Mario Kart is worth 90, it’s that a lot of these AAA games aren’t worth 60.
Well, and also Mario Kart isn’t worth $90
it’s worth $40 at best imo
Pre switch it was 40$, we saw the sign when SWSH was 60$+ DLC
Look, if I have to pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2, I will pay $80 for Kirby Air Ride 2.
Or just go back and play all the games from the 90’s tag you missed when they first came out.
There is do much retro content, by the time I get to Switch 2 content, it’ll be retro too
Every time I tell myself I am not buying a Switch 2 because the games are too damn expensive and I already own a Legion Go for hand-held gaming, I remember that Kirby Air Riders will exist and I become the angry, arms crossed “WELL, FINE!” guy.
That said, City Trial mode or I riot.
City trial alone is the only thing that might convince me to buy a switch 2 if they have a decent sale on.
Otherwise I’m happy waiting a few years to buy a cheap one second hand.
what about piracy?
I will admit: I’m in this picture.
Game developers have to eat, too, so a (!) price hike at some point was expected, the price for AAA games was set to 60$ before smart phones existed. They only stayed at 60 so long because gaming got much more popular in that time, driving sales. IF (!) this increase would allow developers to pay their employees more and eliminated the crunch culture, I’d have no problem with it.
But we know this is just corporate greed. Pay extra to own your game physically, pay extra to play your old games, join our subscription program. Oh, you’re in Europe and your wages kept up with inflation? Forget the 33%, you can afford a 50% price increase instead.
With the Japanese-only model being the singular exception, you’d think the directed by 3 new faces just so Nintendo could put the blame on them when the thing doesn’t sell well because of the price.
Oh, and Skull and Bones was dog shit, of course everyone hated it’s ludicrous price point.
As you alluded to, the developers will get exactly 0% of the profits from that price hike. Games today are very profitable at $60. The problem is that execs are eating into those profits before pissing the rest down to the developers. There is also a really shitty tech bro culture that many game studios have, decorating their studios with overpriced and expensive tat which should have been spent on employees.
With the more robust tools developers have available now and the reduced need for optimization due to more powerful hardware games should be cheaper to produce, not more expensive. Especially if you use a cartoon art style like most Nintendo games.
You know the tariffs mean the Switch 2 may actually now cost $600, not $450, right?
You gotta pay the club membership fee before you can pay for event attendance.
Oh I know. Would suck to be American right now 😎.
I instead get to pay a converted 98$, 50% more than Xenoblade X or Brothership cost here…
Ah, my American is showing, assumed you were ‘one of us’ lol.
Apologies.
But uh yeah… we are completely fucked lol.
I think a big part of it is that a lot of gaming companies keep wanting to make AAA gaming, but no one wants to pay for AAA gaming.
Mario Kart 8 was already a recycled game from the Wii U and it sold well. After it stopped selling copies, Nintendo sold more DLC with the Booster Course Pass.
Keep consuming and keep the enshitification machine working, you control everything around you with your wallet and your attention.
These companions took ahold of both and now you’re a slave.
A bit of an exaggeration. Your wallet speaks, sure. But I haven’t been to a lot of places in years, some even for decades and they’re still doing just fine. I didn’t buy any Nintendo console from the NES until I got a Wii paying half with a friend.
