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    My experience with random processes: on large scales, things either happen 0 times or many times. So I find the idea that life exists in only one place pretty implausible.

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    By that logic they saw a god. But I’d ask if they need a starship first. Then that would confirm if they were a god.

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    Unsure if relevant, since this is a meme post, but for anyone interested: faith is quite a complex concept. And this silly atheist vs religious conflict is so pointless. It does nothing but elevate some people’s egos and infuriate others.

    Sadly, both sides are heavily uninformed. Most atheists spent at most 3 seconds studying religion, while most religious people never questioned a single thing about their religion. How can you understand somebody and their point of view, if you haven’t even imagined yourself in their shoes, let alone walked in them?

    Short story is: to ‘believe’ in God, or any other religious entity, does not mean ‘to think He exists’. In fact, you can ‘believe’ in any god, while being completely convinced they don’t exist. Fact and faith are fully separate.

    At least some confusion here is intentionally created by religious institutions, like the Catholic Church. Most of what they do goes against the Bible and Jesus’ teachings, but it’s not like they care. Focusing on Christianity here, because that’s what I studied the most (my country is Christian). Same applies to Judaism and Islam. Other religions less, since these three have the biggest, most organized official structures (massive red flag in case it wasn’t obvious).

    Anyway, I invite everyone to read about and learn their so-called enemies’ ways instead of blindly ridiculing them.

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      This makes no sense. Most people when asked about the literal existence of god say they think so. Americans only fell below 50% very recently…again the literal existence of god (the numbers are similar for the Gallup poll on belief in god). You’re drawing a dichotomy that does not exist.

      About half of American adults believe in the actual existence of a spiritual patriarchy and here you are trying to claim belief!=belief in existence. Unless you have something to back it up, I’m calling bs.

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        What you’re saying is completely true, but in no way contradicts what I said. I was referring to the fundamental idea of faith. I never said people adhere to it, and that nobody actually thinks God, or whatever else, exists.

        Obviously, a lot of people do. Just like a lot of people think the Earth is flat or that chocolate milk comes from chocolate cows. A huge number of people are uneducated, have been fed propaganda and manipulated for years. I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain. But doesn’t make faith or religion itself a lie.

        Similarly, there’s quite a few self improvement gurus who make up false ideas about self improvement and feed lies to their many, many followers. But does that make self improvement itself a lie, or a pointless dream?

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          “I don’t think anyone needs any convincing that churches lie to and scam people on a daily basis for personal gain.”

          And yet televangelists exist. Megachurches exist. Churches have been scamming Christs sheep for millennia all for them to be none the wiser.

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      Reading the Bible has made me despise Christianity even more. It’s not the content that upsets me, it’s the brash hypocrisy that Christian Nationalists operate by that upsets me. Too many Christians go directly against Christs teachings. It’s not rocket science either. It’s clear, concise teachings to love your neighbor as thyself… And yet they’ll say oh no that’s taken out of context… Fucking ridiculous. Christ would flip so many Christian tables. That might be what the second coming is tbh. Just flipping these flagrant hypocrites tables.

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      I’d wager most millenial-and-older atheists probably attended mass regularly as kids. Many are probably baptized, confirmed, had communion, etc.

      We just realized it’s all bullshit intended for social control at some point along the way.

      Same kids who stopped saying the pledge in school as soon as they realized they could.

      Zoomer and younger atheists…yeah, they might have not had that experience. Probably because they were brought up by already-atheist (or at least barely-believing, twice-a-year types) gen-x and older millennials.

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        Completely agree. I had the same experiences as a kid. Organized religious institutions always go against the religions they pretend to preach. Religious belief should be a personal choice, not a mass brain washing.

        The Catholic Church requires that Christians indoctrine their children into Christianity since they are born. But this is the Church speaking, not Christianity or Jesus. In fact, the New Testament clearly says that it is perfectly acceptable for the family of a Christian to reject Christianity. The sole fact that they love the part of their family that is Christian, is enough.

        But of course, barely any self-proclaimed Christians have ever opened the Bible, let alone read it. And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.

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          Funny you should mention that.

          My paternal grandparents were very religious, and my dad attended mass regularly as a kid and went to Catholic school.

          However, I don’t think he’s willingly set foot into a church except for funerals since I was born.

          My grandmother would drag me to church several times a week though.

          Didn’t stop my dad from threatening to baptize my kid behind my back when my first kid was a baby. I think it was said in jest, or maybe to troll me…but my oldest is 8 now and neither of my kids have been around my parents unsupervised. Reap what you sow.

          And the Church coveniently doesn’t recommend reading it.

          That’s their own fault. Should’ve left it in Latin. Or Aramaic.

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    Why won’t you get the vaccine? “Because idk what’s in it.” Why did you get Chinese dick and hair pills? “Because I NEED it!”

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    Well I’ve never seen air. Nor oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, the list goes on and on. I’ve never seen Ukraine, but I do believe there is some awful shit going on over there.

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    A lot of Christians will say no to believing in Aliens but because they believe God created humans and gave us the universe.

    Or in a similar vain, because aliens aren’t mentioned in the Bible they don’t think they are real.

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        I’m not at all saying this is how I feel.

        I was raised a Christian and considered myself one until I reached the age of reason. So I have some insight into how they think.

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          It’s funny how a lot of kids learn Santa isn’t real but keep believing in God. Maybe because learning God isn’t real is significantly more painful to the soul so they refuse to consider it.