However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.
AIHorde is moving in the right direction, but we need a system where the people who’s source work is being scraped need to either consent to the use of their artistic labor, through copy left practices. Or they deserve to be compensated through royalties.
In latestage capitalism the only power is that which lies within capitol. That has been stolen by the large AI companies. What you’re proposing through your hypotheticals is closing the barn door after the horses have got out.
That is the kind I’m talking about, so bringing up the systems I’m not talking about is just a strawman.
I’m actively refuting what you’re proposing because not only does it not exist, but it’s currently impossible, due to the nature of the tech it’s based on. This is not a strawman argument, this is a refutation of a naive take that does nothing to push forward the tech in a direction which you yourself would like it to go.
If you want to work towards what your hypotheticals state you could consider contributing to aihorde.net.
My response again is from the viewpoint of someone who is constantly refuting “Why don’t we just…” naval gazing and how trolls and other bad faith actors hide behind that type of language.
When you say, “However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.”, are you referring to Laion-5B?
And others yes. It really depends on where you look and who you ask. I think Laion was the beginning of the end but some people say it was Google in 2010 or so
The closest thing to what you’re discussing is what’s built over at db0
https://aihorde.net/
However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.
AIHorde is moving in the right direction, but we need a system where the people who’s source work is being scraped need to either consent to the use of their artistic labor, through copy left practices. Or they deserve to be compensated through royalties.
In latestage capitalism the only power is that which lies within capitol. That has been stolen by the large AI companies. What you’re proposing through your hypotheticals is closing the barn door after the horses have got out.
I’m actively refuting what you’re proposing because not only does it not exist, but it’s currently impossible, due to the nature of the tech it’s based on. This is not a strawman argument, this is a refutation of a naive take that does nothing to push forward the tech in a direction which you yourself would like it to go.
Sorry to be such a wet blanket. If you’d like to know more about Diffusion models and what they stole here’s a great place to start. https://systemicalternatives.org/2023/06/06/the-controversy-of-ai-art-theft/
If you want to work towards what your hypotheticals state you could consider contributing to aihorde.net.
My response again is from the viewpoint of someone who is constantly refuting “Why don’t we just…” naval gazing and how trolls and other bad faith actors hide behind that type of language.
When you say, “However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.”, are you referring to Laion-5B?
And others yes. It really depends on where you look and who you ask. I think Laion was the beginning of the end but some people say it was Google in 2010 or so
https://www.adweek.com/lostremote/google-set-to-open-image-recognition-technology-via-apis/
Some go even earlier. But I think wholesale theft started around 2020-2021 at scale. Arxiv below for reference.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.08402
Also I really do apologize for my tone earlier. I’ve given all of the beneficial doubt I can really.