• LostXOR@fedia.io
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    4 days ago

    In case anyone’s curious:

    not() # True
    str(not()) # 'True'
    min(str(not())) # 'T'
    ord(min(str(not()))) # 84
    range(ord(min(str(not())))) # range(0, 84)
    sum(range(ord(min(str(not()))))) # 3486
    chr(sum(range(ord(min(str(not())))))) # 'ඞ'
    
    • Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.world
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      4 days ago

      Why does not without a parameter return True? I’m starting to like the fact that I haven’t touched python in a while.

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        4 days ago

        I think it’s because not() is equivalent to not(None), and since None is falsy not(None) returns True.

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          3 days ago

          Are you sure?

          I can’t test it now, but to me it looks like () is an empty tuple. Python behavior is that for logic operations empty set equals to false. Then we apply not to get True. Not having space between not operator and parentheses makes it look like it is a function.

        • Ziglin (it/they)@lemmy.world
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          4 days ago

          Why is literally nothing equivalent to None? Is it because None is the default value of an optional parameter? (If so why oh why is it optional)

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            3 days ago

            Because nothing isn’t something, and something is true. It’s base Boolean logic where everything is either true or false. Null/nothing is false.

            It’s a weird way to think about conditionals, but it makes sense when you use them in real examples. In my case, I use them like this when I need to make sure that a variable has a value. So I can do something like

            If(variable){do things with the variable}else{do stuff when the variable doesn’t exist}

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                3 days ago

                No it’s not, “” (a null/empty string) is the parameter. Not every function needs a parameter to be valid, and negation is one of them. Negating nothing is something, so “not()” = “not(null)” = “not(false)” = “true”

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            4 days ago
            a  = null
            if not a:
               
            

            if not a were null then an if that evaluates that would evaluate it as falsy… also if a would evaluate as falsy :/ that’s far weirder behaviour