Van Hollen and Booker showing how representatives in government should be working for their constituents. I hope their aim is to be as annoying as possible until something good comes of it, but I worry Bukele will just arrest them and further erode the numbers we have in Congress.
Human rights group, prison report.
Honestly, what is he gonna be able to do?
Nothing lol he has no power over anything in El Salvador, he can talk to the president but I’m pretty sure the President has prior comittments in this matter. This is a photo op. Like the filibuster, they’re continuing to virtue signal to voters instead of leading and legislating. This does nothign to convince a handful of republicans to join them in reigning in trumps power. Pure optics. No strategy. I’ve seen headless chickens act more decisively.
Try to do the right thing. That’s something.
I hope he is successful
Imagine 3 more senators do this, would that change things in your eyes? 5? 10? Etc. Even if unsuccessful it puts the pressure on those involved, making them look incompetent whether they ignore it or bend over backwards to justify it. It’s a smart way deal with unethical actors.
What if 5 republican senators just joined with the 50 dems and passed a bunch of laws to prevent this? Do you think that 10 dems going to el salvador and being told “fuck off” is going to save our country or more people from being sent to el salvador? Can’t we have someone else check on the prisons, someone who isn’t incharge of making laws to prevent this from happening? Really just seems like they are beating around the bush of legislating. Lets focus on 1 guy in El Salvador while 330 Million people are fucked at home.
Of course I would prefer if the majority of our political representatives acted ethically. We wouldn’t be in this situation if that was the case. But the Republicans are compromised, effectively useless in this situation and too many dems are passive to a fault (though overall still doing a much better job at working towards progress). This is already against the rights of non-citizens per the Constitution. And a judge ordered them to bring him back and they defied the courts, so what laws would need to be passed to have any actual impact on this (which already occurred in the past anyway)?
Desperate times call for desperate measures, and pushing back against a tyrannical machine will require more than begging Republicans to find their morality and respect the rights of others. And if you don’t think this is important for the rest of the citizens back home, you’re missing the point. When one group’s rights are violated, all of our rights are at risk. I don’t need to be threatened directly to understand the gravity of the situation and support the efforts any representatives are taking to try to resolve this. Others will wait until it directly becomes a problem for them in their personal life, but that latency is one of the critical factors that brought us under the shadow of this new administration in the first place.
Yesterday we find out the senator met with him. Today we find out he’s released from CECOT. Even Fox news was pressuring the AG to admit that they had no proof of any criminal record. This is why I applaud the senator for directly intervening in this mess.
I just need you to think about this. The republican establishment got a bunch of illiterate morons who don’t care about their kids… to invade and take over schoolboards across the country. In a grass root movement. They completely upended educational systems across the country. Fueled by fake news and just enough political guidance to pull it off. I can point to a million things the republicans did in the last 12 years as an opposition party. Dems 0. What the fuck the republicans wrote a whole play book on this shit and no ones going to use it? Why are we not flooding state elections with money and candidates? Why are we not pushing ballot issues in 50 states? Why are we not focusing on election reform in districts, court cases anything. Everything.
I am very aware. I don’t think these are mutually exclusive strategies forward. So focusing on drastic reform in the Dems needs to happen alongside immediately resisting actions from the new admin. I wish it were another way, because inevitably your efforts are diluted. But time is of the essence in this situation, unfortunately.
He’s a US senator, the right thing for him to do would be to draft and pass laws to prevent this, form voting coalitions, you know the job we pay him for. Flying to el Salvador to take a picture with a prisoner after a Maryland congressman just did the same thing?
They are milking this for political points and allowing it to happen.
This is so far from the right thing to do, this is just trying to grasp at some headlines to make you think we’re not already to far gone.
All of them were wrongly deported.
Correct, although I imagine they don’t want to risk the optics of coming to the rescue of everyone only to find out after a court case that at least one of those people were actually guilty, even though you’d have saved hundreds from wrongful imprisonment and stood up for the constitution.
Voters are just too dumb, I guess.
I think 14 (ish) of them were actually charged with a crime, although none of them had a trial, let alone were found guilty and sentenced. And even if they were found guilty of something, I’m pretty sure locking someone up indefinitely in a foreign torture prison/slave labor camp qualifies for the 8th Amendment’s prohibition on “cruel and unusual punishment.”
There is no legal or moral justification for sending even the most hardened convicted criminal there.
Yeah, like I said it’s mostly optics because a reasonable person should know this isn’t ok in general, but the common voter isn’t reasonable. At least that’s how I interpret it. Thanks for bringing up the specific number, too.
There is also the legality of it and if it is treasonous. The one person at least the senators have some saftey nets from the Supreme Court but they still are at risk here.
I mean that would be a win. You can show why due process is important and that justice is served with it.
How is it a loss to use the justice system as it was written to convict someone of a crime?
If Democrats are so worried about messaging that they’ll let innocent people rot in prison and only attempt to save one guy for a “win” that just means they actually don’t care about any of them.
Trafficked*
Deportation, by definition, includes due process
This isn’t deportation, it’s internment
Kidnapping?
It is definitely kidnapping. But it’s more than that. It’s human trafficking and genocide.
Yeeted
He obviously needs to bring armed forces with him and extract the guy and watch El Salvador blink in 1 second
And threaten bukele within an inch of his life. Then end it regardless.
Execute Bukele for crimes against humanity, come back and execute Trump for treason
I have a feeling this will be the first politician to be arrested.
I have a feeling you’re wrong.
Cool.
Absolutely.
Why would you think that? Just because he’s not a white m-ohhhhh right.
Yeah, no, you’re probably right. But they’re going to fuck up enough at some point. Hopefully we’ll be here to make them pay for it, and I like Booker. (yeah yeah miss me with the ‘he voted for Israel’ links, I got it, thanks.)
*By El Salvador and put into an El Salvador prison, for trying to visit a political prisoner.
Many have been arrested in the US and abroad over the years for various reasons.
Meanwhile, in Germany 1934
The lemmy hot takes are getting as bad as hacker news
What is the “hot take”?
Do a helicopter escape, it will work
Why not all of them? Weren’t they all wrongfully deported?
Corey booker gonna be locked up there too
No he won’t.
What about the rest of them?
How about the legislatures stay home and legislate and you can send a fucking staffer or emissary for the photo op. FFS.
Actually do their jobs? No no, we prefer the virtue signaling tyvm
Assuming this guy is still alive at this point.
He was alive this morning when he met with Senator Van Holland.
Who’s been spiking Corey’s drinks? His testosterone is getting too high to measure!
I think I’m starting to love him.
If I were that man I would not want to return to the US. Send him somewhere safe.
His wife and child are American citizens. His life, job and friends are in the US.
It’s not easy for people to give up the people and places they love.
