In the United States, for over a hundred years, the ruling interests tirelessly propagated anticommunism among the populace, until it became more like a religious orthodoxy than a political analysis. During the Cold War, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.
– Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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and Europe has state-owned media and private media owned by huge conglomerates that somehow still act like tiny little defenseless independent journals when – and this is true in any european country – the parent company has essentially bought up the entire news industry.
Like you remember that the EU banned Russian media right? Literally inaccessible if you’re in Europe. You don’t turn on the TV and watch whatever you want from the ground, you watch cable news. Millions of people still do that, turning the TV on at 7PM to watch the news. They give us their version of events, they curate what they want us to see or not see.
Your only choice of truly independent media in the west is either unhinged conspiracy theorists who think “Israel” was a ploy from the knights of malta in the making since the 1700s as foretold on the 1$ bill, right-wing bait engagers who say shit like “women are property” in-between making nonsensical run-on sentences, or communists. It seems pretty clear-cut.
I’d need to dive into their specific funding model, which seems opaque, but if it is government funded then it is the same as all the Chinese networks that Westeen chauvinists label “state-backed” every time they’re mentioned.
They’re not state run. But state funded, yes. That doesn’t have to be inherently bad. I’m more worried about the conflict of interest in commercial spaces.
You’re never going have a perfect risk free situation
State-run and state-funded is an arbitrary distinction. At some point they need to hire people to run the network with limited funds allocated selectively by bureaucrats.
Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How does a person get on the board to dole out funds to BNNVARA? How does a person get hired to run BNNVARA? Who funds the funders? Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How do you become someone choosing to dole out funds to Shenzhen Television? How do you get hired to run a program at Shenzhen Television. The differences are suvtle but ST is more democratically run.
Trough an hr person or manager who works independent from the funders. Those teams then get their own freedom to do research.
In China, the CCP has access to all info, and gets to make decisions for literally every commercial organization in the country. And that’s exactly what happens
Sorry friend but you don’t know anything about China. Shenzhen Television also has HR. And of course it is managers and producers making the hiring decisions in question.
The CCP is involved, in this case, at the city level, with officials establishing themselves through merit and elections.
Yeah it’s really only been going downhill since the yellow vest movement in 2018, it’s getting pretty bad and I can’t imagine what it’s gonna be like after our fascist party gets in power and the police really feels untouchable.
I hope you can visit before that and that you’ll enjoy your stay!
I’ll be around in august for a fun evening. I’m sad to hear fascism is being pushed in France too. We need pushback and a strong reminder of why we fought to stop the nazi’s.
Sad as I am to hear this, thank you for letting me know. I don’t get to hear a lot from France. Even though I’m not far removed from there
Germany has made it illegal to be vocally against Palestinian genocide, and last I heard was considering requiring immigrants to pledge loyalty to pissrael. That’s like a parody of Scary Communist Badguy Country.
There wasn’t much consideration. Part of the citizenship application process includes a statement the applicant has to sign which says something along the lines of “Israel’s existence is part of German national security and it has a right to exist.”
The new government may go even further though, by revoking the German citizenship of dual nationals who are affiliated with “anti-semitic, terrorist, or extremist” groups. No legal definition for those categories is forthcoming.
You have to be hitting that drug pretty hard to not see the irony in your wild accusation about people you don’t understand because the garbage that is the strictly controlled media you consume only allow you to think that way about some people you know nothing about. Gl
The Iranian government has a million times stronger internet filter and news somehow propagates in the middle of a blackout, you somehow think a nation of 1.4 billion people can keep shit under wrap?
Imagine thinking they are one entity with no individual differences. Stop being wh*te for a second and think for yourself. Inshallah we will find a cure for your sickness one day.
Such an announcement doesn’t just go trough the many people working in the chain of information that a government runs. It presents a bigger problem than just a few people in the wrong place.
I understand communication from government institutions can be difficult to comprehend. Fortunately for my personal situation, this is independent from my natural complexion. Hopefully you eventually acquire the necessary capabilities yourself
Eeeh kinda valid take but it varies from European country to European country, some so called European democracies have lower freedom of the press scores than some so called dictatorships, prime examples being Italy and Hungary. Just a month ago the Italian courts have frozen the bank account of an alternative media outlet (VisioneTV), just to quote an example.
Ye it is a bit of a mess in some places. That idea of not being allowed to kick anyone out of the has it’s downsides when it comes to being a perfect example. But in the end those countries are being pushed to do better, which ultimately benefits the citizens there
It will never fail to amaze me how you can prove to an American that all mainstream media is owned by CORPO and they accept that but they can’t rub two brain cells together and extrapolate how CORPO would want to control the narrative.
Hasn’t it been almost a decade since smaller media outlets there all but died out? If you don’t have much other information available for you to consume, you’re not going to learn much or have any 2’s to put 2 and 2 together
the Great Firewall’s intended function is not to restrict Chinese news and media from reaching you, but to keep out those reactionaries who often say “a better example would be europe” to everything they see
That’s not really the network firewall I was referring to, but if having a major competitor is the main thing keeping open-source AI vibrant, stopping all LLMs from having a violent-but-civil western tech bro viewpoint, then bring it on!! We had no good reasoning models to use before, but now you can roll your own with whatever ideology or bias you want, thanks to China.
There is mandatory content moderation. Certain parties that stand to benefit from spreading disinformation call this censorship. And I see how this could be a slippery slope into cencorship.
But as of currently, I don’t see any major censorship going on here. But you should easily be able to prove me wrong: give me a thing I can find on a vpn that I can’t normally.
Who decides what counts as disinformation that should be censored? Most EU governments think they are the arbiters of this, and do so to protect the class interests of the capitalists which are their constituents. The definitions of questionable content change constantly as it’s about defending the status quo, not combatting “fake news.”
Relatively recently Germany has blocked Russian and Iranian media with DNS blockers (even before the start of Russian involvement in the war in Ukraine). Easy enough to circumvent if you know what you’re doing, but most people don’t.
Left leaning media like Junge Welt are on the surveillance list of the German constitutional protection agency, which makes operating normally extremely difficult. Nobody wants to work with them because they don’t want to be put on watch lists as well.
Austria and the UK are detaining journalists for daring to challenge the government narrative. Ukraine banned all non-state-sanctioned media pre-Russian invasion.
Ey, this argument was came up in the eu parlement just bit a go! It’s the slippery slope fallacy by the way. I wish the world was perfect and had no nuance. But in the end their job is to figute out how to do things right.
So that’s your answer in a way I suppose. They decide
You think too simply of the way the world works. There has to be someone protecting information in the news and online. Otherwise bad actors will spread their disinformation and make people believe ridiculous stuff.
That someone that protects has a difficult but important job. That someone is not one person. It’s people delegated by the european parlement.
I can dumb it down a bit more if you need. But it might not be as accurate anymore
China has a pretty tight grip on the news and media people get to see from there. I’d take that with a grain of salt.
A better example would be europe
Someone get the Parenti quote
The quote
– Michael Parenti, Blackshirts And Reds
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and Europe has state-owned media and private media owned by huge conglomerates that somehow still act like tiny little defenseless independent journals when – and this is true in any european country – the parent company has essentially bought up the entire news industry.
Like you remember that the EU banned Russian media right? Literally inaccessible if you’re in Europe. You don’t turn on the TV and watch whatever you want from the ground, you watch cable news. Millions of people still do that, turning the TV on at 7PM to watch the news. They give us their version of events, they curate what they want us to see or not see.
Your only choice of truly independent media in the west is either unhinged conspiracy theorists who think “Israel” was a ploy from the knights of malta in the making since the 1700s as foretold on the 1$ bill, right-wing bait engagers who say shit like “women are property” in-between making nonsensical run-on sentences, or communists. It seems pretty clear-cut.
I don’t know what rock you’re under but I’ve been keeping up with news from Russia no problem. And yes, I’m in europe
You have a way with weasel words, I am truly in awe. Have you considered a career in journalism?
What do you think I’m weaseling? I’m just european, and I’ve got internet. Nothing special here as far as I know
Europe has no independent media of any significance. Only corporate media run for profit and therefore advertizers and CEOs.
bnnvara?
Just the first one that comes to mind, there’s a tonne of 'm. I like their show “boos”
I’d need to dive into their specific funding model, which seems opaque, but if it is government funded then it is the same as all the Chinese networks that Westeen chauvinists label “state-backed” every time they’re mentioned.
They’re not state run. But state funded, yes. That doesn’t have to be inherently bad. I’m more worried about the conflict of interest in commercial spaces.
You’re never going have a perfect risk free situation
State-run and state-funded is an arbitrary distinction. At some point they need to hire people to run the network with limited funds allocated selectively by bureaucrats.
Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How does a person get on the board to dole out funds to BNNVARA? How does a person get hired to run BNNVARA? Who funds the funders? Compare this to Shenzhen Television. How do you become someone choosing to dole out funds to Shenzhen Television? How do you get hired to run a program at Shenzhen Television. The differences are suvtle but ST is more democratically run.
Trough an hr person or manager who works independent from the funders. Those teams then get their own freedom to do research.
In China, the CCP has access to all info, and gets to make decisions for literally every commercial organization in the country. And that’s exactly what happens
Lol, “yeah bro, they’re totally independent from the people who hire them and pay their salary”
Sorry friend but you don’t know anything about China. Shenzhen Television also has HR. And of course it is managers and producers making the hiring decisions in question.
The CCP is involved, in this case, at the city level, with officials establishing themselves through merit and elections.
I can’t talk about all of Europe, but in France the police also kills us. Not at the same rate as the USA, but still.
That’s not good. France has been quite a shit show for the last year. I’ll be visiting regardless tho
Yeah it’s really only been going downhill since the yellow vest movement in 2018, it’s getting pretty bad and I can’t imagine what it’s gonna be like after our fascist party gets in power and the police really feels untouchable.
I hope you can visit before that and that you’ll enjoy your stay!
I’ll be around in august for a fun evening. I’m sad to hear fascism is being pushed in France too. We need pushback and a strong reminder of why we fought to stop the nazi’s.
Sad as I am to hear this, thank you for letting me know. I don’t get to hear a lot from France. Even though I’m not far removed from there
Germany has made it illegal to be vocally against Palestinian genocide, and last I heard was considering requiring immigrants to pledge loyalty to pissrael. That’s like a parody of Scary Communist Badguy Country.
There wasn’t much consideration. Part of the citizenship application process includes a statement the applicant has to sign which says something along the lines of “Israel’s existence is part of German national security and it has a right to exist.”
The new government may go even further though, by revoking the German citizenship of dual nationals who are affiliated with “anti-semitic, terrorist, or extremist” groups. No legal definition for those categories is forthcoming.
You have to be hitting that drug pretty hard to not see the irony in your wild accusation about people you don’t understand because the garbage that is the strictly controlled media you consume only allow you to think that way about some people you know nothing about. Gl
I think you can throw that accusation around all day and get nowhere but confirming yourself
The Iranian government has a million times stronger internet filter and news somehow propagates in the middle of a blackout, you somehow think a nation of 1.4 billion people can keep shit under wrap?
Spend some time thinking it’s free
They recently announced they invented a time machine. China hasn’t been trough a brain drain that bad. In the end, competence matters a lot
What are you even talking about???
what is bro possibly referring to 🙏💔💔💔
And the stupid thing is, they’ve announced it more than once
Imagine thinking they are one entity with no individual differences. Stop being wh*te for a second and think for yourself. Inshallah we will find a cure for your sickness one day.
Such an announcement doesn’t just go trough the many people working in the chain of information that a government runs. It presents a bigger problem than just a few people in the wrong place.
I understand communication from government institutions can be difficult to comprehend. Fortunately for my personal situation, this is independent from my natural complexion. Hopefully you eventually acquire the necessary capabilities yourself
Do you need that monosyllabicly?
Doubling down on crackerdom, I see
Eeeh kinda valid take but it varies from European country to European country, some so called European democracies have lower freedom of the press scores than some so called dictatorships, prime examples being Italy and Hungary. Just a month ago the Italian courts have frozen the bank account of an alternative media outlet (VisioneTV), just to quote an example.
Ye it is a bit of a mess in some places. That idea of not being allowed to kick anyone out of the has it’s downsides when it comes to being a perfect example. But in the end those countries are being pushed to do better, which ultimately benefits the citizens there
I think the degree of control has been greatly exaggerated by a news media apparatus incentivized to demonize its geopolitical rivals.
You might be right. I’m not sure what parties would benefit from that. But I do think it is an ongoing issue
Which is fucking hilarious, when you think about it: we are the ones who have filtered media. They speak from a script approved by the billionaires.
It will never fail to amaze me how you can prove to an American that all mainstream media is owned by CORPO and they accept that but they can’t rub two brain cells together and extrapolate how CORPO would want to control the narrative.
Hasn’t it been almost a decade since smaller media outlets there all but died out? If you don’t have much other information available for you to consume, you’re not going to learn much or have any 2’s to put 2 and 2 together
the Great Firewall’s intended function is not to restrict Chinese news and media from reaching you, but to keep out those reactionaries who often say “a better example would be europe” to everything they see
It does go both ways. Even for super old stuff. One recent example was blatantly obvious when people tried asking deepseek r2 about tiananmen square
That’s not really the network firewall I was referring to, but if having a major competitor is the main thing keeping open-source AI vibrant, stopping all LLMs from having a violent-but-civil western tech bro viewpoint, then bring it on!! We had no good reasoning models to use before, but now you can roll your own with whatever ideology or bias you want, thanks to China.
Make your own? Yours would have to be a bit smaller tho.
The Netherlands is building one too!
Maybe ask it about the June 4th incident.
Westoids man.
“I’m sorry, but I can’t comply with this request”
Ye, your jailbreak worked great
Stop using llms as magic mirrors pls
Contrary to popular belief, those things are not truth machines
It was just an example. Read the convo plz
Lol @ Europe doesn’t have a tight grip on news and media.
And yes I know thay Europe is a lot of countries with varying policies.
Ye that was my point, I may have misunderstood the meme then
What was your point? How did you understand the meme?
My point was that I think it’s hilarous to claim that there isn’t heavy state censorship of media in Europe.
There is mandatory content moderation. Certain parties that stand to benefit from spreading disinformation call this censorship. And I see how this could be a slippery slope into cencorship.
But as of currently, I don’t see any major censorship going on here. But you should easily be able to prove me wrong: give me a thing I can find on a vpn that I can’t normally.
Content moderation where?
Who decides what counts as disinformation that should be censored? Most EU governments think they are the arbiters of this, and do so to protect the class interests of the capitalists which are their constituents. The definitions of questionable content change constantly as it’s about defending the status quo, not combatting “fake news.”
Relatively recently Germany has blocked Russian and Iranian media with DNS blockers (even before the start of Russian involvement in the war in Ukraine). Easy enough to circumvent if you know what you’re doing, but most people don’t.
Left leaning media like Junge Welt are on the surveillance list of the German constitutional protection agency, which makes operating normally extremely difficult. Nobody wants to work with them because they don’t want to be put on watch lists as well.
Austria and the UK are detaining journalists for daring to challenge the government narrative. Ukraine banned all non-state-sanctioned media pre-Russian invasion.
Ey, this argument was came up in the eu parlement just bit a go! It’s the slippery slope fallacy by the way. I wish the world was perfect and had no nuance. But in the end their job is to figute out how to do things right.
So that’s your answer in a way I suppose. They decide
Again I don’t understand what you’re trying to say.
You think too simply of the way the world works. There has to be someone protecting information in the news and online. Otherwise bad actors will spread their disinformation and make people believe ridiculous stuff.
That someone that protects has a difficult but important job. That someone is not one person. It’s people delegated by the european parlement.
I can dumb it down a bit more if you need. But it might not be as accurate anymore
Nah, you’re just brainwashed
Feel free to clarify
No
I figured
Ooh, that’s gotta hurt!