• surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    There’s a big difference between making steel vs knowingly making weapons that are themselves illegal or being used in genocide.

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      knowingly making weapons that are themselves illegal

      Beg pardon

      or being used in genocide.

      Of course, making other materials to support genocide is much more moral.

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        Anyone involved in the production of white phosphorus weapons, cluster bombs, or depleted uranium munitions are knowingly participating in a war crime. Everyone from the assembly line workers to the designers to the executives needs to be locked up.

        Yes, there are other non-weapon items we also need to sanction Israel to prevent access to, such as bulldozers.

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          Anyone involved in the production of white phosphorus weapons, cluster bombs, or depleted uranium munitions are knowingly participating in a war crime. Everyone from the assembly line workers to the designers to the executives needs to be locked up.

          WP is legal for use as an incendiary and smokescreen, cluster bombs are not banned by the US, DU is not illegal by any treaty I’m aware of.

          Yes, there are other non-weapon items we also need to sanction Israel to prevent access to, such as bulldozers.

          Nothing should be going into Israel from any civilized country, if we were actually discussing questions of morality and interaction through one’s labor for internationally trading firms.

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            24 hours ago

            Continuing to sell white phosphorus to those who have openly deployed it against civilians is an act so immoral, we should be rioting to bring these manufacturers in.

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              23 hours ago

              I mean, I agree that selling weapons to war criminals is horrific. But the manufacturers aren’t really at the heart of the problem so much as the US government. There are strict export laws regarding the defense industry. They aren’t exactly jumping to sell WP to Russia (statement may be subject to change considering the Trump administration). They’re acting in accordance with the desires of their biggest customer, the US government, which is currently (and has been for quite some time) supporting war criminals in Israel.

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                11 hours ago

                Ridiculous defense of immoral military contractors, and paired with Russiaphobia instead of mentioning the US allies actually deploying the white phosphorus on civilians. Classic astroturf.

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            24 hours ago

            Yeah, I think they’d argue for DU instead of against it. They’re not using that against people they’re using that against war machines.

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              There was controversy during the Gulf War about DU munitions from 20mm autocannons. 30 years of study has disproven some of the initial scares, but concerns remain about DU dust from such shells possibly being widely dispersed enough to cause health problems (though not radioactivity-related health problems).

              Tank DU munitions are generally regarded as safe anymore, though.

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        OK, I guess we should stop harvesting wheat and making flour because it could possibly be used to support a genocide, but don’t even bother thinking about stopping the manufacture of the bombs being dropped.

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          Or maybe the problem isn’t “Weapons are being produced”, it’s “Authoritarian regimes are being traded with”.