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I only see people cosplaying as anarchists. I never see any of them actually doing shit. Keyboard warriors.
And what do liberals registered as dems do? Hold up signs at scheduled and permitted protests? Lmao that is useless as we’ve seen so far
What about, what about…
Point proven
Anarchists have been an inherently disorganized lot for a long time. It’s one reasons why I tend to hang out with socialists. If you’re helping the workers and/or pushing mutual aid and NOT advocating for a vanguard party, then that’s doing a lot more than many anarchist clubs.
Keyboard warriors might be an improvement, historically speaking.
I reckon it is because anarchism is a really alien idea that would get eyebrows raised if promoted out loud in public. Not least because people are accustomed to the status quo (or that anarchism as an ideology gets a bad rep), but different cultures value different things. Go to Asia and one would observe how obsessed they are with flaunting status symbol and one-upping each other. This is contrary to anarchist belief in egalitarianism and communalism.
Love that this is the standard for Lemmy.
It’s not fair to call them bootlickers.
They are people who may be persuaded to apply a lingual polish to certain footwear if the poll numbers say it might help them lose by less than 5%.
To be a bootlicker would require decisiveness that liberals do not have. Otherwise they wouldn’t be liberals.
Spineless liberals ….
We marched together for the eight hour day though.
The closer I get to middle age the less time I got
Let’s MOVE PEOPLE HORIZONTAL ORGANIZATION OR DEATH
No time for punctuation get rid of that apostrophe you poser
Liberals are the adults in the room trying to keep the conservatives from killing anyone they don’t like and the progressives from killing themselves or each other.
Don’t forget about making complex decisions about difficult moral quandaries such as whether or not to commit genocide. It’s a real doozy. Is genocide good or bad? Or is it very complicated and is there maybe a middle ground such as 50% genocide? I’m glad liberals are here to reassure me that you cannot just label genocide a good or bad thing and that you can’t make rash moral judgements on whether killing tens of thousands of children is a bad thing. Thanks liberals!
I’m not a single issue voter no matter how morally complex the situation is.
Is the world in a better state now?
How about the country?
How about your life?
Yes, it’s all very complex and whether or not to commit a genocide depends on many factors.
Unironically yes.
Uhh, what now?
He’s unironically a Harris supporter. Like not ‘shes better than Trump,’ but ‘shes a good candidate for president.’
There’s no value in engaging with that rightwing genocide fan.
I wouldn’t call myself a fan of hers but I think during the last election she was the best choice.
But the tankies are the genocide apologists, somehow
I find the term ‘tankie’ is rude to tanks.
Liberals lost the farm betting there were enough people who felt strongly enough about nothing fundamentally changing to outnumber everyone else. You could only look at that gamble charitably if you thought it would win them the election against a fascist, but turns out it didn’t. Now there’s no charity left for them to hide behind.
They collaborated in a genocide for nothing - that’s on them.
Liberals are the true enlightened centrists here of course.
Where are these progressives that are trying to kill each other?
Same place as the ones building an effective party or have a seat in government I guess.
Nice moving the goalposts. I assume you’re from the US, where is your effective liberal party? That has a seat in federal government that is able to effect any legislative change?
Leftists, especially social democrats, but even socialists have been in government and have passed legislation that created systems like universal healthcare, unemployment insurance, family allowances, pensions, maternity leave. Just not in the US. The reason you don’t have all that is because you spend more time fighting against progressives than doing anything else.
And gloating as a liberal that “well, progressives just can’t get into government” after making such a shitshow of governance and campaigning that you got Trump elected twice is ghastly.
They say never meet your heroes and they’re right.
I never thought SMCF would be spineless.
Idk what made you think they were radical
This is more about who you’re choosing as heroes.
I would love to see progressives start a party or take over the DNC but that would require them to do something besides bitch about democrats.
Progressives have been doing the most out of any political bloc, and certainly more than establishment Democrats. If the DNC leadership weren’t acting as a barrier to getting anything done then progressives wouldn’t have to split their time and efforts between fighting them and fighting the fascists.
If you think that the only thing progressives have been doing is “bitching” about Democrats you need to pull your head out of your ass (or perhaps Chuck Schumer’s) and look at reality.
MAGA took over the GOP and progressives can’t take over the DNC?
Liberals haven’t been as easy to radicalize. Establishment dems had strong support and to a lesser degree still do. When MAGA took over the GOP the establishment Republicans were the least popular they had ever been.
The establishment Republicans were often behind it. Just look at the leadup to the 2009 Tax Day protests:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090414225410/http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2228277/posts
At the Atlanta State Capitol, you got Sean Hannity. In New York city, Newt Gingrich. San Antonio, TX had Glenn Beck. Many of the others listed were right wing talk radio personalities at the time.
The Tea Party liked to pretend it was grassroots, but you look at that speaker list and it’s obviously astroturfing. This was basically day one for the movement, and they somehow have all these high level people. They would go on to get rid of the few moderate Republicans around and called them “establishment”, but Gingrich is as establishment GOP as they come.
The right has long courted its wingnut base for ideas and put a plan into action to put those ideas into legislation or court precedent. Even when they’ve had a small or non-existent majority in Congress. Democrats are not nearly as interested in doing that. They know their base is clamoring for proper government funded healthcare, but haven’t done a thing to help that along in over a decade.
Fascists will always be able to get the establishment on board while anti-capitalists and progressives will always be on their own. Anti-capitalists and progressives threaten their wealth and privilege while fascists seek to preserve it. That’s why we’re still stuck tying our laces while fascists are halfway down the street.
All I see are excuses.
They were able to make a change without complaining.
Not excusing, just explaining. What are you doing to make a change? All I hear from you is complaining.
That’s the game plan…
When?
Right now. Every time a seat comes up. That’s what the whole point of the “fight against oligarchy” tour, as well as phone campaigns and so much more
We organize a voting block, and threaten incumbents. We primary seats of collaborators, run independent if we have to. We flip as many red seats as we can, threaten to replace Democrats who don’t get with the game plan, and form a faction that can’t be ignored
And it is working, there’s obviously resistance but we have even liberals breaking from the party line. A lot of it is performative, but they’re signalling they want to make power plays
Be the change.
Luigi strain?
Idk I feel like liberals are responsible for enabling people like trump by always trying to maintain the status quo of capitalist growth and the illusion that access to marketplaces = rights. In the case of women, of lgbtq folks, of brown people, etc. I feel like they are half the whole problem. They are also in service to capital, and perpetuate the myth that you can serve your community with integrity while also taking in loads of cash from large organization
I’d say liberals are less responsible for Trump than the people who voted for him or decided to not vote.
I do know women, LGBTQ folks and people of visible minorities were getting better treatment until Trump and the GOP stepped it back twice rather severely.
While I’m not against McCarthyism-Lennonism I don’t see it working on a large scale.
Those are fair viewpoints. I’m no marxist-leninist. But I will say, capitalism doesn’t work on large scale either. So why keep it around?
Edit: in other words I think what you say is accurate but doesn’t address the problems I brought up about liberals
Because capitalism does work well for many countries but you have to keep the population educated much like you have to vaccinate against diseases.
America stopped doing both effectively a while back and now we’re seeing the consequences.
Agreed but captialism must be strickly counter-balanced with things that empower people, like strong unions, higher taxes on wealth, and so forth.
The thing though is that, capitalism, when followed to the letter, causes this decline in education.
capitalism does work well for many countries
At the expense of others, and usually only for a while.
If every couple of decades you get a right wing faux populist uprising somewhere, then it’s not an abberation of the system. It’s how the system cycles around.
That’s why I used the vaccine analogy because education is supposed to train the population to deal with issue like that before they get elected president.
And yet, here we are. And not just in America. In much of Europe, they’re celebrating being able to keep their right wing faux populist parties at bay. Just the fact that it got to the need to do that means something went wrong.
🎤 “…and you’re a spineless lib-ur-al” 🎶
As a suicide-surviving progressive, you’re not wrong.
