This seems to be a black and white issue for many, always Yes or always No.

As with most thigns I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It’s a spectrum

IMO

A biological man who never underwent puberty and never got the benefits of higher testosterone etc. should be allowed in women’s sports.

But, someone like Usain Bolt, who because of undergoing male puberty has bigger bones than he would have had if he didn’t, should never be allowed to compete in women’s sports.

Where we draw the line, I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s black or white.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    4 days ago

    No, you are not trying to have a conversation, you’re spreading the same bullshit bigotry that’s all over the place already. You can’t hide behind “just asking questions”, or “just having a discussion” when you’re spewing the same bullshit that has gotten people killed and beaten.

    • AnonomousWolf@lemm.eeOPEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Look at the sub you are in.

      I feel the way I do, and I am open to having my mind changed. Getting angry at me and immediately using insults like shut your fucking piehole isn’t going to change my mind, and is against the rules of this sub.

      I would like to have my mind changed, if I’m not allowed to have a conversation about how I feel, how is that going to happen?

      • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        4 days ago

        Horse shit.

        If you wanted your mind changed, you wouldn’t have come back with the man hands drek. You’d have done it exactly as I suggested and looked up the world records of a bunch of sports and seen the absolute tiny amount of them that are held by trans athletes, and the fact that with only unusual outliers, none of those so far outstripped previous records as to be significant in comparison to the standard increase in records over time as the science behind sports medicine optimizes training.

        But, no, you come back with man hands like some lobotomized parrot that’s been forced to watch Rogan.

        If you’re also going to try and hide your bullshit behind community rules, and it is community, not sub because this ain’t fucking reddit, then you aren’t just a bigot you’re a fucking wimp.

        Nah, fuck right off with your fake vomit of bigotry. It’s transparent, it’s obvious, and at this point absurd that you keep trying to pretend that this is anything other than dog whistling jackassery.

          • RedSeries (She/Her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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            4 days ago

            JAQing off is not a discussion. You have your opinion. It’s based off of anecdotes, non-existent or irrelevant statistics, and vibes. If you want an actual discussion about excluding a whole group of people from competing in sports, stop spouting off shit like how big men’s hands are like you’re determining if trans women are Aryan enough to compete with their peers.

            I feel like you’re a stone’s throw away from saying something like “black runners are better because of genes so we should segregate them”.