• grode@lemm.ee
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    Oh yeah, 9/11. The biggest issue of this generation. I imagine millennials in Ukraine be like “war is tough, but thank God 9/11 is over”

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      I don’t know how old you were during 9/11 but it was an awful time to grow up. Out of nowhere you were being bombarded with messages of hate towards of nebulous group of “others”. The country overnight decided that unabashed Islamophobia was in vogue (previously there was still hate but not as outright). Think the Asian hate during covid but ramped up to 11. Your country was changing (at least from a young persons perspective) and all the sudden our allies were not to be trusted (remember freedom fries?). The US became embroiled in what was ostensibly a forever war for no reason.

      It wasn’t the worst thing, but people were going to war again and that was very clear and very scary. The financial crashes probably take the spotlight since they affected a lot more Americans directly and it’s possible that everyone knew someone who lost or had to leave their home, but 9/11 changed the country in unmistakable ways and it was scary to watch and then have to witness the fallout without really having much understanding and certainty no agency. I don’t think the meme is saying all of these things are equally bad. Just pointing out that these were major events and possible inflection points in history that didn’t break in favor of justice.

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        I was in prime conscription age. My father was called up for Vietnam but refused conscription and only the end of the conflict kept him out of jail. I had already applied with selective service as required when I turned 18 and when I saw the second tower get hit, followed by the pentagon, I was certain we were going to be in another conscripted war. Anyone who blows off the impact of 9/11 wasn’t there for it. Anyone who thinks it is history doesn’t realize how many rights we lost on that day that we will never get back doesn’t understand.

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          I couldn’t agree more. Things might have turned out similarly regardless, but there’s a non-zero chance that without it the patriot act, the second bush term, and the following collapse of civil liberties would not have occurred, or at least would have taken more time or a different path. Sometimes you see people say al-Qaeda won that day and though I don’t think anyone really won, sine it and the aftermath were devastating worldwide, they certainly had some of their aims accomplished.

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        The country overnight decided…

        Your country was changing…

        you do realise you’re on the World Wide Web, right? Please stop acting like there’s only one country in the world, and that’s the omnipotent, wonderful USA. That’s what the message you’re replying to refers to: 9/11 was important for the USA, but the world is much bigger.

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          I’m not acting like there’s only one country in the world and nothing in my comment would suggest I think the US was omnipotent and wonderful, unless you think racism and Islamophobia and turning against other countries is somehow wonderful.

          If I see a post that talks about how too many parents are giving their kids tablets, my first thought is not “there are so many places where no one even owns a tablet, stop generalizing”. This is a random meme, not a manifesto on global issues. The term millennial isn’t even used globally and often different countries will have different ideas of what a generation is and what to call it. In South Africa some “millennials” would be part of the “born-free generation”, in Northern Ireland you might call them “Peace Babies”, in china “Post 90s”. Terms from the US might make their way abroad, but “baby boomers” certainly was not a phenomenon in every country. Getting upset that someone is using a US made term in a meme in English on a site where the plurality of the traffic is from the US is a weird choice. I don’t know if Ukrainians consider themselves millennials but it seems like people who did at least some sociology have made the following divisions: the Soviet generation (age 60 years and older), who were 30 years old when the Soviet Union collapsed; second, the transition generation (45–59 years old), who were educated and launched in the Soviet Union; third, the post-Soviet generation (30–44 years old), who were educated in independent Ukraine and have little memory of the USSR; and fourth, the young generation (18–29 years old), who have no memory or experience of the USSR.

          Again, I don’t know what is the most popular term in Ukraine, but it’s clear that generations mean different things to different people and using millennials in a US centric way is pretty standard. It’s not our place to act like we can use our sociology names for social cohorts globally and have that be reasonable. So if anything the use of the term to describe US sentiments (or other countries that feel like their experience aligns closely enough) is a good way to honor other countries and cultures agency and autonomy.

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          You ever been through an airport before and after? That shit alone was so different between, say, 1999 and 2003. The othering certainly took place across a fairly broad swathe of the Western world, and the post-millennium paranoia never let up. 1999 was an amazing year to be alive. There really did seem to be a boundless optimism that, God, if you could’ve bottle it it’d sell like hotcakes

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      ‘Thank goodness we don’t have to wear masks anymore’ meanwhile a bomb drops somewhere in the backdrop…

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    Pretty sure we are in a “unofficial world war 3” considering how there’s like 6 countries at war

    Russia vs Ukraine

    Israel vs Palestine

    India vs Pakistan

    Americans vs America.

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          I was 1-11 in the 80s. Was super aware of nuclear fallout and the Cold War. But my dad had also been gassed in protests against the Vietnam War and used to joke about running toward the blast of the nuclear war ever happened.

          I’m technically the last year of Gen X, but definitely fit more with millennials, and couldn’t drink until the year 2000.

          Op also forgot the dot com bubble which burst when I graduated high school.

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            I’m 1 year older than you and feel the same about fitting with millennials.

            The most non millennial thing about me is really important though. I was already in my career when 9/11 happened. Having my foot in that door was huge.

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              I was still in college. I also went part time for 2 years so I was in school with all millennials when I graduated college. I got a good job after, but just as I qualified for 401k contributions 2007 happened and I got canned when the whole company went under.

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                  This is a pretty gatekeepy take.

                  Generations are about your social cohort and shared experiences, not a calendar.

                  I think late X folks who got the internet in their teen years mostly fit in better with millennials than X. Being able to anonymously talk about anything with people from all over the world while still in your adolescence is something that most Gen X didn’t get, and I think that particular experience is critical for understanding the differences between X and millenial.

                  The boundary is nebulous enough that social scientists even came up with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xennials

                  I was born in 78, and I definitely have a lot of X characteristics, but when I talk to other people my own age about things like the futility of working hard for recognition from society/employers it becomes really clear that I understand millenials a hell of a lot better than most gen X do…

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                  The cutoff is currently 1980, but generations are just weird retrospective categories anyway. They sorta shift a bit as new divisions become noticeable.

                  I can be Gen x if you want, it’s just financially and experientially I’ve lived much more of a millennial’s life.

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      And gen-x has lived through everything listed and more. Boomers even more. Think gen-x gets to retire? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one!

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      Yeah I was going to say, I’m 41 and while I seem more like gen X since I mainly hang around with them and basically grew up around them, I am sadly gen Y.

      On a side note, millennial has such a bad connotation around it I prefer to say gen Y. Most people don’t associate their negative feelings about millennials with the term gen Y and it just makes life easier during the rare occasions that it comes up.

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        I think a lot of it is bullshit. I am 45, early 1980. My mom was 17 when she had me. Her parents were Silent Generation, early 1936 and late 1939. Mom and Dad were cusp boomers born in late 1961. Her parents raised me with my cousins who were all 1970-1975 kids. I have two brothers who are cusp gen Y&Z, born in early 1995 and late 1996.

        I am firmly Gen X in my upbringing and socialization but when my cousins went off to College I got a bunch of Gen Y friends and my experiences changed. I introduced them to The Meat Puppets and Husker Du and they introduced me to Blink 182 and Green Day.

        My little brothers are Gen Z stereotypes raised by a couple of Gen X stereotypes but technically they are Gen Y and Boomers

        My point is the dates don’t mean shit, it’s the environment and the influence. When I talk Generations with people I just tell them I am a Xeinal 1977-1983. It saves me from having to listen to someone tell me I am Gen Y when I have almost nothing in common with Gen Y.

        This long unsolicited rant is over lol

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      Computers were not designed to roll over the year. This would have caused the dates to roll back to 1900 or some day in the past, breaking any logic doing math on dates.

      The programming community made huge efforts to fix this problem, and they did across many sectors.

      The fact that people don’t understand how big of a deal this was is due to the efforts of those that did and were able to correct it.

      The media talking about power outages and nukes launching due to Y2K was standard news hype/fear mongering during a crisis with rather boring (to the layman) causes and fixes.

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        the people problem of any crisis.

        If you did nothing, and it becomes a big problem, everyone riots over why you did nothing about it.

        If you raised awareness, busted ass, and prevented the issue from happening… then everyone riots over how much of a “waste” it all was since nothing happened.

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        Computers were not designed to roll over the year.

        I get that, but I would assume that this only applied to a few old systems? Didn’t programmers in the 80s want to make sure that their code would last for more than 20 years? And people knew Y2K would be a problem so they had plenty of time to fix the issues right?

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          but I would assume that this only applied to a few old systems?

          You might be shocked at how much of our infrastructure ran on those old systems. But thankfully, yes, the rest of your comment is exactly what happened. Programmers knew what was up, and jumped on the problem early enough to avoid any major issues. However, this didn’t stop the media from selling panic for ratings, which became the worst part of the entire Y2K experience. If you’ve ever seen the 1995 movie ‘Strange Days’ with Ralph Fiennes (and a great cast overall), it’s only a slight exaggeration of what the media was hyping for Y2K.

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      It was actually a bit of a big deal. Luckily it got figured out with enough time to fix it before it really effected anything. They were pulling cobalt programmers out of retirement to fix old systems and auditing anything important for years before 2000.

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        cobalt programmers

        I know classify anyone who knows how to program cobol as a cobalt programmer. XD.

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        The panic it caused was the worst part of it, which was largely overblown by the media who kept predicting major crashes that would cause riots.

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          I was 18 in 1999, there wasn’t that much actual panic. At the time people already generally knew the media was overreacting.

          There was a pretty awesome shoe commercial a few minutes after midnight. It had a guy jogging down the street, presumably on Jan 1st, while in the background ATMs are spewing cash, planes are falling out of the sky, traffic lights are flashing randomly, and other chaos. Then it had a tag about new years resolutions. That commercial made it all worth it

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      Because all software at that point was unable to handle the new date format. Imagine if today, all computer systems had widespread issues at the same time, on the same day. The only reason nothing happened is because people did their jobs.

      Hope this helps.

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        Thanks for bringing this up; I hadn’t heard of this issue. I just looked into it and the Year 2038 problem is similar to the Y2K issue, for anyone else curious.

        The year 2038 problem (also known as Y2038, Y2K38, Y2K38 superbug or the Epochalypse) is a time computing problem that leaves some computer systems unable to represent times after 03:14:07 UTC on 19 January 2038.

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    As a Gen Xer who lived through the fall of the Berlin Wall and then all of the rest of this shit, I’m so tired. Y’all millennials even got to miss there Reagan years. Nixon may have started the car, but Reagan is the asshole that shifted it into drive, tossed a brick on the pedal, and let it go off down the mountain.

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      They also missed the stranger danger years. (Which is a huge reason why we got all the helicopter parents now)

      One of the biggest reasons Genx are the invisible generation. So many went missing

      I think that is one tragedy that was exclusively genx. Things like colds and flus killed the generations before but the Genx were just basically getting wiped out as children by adults. It was also the surge of mass murderers on the heels of the vietnam war in which they had used experimental drugs which I’m sure there is a connection

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        Haha nobody directly although my parent has alluded to me being lazy at points but moreso I meant like all those “opinion” pieces and articles talking about these new generations blah blah etcetc

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    The dot-com burst was a recession too.

    Oh, and you are ignoring the entire thing where every currency except the dollar was destroyed in the 90s.

    Also, history ended in 1986. It seems you didn’t get the memo. It would have been typed and nailed into your local clipboard.

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      Also, history ended in 1986.

      Imagine thinking neoliberal Western Democracy was the final and ultimate expression of ideology.

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        They did though! These idiots thought exactly that.

        Downvote away, I’ve been having these conversations for 20+ years. I remember what yall said.

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    Do people not remember that they didn’t have cars until like 1920? Do people not understand that most roads weren’t paved until like the 50s? It’s foolish to think we’re the only generation living through lifetime events. Motherfuckers they were people that went through World War I and World War II. They were veterans of World War 1 that enlisted in World War II. There are people born in the fifties that lived through the computer Revolution. Do people not understand that the internet is only 30 years old?

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    Gen Y had all that plus 6 wars (gross estimate) and an explosion of a nuclear power plant.

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    I still remember watching the news as a child right after the tsunami of 2004 and seeing the death toll rising day by day.

    It is only going to get worse with climate catastrophy barely being addresed. Hunger and water shortage is only going to increasr the frequencies of wars and pandemics. Which will result in more and more extremism.

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    Gen X checking in. Here’s a list of world crises just in my lifetime. This is by no means a comprehensive list:

    1975 - 1990: Lebanese Civil War
    1976: Tangshan earthquake (China) - 242,000+ deaths
    1979 - 1989: Soviet-Afghan War
    1979: Three Mile Island nuclear accident
    1980 - 1988: Iran-Iraq War
    1981 - Present: HIV/AIDS pandemic
    1983 - 1985: Ethiopian famine - 1 million+ deaths
    1984: Bhopal gas disaster (India) - 15,000+ deaths
    1986: Chernobyl nuclear disaster (USSR)
    1987: Black Monday stock market crash
    1989: Exxon Valdez oil spill
    Late 80s - early 90s: Recession 1990 - 1991: Desert Storm
    1991 - 2002: Somali Civil War & famine
    1992 - 1995: Bosnian War & Srebrenica massacre
    1994: Rwandan genocide - 800,000+ deaths
    1999: Columbine High School massacre (the beginning of a trend)
    2000: Y2K
    2000: Recession (Dot Com Bubble, etc)
    2001: 9/11
    Early 2000s: Recession (Fallout from 9/11) 2001 - 2021: Afghanistan War
    2003 - 2011: Iraq War
    2004: Indian Ocean Tsunami - 230,000+ deaths
    2005: Hurricane Katrina - 1,800+ deaths
    2007 - 2008: Global Financial Crisis
    2008 - 2009: Great Recession
    2009: H1N1 swine flu pandemic
    2010: Deepwater Horizon oil spill
    2010: Haiti earthquake - 160,000+ deaths
    2011: Tōhoku Earthquake and Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant Disaster
    2011: Arab Spring uprisings & Syrian Civil War begins
    2014: Ebola outbreak (West Africa) - 11,000+ deaths
    2014: Russian annexation of Crimea
    2015: European migrant crisis
    2017: Hurricane Maria (Puerto Rico) - 3,000+ deaths
    2019 - Present: Covid19
    2020: Australian bushfires - 3 billion animals affected
    2020: George Floyd protests & global BLM movement
    2021: January 6th US Capitol riot
    2022: Russian invasion of Ukraine
    2022: Pakistan floods - 1,700+ deaths, 33 million displaced
    2023: Turkey-Syria earthquakes - 50,000+ deaths
    2023 - Present: Hamas-Israel war and open genocide
    2025: Global Trade War

    The first third of this list took place during the Cold War, when WWIII and nuclear attacks were a real fear. Add in climate change, the discovery of microplastics in everything, the world seemingly embracing Fascism again, and a whole slew of other shit, and it’s no surprise that suicide rates have increased almost 40% over the past 25 years.

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      Guess what? I was born 1995. So my life as a newborn was spent in a shelter. Same again as a 4 year old toddler. Now that’s fate.

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      We didn’t start the fire.
      It was always burning, since the world’s been turning

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      Another one for the list in early 1980 when US tried to start a nuclear war with Russia and that’s when the doomsday clock was born. They told kids ‘just roll under a desk if a bomb drops’

      Yes, a nuclear bomb. The same as the one in Hiroshima.