My end user had three documents.
- In oneDrive, localised to Spanish
- In oneDrive, still in English
- The actual document folder
Guess where they put all the files that I wanted to be put in /documents?
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The fact that it’s opt-out and not opt-in says a lot about windows.
I guess it’s more popular to hate than to learn things…
Sure is, look at all that hate this little guy 🐧 gets for example
Windows® Just Works™
“But I don’t want to learn how to set things up, I just want it to work, now how do I set up this windows pc?”
Yeah, it’s very easy… as long as it’s working, which it is not, at all.
No one should have to do that stupid shit, it should be opt in only. The only reason for this model is to trick idiots into buying a subscription they never wanted or needed.
Yeah, my factory windows install died and refused to boot up, because I spent too long without creating an account or some ransom shit like that…I was sad for a second…then I booted back to Debian as I do every day :))
I’ve never had an account… not sure what weirdness you experienced but I’ve never once been pestered or asked for a login. Infact, the only thing I get is the ‘lets finish setting up windows’ full screen trash, which is just a window and I can alt-f4 to close. It’s been years like that.
But housing it behind a key combination is malicious for the average user.
TRY AGAIN IN THREE DAYS
A reminder that if your data is not backed up in a different physical location, then it is not safe.
And also if you don’t try to restore your backups from time to time, you may actually not have any backups.
Depends on the data, some data would be fine being deleted but not fine being leaked, some the other way around.
Reminder that you should choose where to back up to, not Microsoft.
Agreed, but most people don’t backup at all. Then complain very loudly when they lose everything and blame everyone else other than themselves. Saw it daily fixing people’s phones.
The technically inclined were the worst offenders, they always felt like they knew better than the defaults but they never actually set anything up.
OneDrive sucks but it is better than losing everything because your shit suddenly dies.
All I ever see is most people using (whatever system cloud provider comes with their computer/phone/tablet) and forking over $3, 5, $10, $20 a month to make the “your cloud is full!” alert to go away.
Somewhere in the middle is the way, and in countries like the US, that something in the middle should probably not be a US cloud provider anymore.
To be honest, from experience with the general public selling and supporting phones since the beginning of the smartphone revolution, anything other than the built in option is more complicated than most people can handle. They just get overwhelmed and then do nothing.
Most people are completely willing to ignore that message and will then complain that they lost everything just because they didn’t pay the $1-2 a month upgrade that would have covered their storage needs with that built-in dummy-proof option that requires zero setup.
Agreed, but most people don’t backup at all. Then complain very loudly when they lose everything and blame everyone else other than themselves. Saw it daily fixing people’s phones.
I’d love to back up my phone locally, if there was an option, but AFAIK there isn’t, so I’m stuck. This is a problem with companies forcing you into their cloud ecosystem and removing your ability to bypass it and control things yourself. It’s only getting worse.
I’d love to back up my phone locally, if there was an option, but AFAIK there isn’t, so I’m stuck.
Can you not use Syncthing?
Syncthing could be used to replicate a directory somewhere, but that doesn’t address backing up the phone itself (apps, settings, SMS messages, etc.). Only option I’m aware of is iCloud. You can connect the phone directly to iTunes on a computer and back it up that way, but that only works with a hardwired USB connection and can’t be automated, so it’s a non-starter for a regular backup system. Android probably has more options, I’m referring to iOS specifically here though.
This is one thing I still can’t seem to rid myself of with Windows 10. Is there something in the Windows 10 Pro group policy thing I can do to send OneDrive back to hell from whence it came? I’ve only managed to get my files to save to a directory not controlled by it, however the quick links to media folders still point to the one drive folder even after manually changing them numerous times.
I’m confused. Are you logged in to OneDrive?
I mean, don’t get me wrong, I loathe OneDrive. It’s the flakiest, most unreliable piece of software in MS’s current end-user-focused stable…
…but it still needs you to log in. If you log out from OneDrive it does nothing. It’s a separate login from the Windows login, too, if you’ve used one of those to install Windows.
I genuinely haven’t used Win10 in enough time I don’t recall if it gave you more notifications to re-enable it, but after refusing to log in and taking OneDrive out of my startup tasks I don’t think it’s come up again on any of my Windows devices.
The login is now unskippable and part of the OS setup.
No, you’re thinking about the Microsoft Account login (which still has workarounds but whatever). OneDrive needs to have its own separate login, in case you, like me, have a separate account for work or need to have multiple One Drive accounts or if you have paid One Drive, 365 and whatnot.
So you can absolutely log in to Windows with a MS account and log in to One Drive with your work account… or not log in at all and just not have it running, which is what I do.
I have installed Win11 on a new computer build this year. I promise I’m looking at my system tray and there is zero One Drive icons on it. No One Drive folder in my Windows file explorer, either.
I really doubt you do not have a OneDrive folder at all, since the default My Documents location is
C:\users\<user>\OneDrive\MyDocumentsRegardless. Even if you completely skip the OneDrive shit at install.
Well I’ve never purposely logged into One Drive but my “Documents” and “Pictures” folders’ paths have been inside of an One Drive folder every time since at least win10.
The last time I installed win11 one of the very first things I did was move all the default libraries out of one drive.
During setup before answering any pointless questions by microsoft press press Shift + F10 and type
Start ms-cxh:localonly
Enjoy your offline account.
I don’t even have a login for it, let alone try to use it. What it has done, however, has made itself the standard “My Documents” folder in the user profile. I am not using it for anything, I have that all on a totally separate drive and mostly everything correctly points to the new destination I have for My Documents, My Games, My Videos, etc.
However, I can not get the Quick Links on the left side of an explorer window to stick to the new destination. It keeps reverting back to the OneDrive folder within the user folder so using them just sends me to an empty folder. It is a minor inconvenience, but one that shouldn’t exist.
See, then you fell for a dark pattern, because I refused to use it on first boot and there is no One Drive folder in this brand new computer I’m currently using at all. It isn’t the standard My Documents folder, it doesn’t have a folder at all and the application icon isn’t on my system tray.
That’s why I was asking about the Win10 install being different, but I’ve installed Win 11 twice this year, once in a computer for personal use that currently doesn’t have any One Drive folder at all and one for work where One Drive is logged in to a work account (along with Office 365) and it only syncs that work folder, not the personal folders, photos and whatnot. You can absolutely have a Windows (11, anyway) install with no One Drive synced to anything at all, or even running.
It sucks that Windows designs its install process as a dark pattern-ladden attempt to get you to sign up for crap, but you can reject all of it. Maybe I do it enough I have the habit and I underestimate how hard it is to choose what you actually want. I guess that’s the equivalent to having a working Windows 98 key memorized in the early 2000s.
Can confirm. I have never had W10P bug me about OneDrive. I don’t have, nor will I ever have an account for microshit. Local user only. All files stored locally and have never been promoted to do otherwise.
I love my jobs implementation of onedrive. It copies files from my hardrive, erases the local copy, and then loses the remote version.
Microsoft ate my homework
I died with this hahahahha
Just activate the option to keep a local copy, right click the folder your files are in and choose “keep local copy”
You say this like it makes sense that this functionality isn’t the default. Why the fuck does that make sense to you?!
The idea is that you can have more data online than you can fit on your computer.
It makes sense for SharePoint when there can easily be enough data to cause space problems on employee computers.
It doesn’t really make sense for it to be the default for personal OneDrives though.
It also allows IT depts to deploy thin clients for a fraction of the cost of a full desktop (along with the crap performance for actual multitasking).
You’re the only one who talked about if it makes sense or not, calm down and go for a walk
It is the default, but some IT people decide to set shit up a particular way that makes things stupid, and some even lock those settings for some dumbass reason…
“your administrator has restricted your ability to change this setting”
Thanks! It was “Always keep on this device” but I didn’t know that was an option. I was able to fully download a folder where individual items could not be retrieved. Awesome!
Apple lets you do this with ebooks, then you turn off iCloud sync thinking it’ll just keep all the local copies you just individually downloaded…
nah deletes ‘em all
I’m gonna go buy a copy of Linux
buy
What is this word?
I, too, shoplift my install USB’s. /s
Raw dog PXE boot over the fucking internet
Memorize the kernel, stick your dick in the PCIe slot, I N S T A L L
(hard)drive it like you stole it
I miss boxed copies of Linux $50 and you got a thick book with it.
I remember buying Suse Linux in the box at CompUSA where i lived. I was so excited!
You’re really missing out if you’re not buying Ubuntu Pro.
I will sell you my copy. DM me, I’ll give you a deal
Undesirables = tech ceos
Linux, people… Linux!
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And that’s the point where I’ll go off the grid
Buy a ThinkPad, download Wikipedia, print as many books as you can, spend 6 months binding those books, die from dysentery or almost starve to death in winter.
This is also my retirement plan.
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microsoft: hey lets set up onedrive and make it your new documents folder for everything on your computer
also microsoft: oh yeah you only get 15gb unless you pay more but we won’t tell you that and once full you can’t use your documents folder
Would actively fuck apps up because it would register as a file touch and break things that expected unchanged file content
Windows 11 finally allows you to simply uninstall OneDrive. Before that you had to do weird registry hacks, that often broke something :-/
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This sounds like a problem I’m too Linux to understand
I am almost 100% ubuntu, but working in home office and remoting to use my three monitor setup from work (windows) at home is a nightmare. Remmina is the best at the moment and she laggy as, and getting it to use all three screens at work, at home… Nightmare
Never found remmina to be laggy but never tried with 3 monitors. Still sounds better than what I had to do when i had to work from home a few years ago. I had to run a windows vm, to log in to citrix at work (didn’t work directly in Linux for me then) to then remote desktop into servers and work in emacs there. It was virtualization hell. It worked but oh boy was everything laggy… Should have gone one deeper and ran my linux on a hypervisor for a true beauty of a setup.
Man, with the Linux users on one side and daddy Microsoft high on the cloud, C: don’t get no respect!
