This article is a bunch of fluff. Do we have any data to support the claim that tourism is down? What are the projected losses based on?
There’s multiple reports over multiple weeks showing declines of 15-25% in automobile crossings at the Canada/USA borders. Some flights have reduced frequency as well.
E.g
Now, I can’t speak to losses, and this is only from Canada, but it’s not nothing either.
Data from our may long weekend last week will probably be out soon as well.
IDK why they don’t link to the actual report they’re referencing but it appears they’ve been a real player in travel/tourism data for several decades.
I mean, I do have to concede that multiple accounts of abuse by TSA and border patrol, including solitary confinement without charge, plus many countries issuing a travel warning for America isn’t ‘data and projected losses’…
JFC that fucking pisspoor AI photo they used. I fucking hate the future so much.
I’m happy because this will hurt Florida’s crappy economy the most.
Florida is a shitty place to visit anyways, it’s all mosquitos.
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Mosquitos interrupted by daily rain and a hurricane or two every year.
Not to mention the sinkholes. And anacondas and alligators and that crazy slug that eats houses or some shit. And worst of all, the Floridians
Maybe people will finally stay the fuck out of that state.
Welcome to the Orange Turd depression MAGAts.
America First Policy
I dont think thats the issue buddy. Its the “America is now Fascist” Policy that makes people not want to visit.
Yeah, we’ll see. It’s basically expecting the rest of the West to act differently. Maybe they’ll surprise me. However, it’s not like I don’t have perfect examples right off the top my head like France and Roman Polanski for instance. Kinda makes me think that people are shit no matter where they’re at, and they’re gonna visit if they feel like visiting here. If the marketing is good enough, the fascism won’t matter and I would be willing to bet on it.
No, I don’t think that Europeans are somehow better humans than any other human on the planet. We’re all shit and we’re gonna prove that correct.
i’d say it’s both: why would you risk being detained at the border, potentially be subject to general abuse when you’re in the country because you’re “foreign”, detained in the country for… who the fuck knows, AND because america first means your tourism money supports a country actively bullying your home country
No way the vast majority of humans even know about people being detained at the border. I’ll say that confidently because it’s pretty obvious the amount of humans I interact with on a daily basis. Don’t know shit about shit about shit about shit. Now we got some of them, insisting Proven science like polio vaccines don’t actually work and are making you out to be the asshole if you get a vaccine and go out in public.
I don’t actually think that any human on this planet is any better than that. I would be willing to bet that most human beings know way more about someone like Tiger King or whoever was the latest Netflix special then they do about Politics or anything going on in the world. And this level of bullshit continues because there’s no end to people insisting that it’s perfectly OK to not pay any attention and then they turnaround and insist those same exact people need to go out and vote. The people that don’t know shit the people that don’t pay attention the that don’t fucking know anything are all voting And they think that it’s their damn duty to know nothing and vote.
And if you think any fucking person in any country is any different, you’re gonna be really shocked when you find out how shit we all are. 30% of the world will support fascism. Done. 30% of humans are fucked From the jump. That’s the reality we’re dealing with 30% the vein that continues through all of history. 30% of Humanity are shit. 30% of us are going to drag the rest to hell.
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the news in australia is pretty straight up about it… honestly we get about as much trump news as australian politics, and since they detained an aussie everyone has been very wary. i can only assume the same is true for the rest of the world (i watch some UK news media and it seems similar in tone)
i think you’re underestimating the mood outside the US… everyone is aware… not everyone is boycotting (because that’s too hard i guess) but very few people are actively making plans to visit. why would you?
both for self preservation reasons (people are doing this), and for just “fuck you” reasons: never underestimate humanity’s desire to knock the “top dog” down a few pegs especially if it’s for “my tribe” reasons
You forgot “extrajudicially kidnapped and shipped to a country you’re not a citizen of,” as well.
My question anybody getting taken is
Why would you let anyone take you at all?
They won’t take me from my house alive and I don’t understand how they’re doing it to anyone else. I’ve been told since birth never let a man take me to an unknown place.
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I think people would visit even if we were fascist. The thing keeping everyone away is the significantly greater than zero chance that you and your family might get picked up by ICE and questioned under duress for several days simply for trying to visit Disney World.
Well, that’s a key part of the fascism. Obviously Europeans vacationing at the House of Mouse didn’t care what the social services were like in the USA, or how affordable homes were, or what Disney employees had unions. But a country like the USA that follows no moral code is not a safe place to be in, period.
Trump is enacting his isolationist worldview through his trade war, and using secret police effort to terrorize and abduct non-citizens. This is going to isolate and ward off foreign business and visitors. No surprise there.
This is going to isolate and ward off foreign business and visitors.
Also having tariff policies that just change every 5 minutes makes it rather hard to plan ahead, and businesses hate that. A lot of the companies that we work with have changed their policies so that the shipping fees to the US are either huge, or have restrictions on them such as at least €200 worth of product have to be spent before they’ll ship anything. Meanwhile they’ll ship to Indonesia for free for a product that cost €40.
This is because the time between shipping the product and the product being received in the US global trade policy might have changed six times. The only way to plan for that is to have a huge profit margin to absorb the weirdness.
Not only tourism. Scientists are cancelling conference attendances of fear they‘ll get harassed or deported (which already happened). It’s such a shame because science need exchange.
and farm laborers, the owners are whining they have to do ACTUAL FARM WORK NOW.
Republicans are actively anti-science and defunding scientific research wherever they can, so they won’t care.
They’ll have to hold their conferences somewhere where they’re safer.
Just had a prominent colleague return from a conference in Italy. He was stopped at the border and questioned for several hours, making him miss his flight.
Was your colleague stopped by the Italian border police or the ones in the USA?
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Yes, so presumably your colleague went through the passport control when leaving Italy and when entering the United States. I am asking where the long delay happened.
Stopped at re-entry to the US.
And he’s getting a lawyer and suing them right?
And don’t come back with some type of bs about how is he supposed to do that? I keep hearing from literally everybody.
Trump sues everyone in this country. You could sue anyone for anything sue them do something anything. Literally anything is better than nothing - write a fucking article! I keep hearing about everyone’s fucking friends. I don’t care about your fucking friend. Where are they? Why aren’t they fucking writing something? Why aren’t they doing altering? Literally anything with their position they have that’s much higher than the people I’m working with now who are attempting to help and they’re literally artists and people that work in grocery stores and retired folks meanwhile, scientists are getting stopped at the border and their friends are and telling us this bullshit while I don’t see any first hand accounts barely and when I do, they are just on social media!
They have power in their position where the fuck are they? Why aren’t they fucking telling everybody? Why aren’t they fucking suing them? Do something, anything, just do something!
its actually worst than that, scientists are fleeing the us, to europe, nz, or australia, and canada. the only STEM majors that can flee are the ones with BS/AND MS degrees, theres very little market them out there.
We are lucky that we live in a time with the Internet so they can still communicate with each other pretty easily. In the past when things like this would happen they didn’t even get that. Hopefully we can still make progress in spite of this
As a US citizen I’m nervous to do international tourism as well after hearing so many people get detained at the border. It’s crazy.
Are americans, both left and right, still believing that their dear leader is a business genius? I think an elementary school grade 2 committee would do better.
when did left americans ever think he’s a genius
How bout Americans be their own tourists first then.
Before the trump admin was in, my partner and I were planning a trip to Big Bend in TX with the express goal of not spending any money in Texas. We’re not traveling to any red states for vacations at all for the next 4 years, that’s for damn sure.
We can’t afford it
You think this wasn’t part of the plan? Crash the economy, then use the bad economy as a rationale to impose deep austerity and privatization.
Plus, it’s easier to commit atrocities against your citizens when the free world can’t see. Wealthy Russians and Saudis will still visit.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. As an American, I hope America falls into a depression.
I hope it ends with a Green New Deal
What a shit situation that they have Americans hoping their own country fails.
I absolutely do not hope for a depression. You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
What we need is what can’t be said.
Rhymes with schmevolution
What a shit situation that they have Americans hoping their own country fails.
It’s like finding out your dog has rabies. You don’t really want to watch your friend suffer and you certainly don’t want it to watch it inflict this horror on anyone else.
I absolutely do not hope for a depression. You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
Would forestalling a plunge in GDP prevent that? It seems like our finance sector controls everything - lock, stock, and barrel. The only way out is for this system of suffocating domination to end. And that’s going to mean abandoning a fixation on (often fictitious) capital growth at all costs.
That doesn’t mean people will simply stop doing business with one another. It doesn’t mean personal homes done for.
It does mean that - on paper - GDP is going to fall, as all that hot air comes out of a FIRE sector inflated to the moon.
But it also means abolishing a ton of personal debts, ridding ourselves of bullshit jobs, and reorganizing our economic administration towards value creation rather than labor extraction
You will NEVER see small business again. You will NEVER own a house. Our future will be utterly gone.
I just hope everyone in my family can buy food and medical care.
LAMF
No one alive today has had to live through a depression; I don’t think you really understand what you’re saying
No, those of us in that camp know exactly what we’re asking for.
During a depression many people will die and the ones affected the most will be those that are already struggling under the current system. A depression will likely result in the currently rich becoming exponentially more wealthy, as they’ll have the resources to weather the depression
You may know, but you clearly don’t understand.
See Ileftreddit’s reply re: only the ones already struggling being most affected.
People come to the US for tourism?
No, not anymore.
Well, to be fair the country has been shitty for 10 fucking years easily. So what we have here is you actually saying it’s OK if America fucks Americans and destroys American livelihoods but the moment America started messing with my country is when I took a stand. So now you see how we got here.
Well, I got some fucking news for you. Hitler wasn’t fucking taken out by his own country. Germany needed a little bit of help from the rest of the world. Have you lazy fuck not notice the fascism has been right at the door for 10 years Yet? Who needs enemies we’ve got allies that won’t even fucking help.
And he stole that election and they’ll steal yours next. With America out, no one will come to help you either.
Anyone who willingly goes to the Untied States is a fool
Still a vast majority then despite headlines. Which isnt surprising.
And cheap hotels are a result of it. My daughter stayed in a really nice hotel during weekender recently. I’ve been looking around for a few days and may do a actual trip soon. Thanks trump for destroying those people’s lives so I can have a nice vacay this year. /s < sorta
So his plan is working then!
/s
All patriotic Americans should only vacation within the US or pay a holiday tariff to do so abroad!
Americans already only vacation within the US so I’m not sure how much of an impact it would have.
Maybe it’s changed since COVID but a hell of a lot go to Mexico
https://www.statista.com/chart/18742/most-popular-destinations-with-us-travelers/
