• NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Idk.

    On the one hand Trump might go to prison for the rest of his life if he loses this election.

    On the other hand most of my policy goals are at least considered by Biden.

    So I think I’ll ignore you and happily vote to send Trump to prison.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Seriously.

    Biden needs to step aside ASAP so that we can get a candidate with a better than 50/50 chance at beating trump.

    trump is too dangerous to risk it, voters and the party both need to do everything possible to stop him.

    For the party, that means not running Biden

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      10 months ago

      Unfortunately current polling hasn’t shown someone like that yet. Harris would probably be first up but it’s not an advantage starting again this late unfortunately.

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        Unfortunately current polling

        Can you like a source who’s method isn’t quick and dirty polls by a company who makes whatever polls there donors want and whose founder didn’t get arrested last election for using his companies polls to try and influence election results so their literal bets on elections would pay off?

        Bonus points if the founder also didn’t solicite their employees to enter an illegal straw donor scheme.

        Hint:

        Not from this absolute shit show

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_for_Progress

        Quick edit:

        The poll your likely referencing compared pro-Israel moderates to Biden.

        All it shows is the people dont just not want Biden, they don’t want Biden because of his policy stances and they don’t want someone else with the same conservative policy

        • Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee
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          So who’s your candidate, and how would they win enough votes from a major party in which 50% of people are (unfortunately, but accurately) moderates?

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            10 months ago

            in which 50% of people are (unfortunately, but accurately) moderates?

            Do you think it’s easier to convince 50% of Dems to vote for more than they want, or for less than they want?

            And that’s not even getting into how even Republicans agree with progressive policy.

            The policy is popular. But with moderate Dems, republicans, and pretty much all of mainstream media fearmingering about progress, people won’t label themselves progressive even though they agree with the platform.

            So who’s your candidate

            I hate how people phrase that like anyone saying Biden is a stupid risk, are just saying that because they have a favorite candidate…

            Anyone that’s not pro-genocide, is pro-worker, and not trump would have a walkin victory.

            You asked for one specific person, so AOC has the best chance to stop trump in my opinion.

            She’s young, charismatic, a great public speaker, and can flip red states like Obama in 08 due to those traits.

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              10 months ago

              You are in a tiny tiny echo chamber if you think she’s got a chance. This election will come down to firmly purple swing states, and literally not a single one would swing blue for such a divisive candidate. (Not even saying she’s divisive for good reason, just that she objectively is when you look at public sentiment).

              Biden is so unfortunately the best chance to avoid Trump, and he’s not even a great chance.

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                10 months ago

                This election will come down to firmly purple swing states, and literally not a single one would swing blue for such a divisive candidate. (Not even saying she’s divisive for good reason, just that she objectively is when you look at public sentiment).

                2008 Obama…

                Our first Black president. Lots of “moderates” said the same things you’re saying now.

                Then he flipped a bunch of red states. Not just purple. Solid red states voting for a young progressive minority.

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                  10 months ago

                  And the vast majority of the electorate is even more conservative now, while modern progressives have less broad party support than Obama did. Obama had also been working on and receiving POTUS chatter for years before throwing his hat in. There’s just no one like that in today’s party.

                  It’s not 2008, and a comparison of Obama’s chances then with someone sliding into the race this late is not based in reality. I really wish it was, but there is no Obama in today’s DRC, and if there was, his campaign would still be starting 10 steps back to suddenly enter the race. I don’t like it any more than the next guy, but I’m not gonna advocate for even worse chances against Trump.

            • PugJesus@lemmy.world
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              10 months ago

              You asked for one specific person, so AOC has the best chance to stop trump in my opinion.

              … her national favorability is literally worse than Biden’s. And it would only get worse with the right-wing media brigade capitalizing on all this time they’ve spent demonizing her.

              I don’t know why this illusion persists that the US is secretly majority left-wing and only voting in Republicans and moderate Democrats all the goddamn time for fucking funsies.

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    10 months ago

    IMHO foolish to focus on the most vulnerable rather than how most people are vulnerable in some way or another and putting foremost in policy messaging changes that would help large numbers of people.

    I sympathize with the plight of trans folks and other smaller disadvantaged minority groups but half of Americans are barely making ends meet, and America is falling further behind in manufacturing, infrastructure and technology/research, all while bathroom bills and grooming narratives are decade+ old very effective wedge issues.

    Help the most vulnerable certainly but put front and foremost how the vast majority would be helped if you want to motivate voters and win converts.

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        Weirdly enough, it was Adam Smith, the first proto-capitalist, that came up with that idea.

        He clearly hadn’t foreseen the possibility of monopolies and abusive trade practices.

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        10 months ago

        That’s what I’m saying, that’s a winning message, rather than focusing on hauling ashore the few boats deemed most deserving by whatever metric and implying the others are less important and can wait.

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    10 months ago

    Biden seemed a bit vulnerable. But is it in his best interest to continue as a president or to retire? /s

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    10 months ago

    Don’t worry, the people who need to listen to this will take one look at this and say “Well, I’M voting with my HEART”, because their heart tells them to do everything they can to enable fascism in the US.

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        10 months ago

        I didn’t realize your heart told you to do everything you can to enable fascism in Israel as well, but considering how enthusiastic you are about making sure Trump wins so he can “help Israel finish the job”, I suppose that shouldn’t be surprising.

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            10 months ago

            Biden is no different from Trump.

            I appreciate identifying yourself upfront and saving me trouble of having to read anything else you wrote.

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                10 months ago

                So are you. There is no vote you can make in the U.S. this election that doesn’t, including not voting, so it doesn’t make any sense to make it the only issue to vote on.

                • HomerianSymphony@lemmy.world
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                  So are you.

                  No. Your logic is confused. You’re so caught up in the false dichotomy, you’re not reasoning correctly.

                  This is some 1984 shit. “Freedom is slavery. War is peace. People who don’t vote for the parties supporting genocide are supporting genocide.”

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                Says the person who make certain the genocide gets worse by electing trump. Gotta love bad faith actors. And my love I mean despise deeply.

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            10 months ago

            Voting green means Trump gets elected in a landslide and fascism comes to America.

            The two party system is because of the electoral college. No amount of “non-binary thinking by Americans citizens” will change that, only a change to the constitution.

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            The only way we’re stopping fascism in Israel ensuring Trump wins and enables Netanyahu to finish his genocide is if everyone votes Green.

            FTFY.

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              The only way we’re ensuring Trump wins and enables Netanyahu to finish his genocide is if everyone votes Green.

              No. If everyone votes Green, then Jill Stein becomes president, not Trump. That’s how elections work.

              You’re so deep in Democrat-Republican binary thinking that you’ve forgotten how elections work.

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                You’re so deep in Democrat-Republican binary thinking that you’ve forgotten how elections work.

                Clearly you don’t know how elections in this country work if you think voting third party works in a FPTP system.

                Ranked choice voting should be what we’re pushing for, not handing the election to Republicans

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                10 months ago

                Not to mention that Jill Stein has found a way to be worse than Biden and Trump, by being dumber than a brick.

                The moron said publicly she thought 9/11 was a hoax. There are other reasons to think she’s a fucking idiot, that’s just the one I’ll never forget

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                  Don’t forget about the wifi might be damaging kids’ brains thing. That was fun. Less fun is that people have pointed out that a lot of her stated foreign policy goals happened to align with Russia’s. She’s a big ol’ no for me.

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                  Jill Stein is a candidate for people that don’t understand politics- I’ve yet to see anyone that suggests voting for her that has shown even a remote understanding of any of it.

              • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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                Jill Stein wins, so now instead of just genocide in Gaza we now also have Genocide in Ukraine because Stein is a known Manchurian Candidate sponsored by Russia.

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                You will never ever ever get enough people to vote green in November to do anything other than give Trump a landslide victory. It’s a pointless thought experiment.

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                No, I’m just not an idiot and I know how the real world works. I wouldn’t vote for Jill Stein even if there was a chance of a third party win, but in this case, there isn’t, and anyone who votes for her is playing right into Trump’s tiny baby hands. And, by extension, Putin. Though, tbh, I kind of wonder if you’re actually even American after looking at your comment history. The grammar and spelling are mostly good, but there are a couple of slips with terms that aren’t really used here.

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                  Are you even American? Because if you were, you’d notice that I consistently use British spellings. (Or, I try to.)

                  I’m not British. I’m just trying to assimilate into Irish culture, and they use British spellings.

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                If everyone votes Green, then Jill Stein becomes president

                When you were a kid did you wish for a million toys every night at bedtime and then wake up surprised every day when that never happened?

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            Hilarious take. A vote for The Green Party isn’t non-binary, it’s irrelevant.

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    That’d be my dog. Who is out there making policy for my dog? Show me the politician who will criminalize the people who kill their ex’s dog after a divorce and shit like that.

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    Democrats need to pull Biden and give us a candidate worth voting for.

    Biden is not a suitable candidate. There is still plenty of time to get someone new.

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      Isn’t there still time for this. I don’t really follow all this too closely, but I heard someone say that the recent debate was a first because neither has been fully endorsed by their party as the person who will be on the ballot. IDK if that is true or not, I just live here (on the internet).

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      I can’t wait to be on the chopping block!

      I mean, almost unironically, except that I would hate to give fascists any satisfaction.

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    “I’m sure letting the fascists win chasing the rapturous dream that this time surely it will teach the DNC “its lesson” is 100% in the interests of that trans kid! And I get to make that judgement call because the list the fascists put out says how much further down the kill list I am from them!”