Who took this picture? Is it from a drone? Strange angle, someone must have been much higher than the subjects.
you ever heard of dunes?
Islam - fun for the whole family!
And to think that a lot of lefties don’t want to see this bullshit banned.
What is this hypothetical argument exactly?
I think its something like:
“This image made me feel something and I need to automatically lash out at my preferred enemy for not feeling the same thing, regardless of what their actual opinion or feelings may or may not be.”
Information is a helluva drug.
What is the confusion? The majority of opponents for Burqa bans in Europe are left wing parties, this is not even a controversial opinion is literally just facts.
Burqa bans come from separation of religion and state. This is Authoritarian vs Libertarian, not Left vs Right.
I’m still not sure what “this” is being banned.
Burqa bans come from separation of religion and state.
Not always. In some countries, it’s simply illegal to cover your face in public - that applies to balaclavas just as much as burqas.
No no, I get it. They didn’t clarify themselves completely. What they meant was that women should be banned from the beach and should stay at home./s
I can’t really imagine what else it could mean as lefties supporting the oppression of women makes no sense at all. These freedoms are a big part of being left leaning and it is the right that puts these restrictions in place.
In bad lefty extremism, you are all equal under the foot of my boot. Your bones crush all the same. Lol Both extreme sides aren’t great, one side is particularly more known for the sexism and gendered oppression than the other. Not that it can’t happen.
I’ll chock it up to not knowing what actually is going on in the world instead of pure malice. Knowing you are being lied to your whole life is hard to accept.
Banning this is as dumb as mandating it.
Peak “making up a guy to get mad at”
Is this in France where Burkinis are banned?
Republicans drool at the thought of this.
The ultimate projection, this entire time, has been their hatred of Islam. They’re jealous of Sharia Law.
2026 will be the year of Levitical law.
Where should we be putting our efforts? Where should we be putting our focus? I’ll tell you where our enemies are putting it. They’re putting it on the kids.
It’s no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have… excuse me, but we have the truth!
Becky Fisher, Jesus Camp
Further widening the canyon between the two parties with this kind of cynical and dishonest takes isn’t just unproductive - it’s counterproductive. Fake internet points aren’t that valuable.
Republicans widened the gap themselves by repealing roe vs wade. They literally are prosecuting women for seeking maternal healthcare. Get out of here with your “both sides” bullshit.
“An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.” Feeling wronged doesn’t give you a free pass to distort reality or attack people dishonestly. You can criticize Republicans all you want - but do it with integrity. You’d rightly call them out for misrepresenting your views, so maybe hold yourself to that same standard.
And let’s not throw around accusations of “both sides” when your own response jumped straight to whataboutism. If you care about the truth, it should apply consistently.
Oh sorry, how many planned parenthood’s have been bombed in the past decade? How’s that for “integrity.” When republicans don’t like something, they resort to actual terrorism. What regime does that remind you of? One that suppresses women’s voice. Stones them for infidelity. Ring any bells?
The courts have deemed a women’s life less important than their unborn child. What’s next?
I’m not defending Republican policies, and I’m not denying that there are real issues worth being angry about. What I’m calling out is the way you’re choosing to express that anger - by making exaggerated, tribalistic jabs that shut down conversation and treat an entire group as cartoon villains.
There’s only one side that’s tribalistic and that’s the right. If you break down politics enough, there’s only two ways really - for the vulnerable or for those in power. Each side has a multitude of different approaches, but people who chose the path to the right are ultimately all fighting against the weak, the powerless, the discriminated. If you don’t call that out, you’re complicit.
You can argue that one side is worse than the other all day long - but that’s not what I was talking about. I’m pointing out that reducing an entire group to caricatures and using that to justify dishonest or hostile behavior isn’t helpful. It shuts down conversation and feeds the same tribal mindset you claim to oppose.
If material analysis wIdEns ThE cAnYoN then maybe it’s necessary - distancing logical discourse from lying scheming fascists that is. If you omit the similarities between right wingers you might as well join them.
you might as well join them.
I don’t see how that furthers your cause. Quite a few have already joined them, as you might’ve noticed - and this kind of rhetoric isn’t exactly helping with that.
Crying for “civil discourse” neuters popular resistance. It has to be as clear as possible which side is the wrong side.
And you can make it clear without lies or misrepresentation.
Y’all Qaeda
It’s really interesting. In a real life they want the picture above, and in video games they want every woman to be a model and showing as much skin as possible.
Maybe we are not so different, in a warld where you are not so brown, we could even be friends
I think I saw a stand of hair peeking out. Mohammad! Get the stones!
Isn’t it lovely how she gets to sweat to death under her death robes?
TBF, big loose clothing is actually the best for that weather. That’s why they wear it (men and women both). The only difference is the face covering and the color.
Muslim here, face covering is not religiously mandated at all, to the point that it actually MUST be removed when going on hajj. Anything else is religious extremism.
Even wearing hijab HAS to be a woman’s choice and cannot be forced upon them by anyone else. People who force women to do otherwise are control freaks who don’t think women are human and I hate them as much as I hate Zionists.
The only thing that women are religiously mandated to cover at all times in public is their torso up to their elbows, and their legs up to their knees. For men it’s their legs from belly button to knees. To make it clear, This is coming from a person who would not enforce my beliefs on anyone else, and supports trans rights because all humans deserve to do what they’d like as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else
I’m a woman who overheats really easily and I work at a bakery (my need for free good coffee overwhelmed my need for temperature stability when choosing a job), so I wear loose dark-colored linen shorts year round. They come to a couple of inches above my knees and I don’t think they could be considered sexy by anyone without a very specific fetish- I feel very much like a mailman wearing them (that’s intentional, I’m generally a pretty modest dresser).
One of our regular customers is an imam, and a lot of my coworkers are nominally Muslim, to the point that they feel weird/guilty when he comes in, but I was raised Catholic, so I don’t mind. He’s a good guy, and we chat sometimes, including about religious guidelines (I’m the kind of asshole who likes to have opinions about things in the Quran without being able to read Arabic, and he takes that about as well as a reform rabbi, plus I am delicate about how I phrase things).
Summer before last, I was in the middle of losing ten kilos because of the heat. I couldn’t keep meals down and basically only wanted to eat cucumbers and watermelon, but I still had to work. I asked him about what would happen to Muslims with my heat tolerance, and he laughed a little and said that it was like asking what happens to diabetics during Ramadan. Obviously there can be medical exceptions to all of the rules and anyone could see from several meters away that I was not handling the heat well.
I’ll grant you, this guy is a liberal imam living in Germany, but it is reasonable that a major world religion not adopt strict environmental regulations that endanger their believers.
That imam has got it right. Anyone who has a medical issue where they have to take something orally is exempt from fasting.
People overcomplicate things, when in reality it’s all about doing what you can. Even for something that’s as forbidden as eating pork; if you’re starving in the middle of a savanna and the only thing you can find to eat is a wild boar you managed to kill, go for it. Doing the basic survival thing always comes first.
Yeah, it’s the same reason my very devout Catholic grandmother didn’t feel guilty about taking medication before mass and still having communion. Reasonable people interpret religious texts reasonably.
I think… it took me a second… you’re speaking as a religious scholar, not at all about how countries implement the rules, right? You’re talking about your interpretation of the Quran, not what the Iranian government dictates, yeah?
Oh I’m speaking about interpretation on an individual level, which is honestly how it should be. Modern governments can’t even follow their own rule book, so having them attempt to follow something else that they choose to interpret however they like is an issue itself
As long as religion is not woman’s choice, you can force whatever you want.
Yes, white reflects light so it stays cooler, but might possibly show some suggestion of human outline. Black absorbs light so it gets hotter. Add the exhaled humidity from covering her face.
At least there’s probably a sea breeze.
Those are images of Tuaregs, the nomadic people living in the Sahara. You see only few wearing white garnments. The majority wears shades of blue or even black. I trust the people who actually live in the desert to know about how to deal with the sun and heat:
Yes but this is clearly a fashion show. I mean just look at the camel toe.
Apparently black clothes, when worn loose with a big skirt like that, can create a chimney effect and increase airflow underneath
This is correct and something I learned about recently. The style of a lot of middle eastern type clothing is all very loose and baggy for both men and women, because of that, the color of the clothing doesn’t affect it’s heat intake. It’s thought that a lot of clothing styles came to be because of what was available to use to weave them. If I’m remembering correct, the desert areas had a lot of wool to work with. Wool is an insulator… So in order to wear it in that climate they wove it very loose with a lot of layers and baggyness. I’m not an expert on the matter though, so I might be mistaken
That’s actually been debunked. The difference between black and white clothing is so negligible it’s entirely unnoticeable. The structure of the clothing is far more important.
It has only been debunked for lose fitting clothing since there is airflow between the clothes and skin. It is not negligible for tight clothing.
It’s also negligible for tighter clothing. See https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/21/wearing-white-clothing-wont-make-cooler-heat-researchers-confirm
Maybe the study was more robust that this article suggests, but this doesn’t tell me anything. Humans are amazing at regulating our remperature via sweat, so I have zero doubt that normal healthy people will have the same internal and even skin temps wearing different color clothing in different conditions. If the group wearing e.g. dark codlors just sweat X% more to compensate, we can’t draw any conclusions at all. Clothing is complicated, since airflow and moisture retention matter significantly, but we know for a fact that lighter colors reflect more energy than darker colors.
Yes, visible light.
White causes the non visible light to pass through, causing more heat underneath. Black absorbs the heat on the outside.
Ever wonder why motorcycle clothes are black too? That’s why.
(I researched because I would’ve liked white clothes)
Black leathers don’t show the tire dust and asphalt as much. White clothes are a bitch to keep clean.
Your skin touching the underside of the hot black fabric gets hot. You can do this yourself and feel it.
Ever wonder why motorcycle clothes are black too?
'cuz it’s more badass
And because white leather just looks awful.
This begs for a photoshopped Darth Vader helmet
Doesn’t look like she’s watching, so much as watching out. Maybe keeping an eye out for the beach cops, or sharks, or just guarding those sandals.
/s
Some guy thousands of years ago: “hmm should I just learn to deal with my feelings or should I instead condemn all women to thousands of years of discomfort…Eh second one is easier for me”
She should be like those lefty heroines who get arrested naked by the police.
spoiler
I looked at the title of this post and thought “this seems rather innocuous, let’s click”.
Then I noticed the black figure at the bottom. Ah, so this is what this shit is about.
Why do everyone on this site seem to be an angry sperg? If someone wants to be modest, why do you get your panties in a bunch?
Many do not want to be modest but have no leeway or option. They face opposition and harm because of this. Why get your panties in a twist and strike down a woman proud of their skin 🤷🤷🤷
Who knows thooo
People think differently. Just because you don’t see yourself being content with wearing a full veil on a sunny beach does not mean that another woman can’t be.
My point has fallen on deaf ears apparently
Yes, feminists want to force people to be naked in public, as seen in the feminist Republic of Iran. Oh wait no, people got beaten to death for not wearing a veil there.
Iran is a low bar to set, I think we can agree there.
My critique was really against tossing modesty in the trash as if it’s completely without value. A man being protective of his womenfolk is also seen as something bad, which is so irrational.
Is it her choice or is she forced to wear that? Middle eastern religions force women to wear that, which is why people are against it
Religion “forces” you to do a lot of things regardless of gender. If you believed in God, then you’d also believe that you must obey God.
If you would like to claim that this conviction is involuntary and a form of indoctrination, then you should equally as well make the same claim about atheist women who subject themselves to be groped naked by the police.
There is no doctrine condemning you to punishment for not being naked.
But there is still pressure, otherwise a woman would not have been driven to go to the street to protest nude.
irreligious women who subject themselves to being groped naked by the police.
'Nough said. I understand the kind of individual you are now.
I gave you the other end of the extreme, where there is no attention paid to the woman’s dignity.
The reason I brought this up was because it is something that I have seen be applauded. No one said, “hum, maybe we shouldn’t let women be in a vulnerable position in front of tyrannical cops”.
If you don’t see an issue here, then you can’t really claim to care about the dignity of women, and that says something about you.
Watch out Mr. swimmer there’s a ninja behind you, oh no he’s playing with with his kid he can’t hear
The ninja approached so silently that he still hasn’t even noticed. You know the flips and parkour and shit like 10 seconds before this shot must have been so badass.
it’s almost as if all of those abrahamic religions are just a giant pile of shit, and the people that abide them are fucking morons that contribute to the suffering of man.
let the middle east destroy itself.
stop being polite to your christian neighbors. fuck ALL of this shit.
This is an opinion. You’re not allowed to have one and will be downvoted for it because the down-voters think doing it makes them a good person. /s
::clicks the downvote button::
“i’M hElPiNg!”
fReE PaLeNsTiNe! (Israel quakes)
i lol’d
let the middle east destroy itself.
England is on track to fail far sooner than the UAE.
yes because the most money wins (never mind the horrific conditions for people in the UAE that are not the wealthy).
England has been the financial capital of the world for the last century. Why aren’t they winning? Why is the country’s poverty level skyrocketing while a few aristocratic elites soak up all the wealth and privilege?
Is it because the country became too Muslim?
i’m not british or muslim so i don’t really give a fuck about whatever stupid point you’re trying to make. it seems like you’re trying to defend islam, so GFY.
Well two of them very notably don’t do this, and hell even most Muslims don’t do this. The burqa is only used by super conservative sects.
Yeah they put you in a mental prison instead of a physical one (burqa).
Damn man. I was with you until the whole “destroy itself” part. I just pray (lol) that they can be free of it all one of these days.
That all of us can.
nothing gets better until we purge
Oh, yeah. That’s works every time it’s ever happened. All the people responsible went down in history as amazing and the conflict ended and no one ever brought it up again.
Listen, maybe I think too highly of Lemmy, but you’re probably pretty smart if you’re here.
If we were to take all of the best people and drop them off on Mars tomorrow with all of the necessary equipment to survive and then cut off communication with the intention of going back in 200 years, we’d find a mess when we returned.
We’d find split factions, brand new religions, people fighting over what the folks who came before them did, and plenty more.
The solution is never to purge. That isn’t a permanent solution. It creates martyrs for the next generation. That’s all it does. It strengthens the resolve of the very thing you are fighting.
And then it just goes in a circle.
I’m not personally intelligent enough to begin to comprehend or provide the answers for our species, but I’m at least smart enough to look back at what hasn’t worked already and say, “Maybe let’s not do that again.”
All we’re doing with that kind of crap is kicking a nastier problem on down the road, and if the side you’re fighting wins, it will be your people’s turn to be purged.
show me a past example of a purge meant to build a better world for all of humanity and not a particular religion or nationality.
show me a point in the past where we had the tools to actually achieve a utopia.
Bro gestures wildly at the 20th century.
Do we really want to make humanity as miserable in the 21st? Seriously?
I hate to say it, but humanity isn’t some perfect machine that can be walked blissfully or painfully into a utopia.
We are creatures born from complete and total chaos with brains suited to live in isolated, likeminded communities that have similar physical features. We have spread our religions around the world in an attempt to make it one big likeminded community and it hasn’t worked, and it won’t ever work. We would have to do what Hitler attempted to do and pick one group and keep only them or people would still find a way to devolve into groups and destroy the utopia. I’d be willing to bet they’d do it anyway if every one of them had the exact same face.
People are still out here trying to make one big group of humanity. In the case of the Christian missionary who goes into isolated pockets of the world to spread the “gospel”, and in the case of some random person on the internet who wants to purge people who think wrong (according to them).
There is a chance, in my view, that your utopia could be achieved, but not with humanity as we are. We could edit our species to be more compatible with a world without borders. We’re not going to get there with the violent revolutionaries doing purges.
Ultimately, I hope it isn’t us. I hope we create the perfect being one day that will spread out across the universe and live for thousands of years (or better).
They won’t have to answer moral questions which are answered differently by every person you encounter. They will know for a fact that they were created and then can build and rebuild themselves as they see fit without worrying about whether it’s the right thing to do.
I don’t know. I wish we could sit around, have a cigar, and really discuss this.
I believe with all of my heart that violence won’t work because violence is answered with more violence. Always. Even when someone knows they can’t win, when presented with violence they answer by taking as many of the enemy as they can with them.
Every little group can go full caveman and fight each other and no one will ever win. No one will walk away with any moral superiority. Any Rome that rises will someday fall.
I would ask you to think about this.
When colonists encountered natives, they viewed them as lesser humans and executed them mercilessly. They weren’t bothered by this because they had a vision. They wanted to build their own perfect world. In their world, there was no room for lesser people. You know? Savages.
How can you be sure that you’re any better?
These are thinking, feeling, living, breathing human beings who just want to live right. They’re doing what they were told to do in an attempt to live right. Most people are harmless and they just want to sit in their corner and pray and hope for eternal life because we’re all in this miserable pit together.
The ones among them who would kill to rebuild a perfect world according to them, well. You might have more in common with them than you realize.
And that is sad.
I hope you see it, or I hope you have no success in what it is you’re calling for. I hope you’re all words and no action, and I hope that you bring no one to your cause. Not because I want you to hurt, but because I don’t want anyone else to hurt.
Some of us are intelligent enough to figure this whole thing out, at least I think. I’m not one of them, but I wish those that are all the best.
We have improved this world immensely through science, put your hope there please.
That seems like an absurd reaction to a photograph of a family on the beach.
Surprise, surprise. Irrational primates make irrational, inconsistent belief systems. Guarantee yours suck too.
mine is very simple. i use logic to improve the quality of life for all sentient creatures.
let me edit that before you try to come at me with some stupid ‘gotcha’:
use logic to produce beneficial outcomes for the largest number of sentient creatures.
Ask any religious person if their religion contributes to their quality of life. Gotcha
You need to get out of your neighbourhood. Plenty of chill religious people out there
Far more shitty ones. Religion is pointless and causes more harm than good.
Then focus on the bad and let other people live their faith in peace
“bUt BrO, somE oF uS aRe ChIlL”
IGAF. your religion produces more suffering than good. get fucked. you’re part of the problem whether you like it or not. ACAB.
but I’m not religious. talk about prejudice
Get rid of that hate bro… there isn’t any from me, don’t become the problem
There’s also no need to write like an edgy teenager for comedic effect… we can talk like the adults I suppose we both are
Fun for the whole family
The beauty of this photo is only surmounted by the despair. It’s so human it hurts.
