I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.

That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.

I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.

Edit: Plenty of personal attacks, but no legitimate answers! Did anyone come to this thread to actually answer the question?

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    You keep demanding an answer to your question, so I will give you one.

    I am not aware of any instances that allow or encourage discussions based on a position of bigotry and intolerance.

    To be clear, you present your question in bad faith, and demand good-faith responses only. You claim that calling bigotry is censorship, and that intolerance is a valid stance in a discussion. You also repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that we are in fact having the discussion right here about your opinions on transgenderism.

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    instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.

    The agenda of being able to exist?

    What other “agenda” do you think they have?

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      Do you know any communities that allow criticism of transgenderism?

      I’d be much more willing to answer your questions if I was confident that my replies wouldn’t be censored for disagreeing with you.

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        Do you know any communities that allow criticism of transgenderism?

        Again:

        What kind of criticism?

        Like I can criticize my friend for not recycling, no one will complain. If I say they shouldn’t be allowed to exist because of an immutable physical characteristic, I’d be a horrible fucking person.

        So what exactly do you want to criticize besides their right to exist?

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          Again:

          I’d be much more willing to answer your questions if I was confident that my replies wouldn’t be censored for disagreeing with you.

          Do you know any communities that allow criticism of transgenderism? If you can’t answer this, then you can just move on to another thread.

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            So…

            You won’t say what you want to say, until I tell you a place it’s allowed to be said?

            Do you legitimately and truthfully not understand how that’s impossible?

            How is anyone supposed to know where you can say something if you won’t tell them what you want to say?

            Logically. How is anyone ever going to be able to answer your question?

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              Alright well, this is a waste of time.

              I’m just going to ignore you and move on since you’re clearly not here to answer the thread’s question.

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                I’m just going to ignore you

                If you were ignoring people, you wouldn’t be responding to them saying “I’m ignoring you”.

                Does that make sense?

                To ignore someone, you simply ignore them. I can’t think of a simpler way to explain that…

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        You are being dishonest. You were just now basically invited to discuss but chose to ignore that and immediately assume a defense position of “not being confident”.

        Chances are you will take this post as an example of being oppressed of an opinion as well.

        If you are sincere then engage with the person asking a question.

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            So you still choose to be dishonest. And a liar. If you want to take “it elsewhere” then that suggests you know of such a place, a thing you keep asking for. But seem to know about it?

            I am now convinced you are a social experiment; possibly AI driven or as a biological entity.

            Take this exactly as you think how I might mean this.

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    You’re not being censored, you just have a shitty and unpopular take. Go back to whatever cess pit you crawled out of. Bigots will not find support here.

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    In here is a good place, as you can see you aren’t being censored.

    That being said, let me show you how you read by changing a single word:

    I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the black agenda.

    That level of censorship does not help their cause; it actively hinders it because regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter. Either they succumb to the hysteria, or they’re ousted.

    I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship. That’s how bad things have gotten.

    And there’s no “belief” in the matter, transgender is an understood condition, like ADHD or skin color. You trying to claim transgenders are not people, or that gender is not a social construct is just ridiculous, that’s why you’ll get downvoted or banned, same reason you would get arrested by going somewhere and claiming blacks are not humans, you’re factually incorrect, spreading misinformation and promoting violence, none of which should be tolerated in any civilized society due to the Tolerance Paradox.

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    This is full of weasel words. Here are just the ones that stood out to me:

    • “Censorship”, which is just “free speech” with makeup.
    • “Regular people”, implying that anyone disagreeing with you isn’t regular
    • “Hysteria”
    • “How bad things (are)”
    • And of course, “trans agenda”

    Everyone believes you are asking in bad faith, because it’s clear that you are.

    (And as always, XKCD 1357 applies)

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    I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions

    Who are you going to be having discussions with if no one is there with you?

    regular people aren’t allowed to have their own beliefs on the matter.

    I’m regular people, which is to say I have pretty much every privilege one can enjoy in America other than wealth. But this statement implies either I must think like you, or I’m not regular people. Don’t drag me down into the mud with you.

    I’d honestly be surprised if even asking this question didn’t result in censorship.

    As long as you’re not engaged in bullying behavior, I wouldn’t expect it to get censored. But then I don’t really care, either. I’m not interested in these conversations with you; I’d rather hang out with… regular people.

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    Hehehe.

    Not any anglo/Western forums, at least none that aren’t entirely populated by knuckle-dragging, hateful morons. As it tends to happen, whatever middle ground wise position is rarely reached, only the extremes. It’s a sensitive topic that involves particularly sensitive people, and I’ve found I don’t really talk about it in public either as it rarely serves any purpose… I don’t even personally know any trans person! I do know a locally popular drag queen and have a couple of gay uncles but it’s evidently not the same, lol.

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    Well if you’d like to have a discussion about it please tell the class! Actual discussions should not violate the guidelines here… Unless you don’t want a discussion, but rather a hate fest? But if not and you actually want to legit discussion, we’d all love to hear it I’m sure! (Sorry if this comes off a bit sarcastic, but it’s not really meant to be taken sarcastically, and if you actually are in good faith then I’m sure you have no problem answering this question…)

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    Probably. For Lemmy instances, read the community rules in the sidebar and instance rules on the instance (in the sidebar when viewing the top-level page).

    You could also start your own community on some instance that doesn’t take issue with it, or even start your own instance if you’re willing to set up and run one.

    EDIT: Now you kind of made me curious, and I thought that I’d skim some instances running 0.19.11 (an up-to-date version, so are presumably reasonably maintained). Part of the problem is that there are probably a number of things that instances might (and often do) prohibit, and what an admin might consider objectionable probably ranges from party to party. Like, say you said that you wanted to have a good-faith discussion on the impact of transexuality, weren’t going to criticize any individuals involved, and were going to be polite. That might pass muster with some places that have comparatively-restrictive rules…but hard to know in advance.

    • Some straight-up have an explicit prohibition on transphobia.

    • Some prohibit harassment.

    • Some prohibit being “unkind” or similar.

    • Some ask a user to be “respectful”. What that entails probably differs from person to person in interpretation.

    Might ask an admin in advance.

    Going through a couple of general-use instances, some that I would guess, from the rules text, probably are going to be on the more-permissive side:

    • lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org says that they specifically take issue with censorship on many instances. They say that they do have some rules, but nothing on their rules page seems to prohibit criticism of transexuality.

    • discuss.online has a “be nice”-type set of guidelines.

    • real.lemmy.fan has no explicit prohibition other than on harassment and asks users to be kind.

    That being said, if you think that you’re gonna say something that might raise hackles, maybe ask the admin(s) there to clarify whether it’s something that they’d take issue with.

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      Thanks a ton for this informative response. I’m going to check out these instances and see if they fit the bill.

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    Social media is a circle jerk machine: It will reinforce any sentiment to it’s absolute limit.

    A sub like the one you suggested will inevitably turn into a anti-trans hate machine. No such space will exist for long on Lemmy, nor should it.

    I’m sorry to see that everyone seems to assume your question is in bad faith. But considering what you’re asking for - that’s kind of understandable, isn’t it?

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    I’m looking for places with less censorship so we can have actual discussions instead of only allowing comments that support the trans agenda.

    Did anyone come to this thread to actually answer the question?

    Looks like the answer you got was “not here” and you can’t accept that.

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    If you are willing to be respectful and discuss ideas in good faith then there are lots of communities to choose from. Here are two off the top of my head:
    [email protected]
    [email protected]

    If you want to broaden your perspectives and have discussions with actual trans people you could try [email protected]

    However, it is clear that you are searching for a guaranteed safe space to say something that you aren’t comfortable voicing out loud, even on an anonymous forum. We have all seen this show before, hence the comments you are getting. If you want a radial free speech space to say anything without consequences then Lemmy isn’t your platform.

    There. Now you can stop complaining that nobody will answer your question. Go do something more productive with your day.

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    The fact that this post and your answers are still up are, in itself, the proof that criticism of (sigh) « transgenderism » is accept here.

    However you look like you dont understand how a conversation is working if you’re spewing hate and do the cry baby when we point out that you’re spewing hate you don’t want a conversation, you want people that will say you’re right which you are not