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destructdisc@lemmy.world to A Boring Dystopia@lemmy.world · 13 days ago

Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

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Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

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destructdisc@lemmy.world to A Boring Dystopia@lemmy.world · 13 days ago
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Could You Prove You’re a Citizen?
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For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.
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  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
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    Presumably yes, birth certificate. But based on news of citizens being wrongfully deported I honestly don’t know what kind of proof ICE demands.

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    You can tell the guards there that you’re a citizen, but they’ll likely respond with some version of “tell it to the judge.” Your immigration-court appearance could be weeks, or even months, away. You will wait behind bars. There’s no right to counsel in immigration court — if you can’t afford a lawyer, you’ll have to represent yourself. When you finally see the inside of a courtroom, it could be what ICE calls a “mass removal” hearing with dozens of other defendants. You won’t have a chance to talk to a judge.

    Holy fucking shit. The injustice in this would cause me have a violent meltdown.

    • TheFriar@lemm.ee
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      “Would?” This is what’s happening.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        I meant if I was the affected person

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          then they’ll just say “see this is not how a true american acts this guy must be a terrorist.”

          they gaslight in this way.

          the trick is to protest, yell, scream, vote, email, etc NOW.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Ye obviously. Just saying that as an autistic person, having to directly face such injustice would probably get me shot.

            • flandish@lemmy.world
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              it’ll sadly get anyone shot. :( these nazis dont care. please stay safe.

  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org
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    Thankfully not.

  • RedditAdminsSuckIt@lemmy.world
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    Can’t do any better than my birth certificate.

    If that’s no good then no

    • destructdisc@lemmy.worldOP
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      That doesn’t always work either.

    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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      That didn’t even work for a President.

  • CodexArcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    There’s only one form of ID ICE cares about:

    • Waffle@infosec.pub
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      I can’t wait to get deported (I’m brown) while my son, who is white as fuck (but technically Latino) stays behind. 🫡

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmings.world
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    I’ve needed to email my birth certificate a few times, so I could probably find it in my emails.

  • Evotech@lemmy.world
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    Nah, I don’t even live there

  • AA5B@lemmy.world
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    Depends on how much due process they’re willing to allow.

    I’m very white, so that’s something.

    I almost always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something. However I’m pretty sure my state gives out licenses regardless of immigration status. Also, while I paid for RealID, I didn’t get it

    In case due process and constitutional rights were allowed, I have a passport and may be able to dig up a birth certificate. You can’t really do any better although I believe they’re already ignoring that

    • lunarul@lemmy.world
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      always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something

      https://archive.is/b5YF2

  • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    yeah but why would you want to? talk about embarassing

    • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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      Now that I’m no longer in the US, I’m so glad I can claim heritage to a third country (I was born there). I will never ever introduce myself as an American. If anything I refer to the state I came from since there is a lot of good there, but fascism is trying to drown it.

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    Probably not without a ton of money and the willingness to pretend to be one…

  • NarrativeBear@lemmy.world
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    Could you really prove anything, reality is relative and all.

  • Jumi@lemmy.world
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    Nein

    • DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works
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      Auch nein.

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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    Probably but that’s because I’m privileged to have a space secure enough to store the magic documents that mean I’m allowed to occupy the volume required for me.

    Nations are dumb and imaginary.

    • ⛓️‍💥@sh.itjust.works
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      Do you carry those documents on you?! How are documents at your house going to help you if ICE grabs you off the street?!

    • unmagical@lemmy.ml
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      And when ICE says your passport or birth certificate is fake and they confiscate it?

      • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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        I’ll guess I’ll die.

        Magic isn’t real and you shouldn’t expect it to protect you.

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    No. I can’t. And probably neither can most of us. That’s part of the plan. Anybody among us could be disappeared into the gulags.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    I could pretend I like guns and don’t know what a meter is. Would that be enough?

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      You mean like a parking meter?

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