Republicans had headlines like this when Biden won. This is a bad look for democrats if they call foul the same way when they lose. There’s been lots of analysis on the difference in the polls and outcome. From my perspective, identity politics has created an atmosphere where having an opinion that is different from the allowed one gets you removed from sites or ostracized. In that same way it disincentivizes people to offer their real thoughts in polls. Say what you will, but I think the over-reach on trans and racism agendas (you’re x-phobic if you don’t completely validate what I personally think or project into you) meant that plenty of people decided to pick trump while quietly saying nothing or the opposite, since those topics are cancelable offenses in the public space.
I really hope this doesn’t go the route of conspiracy theories and not actually realizing that all the Dems need to do is focus on being stable and not playing identity politics at the legal level. I’m already stuck with trump for 4 years. I don’t need it for longer because they lean to hard on extremist points since they know they get a forever base from that.
Ah yes, the “won’t somebody think of the poor racists” argument for making Democrats even more conservative. No thanks, I’d prefer progressive Democrats. You should lose your job, social circle, and societal status if you’re a bigoted piece of trash.
Unfortunately you just proved the point by straw manning racism. I didn’t say poor racists. But the fact that any opinion that might say “hey all of this doesn’t seem relevant or like over-reach” is classified as racist by you and is your comfortable argument to shut people down, that is the sentiment I feel like creates a public “Kamala is winning” but private “I’m so sick of being railroaded over any nuance or difference in opinion” difference that you see between polls and actions.
If someone is really sick of everyone calling them a racist, maybe the problem is actually them being a racist. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been called a racist in my nearly four decades of life, and every time it was by a conservative claiming I was being racist against white people. (I am a white man.) I am extremely opinionated and very open about my opinions. So the problem seems not to be that everyone with a loud opinion is labeled a racist.
And yes, you were literally talking about racists not feeling able to express their opinions without consequences. I don’t view that as a problem. There should be consequences for expressing a racist opinion.
It is rather telling though that nowhere in my comment did I claim that you are racist, but that’s how you interpreted it.
Didn’t say I thought you thought I was racist. I said you just decided anyone I pointed out that may have been tired of ism cries was racist (and that was your statement).
Here’s a great real life example. Some of the worst coworkers I’ve had were DEI hires and they stayed on for 6 months of lost productivity because the company had to get every duck in a row because the expectation was that lawsuits would come. So I get 2x workload for someone we shouldn’t have hired and couldn’t fire. I’ve also had great coworkers who were hired regardless of race or other ism. I am not a fan of blanket statements that DEI just solves problems because it has actually affected my ability to keep work life balance drastically in the past. So when I say this, if your reaction is that I’m a racist/homophobe/etc. for expressing legitimate problems, then that reveals the same problem I’m pointing out. And if not, then maybe I need to reevaluate the sentiment that I have seen among people towards Democrats at the moment (which is, it isn’t worth having such discussions because they’ll just be called some ism despite legitimate experiences that should lead to a real problem solving discussion).
That’s a very good example of confirmation bias. I’m not saying that those workers weren’t a problem, but I am definitely saying you pointing out that they were “DEI hires” is confirmation of existing biases.
If you hired bad workers, that’s the company’s fault. DEI doesn’t mean “hire any minority person”. DEI means don’t skip hiring someone because they’re a minority. It means when you find a qualified candidate, you should hire them, even if they’re black or a woman, for example. I’m sorry that your company seemed to misunderstand this. It’s a pretty common misconception, because conservatives want people to believe that DEI initiatives are something that they’re not. They want white men to believe that DEI initiatives are “taking away their jobs”.
And just because someone is a white straight cis man doesn’t mean they’ll be a good worker. The majority of shitty workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men. That’s probably because the majority of workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men, and that’s how statistics works.
Republicans had headlines like this when Biden won. This is a bad look for democrats if they call foul the same way when they lose. There’s been lots of analysis on the difference in the polls and outcome. From my perspective, identity politics has created an atmosphere where having an opinion that is different from the allowed one gets you removed from sites or ostracized. In that same way it disincentivizes people to offer their real thoughts in polls. Say what you will, but I think the over-reach on trans and racism agendas (you’re x-phobic if you don’t completely validate what I personally think or project into you) meant that plenty of people decided to pick trump while quietly saying nothing or the opposite, since those topics are cancelable offenses in the public space.
I really hope this doesn’t go the route of conspiracy theories and not actually realizing that all the Dems need to do is focus on being stable and not playing identity politics at the legal level. I’m already stuck with trump for 4 years. I don’t need it for longer because they lean to hard on extremist points since they know they get a forever base from that.
Ah yes, the “won’t somebody think of the poor racists” argument for making Democrats even more conservative. No thanks, I’d prefer progressive Democrats. You should lose your job, social circle, and societal status if you’re a bigoted piece of trash.
Unfortunately you just proved the point by straw manning racism. I didn’t say poor racists. But the fact that any opinion that might say “hey all of this doesn’t seem relevant or like over-reach” is classified as racist by you and is your comfortable argument to shut people down, that is the sentiment I feel like creates a public “Kamala is winning” but private “I’m so sick of being railroaded over any nuance or difference in opinion” difference that you see between polls and actions.
If someone is really sick of everyone calling them a racist, maybe the problem is actually them being a racist. I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve been called a racist in my nearly four decades of life, and every time it was by a conservative claiming I was being racist against white people. (I am a white man.) I am extremely opinionated and very open about my opinions. So the problem seems not to be that everyone with a loud opinion is labeled a racist.
And yes, you were literally talking about racists not feeling able to express their opinions without consequences. I don’t view that as a problem. There should be consequences for expressing a racist opinion.
It is rather telling though that nowhere in my comment did I claim that you are racist, but that’s how you interpreted it.
Didn’t say I thought you thought I was racist. I said you just decided anyone I pointed out that may have been tired of ism cries was racist (and that was your statement).
Here’s a great real life example. Some of the worst coworkers I’ve had were DEI hires and they stayed on for 6 months of lost productivity because the company had to get every duck in a row because the expectation was that lawsuits would come. So I get 2x workload for someone we shouldn’t have hired and couldn’t fire. I’ve also had great coworkers who were hired regardless of race or other ism. I am not a fan of blanket statements that DEI just solves problems because it has actually affected my ability to keep work life balance drastically in the past. So when I say this, if your reaction is that I’m a racist/homophobe/etc. for expressing legitimate problems, then that reveals the same problem I’m pointing out. And if not, then maybe I need to reevaluate the sentiment that I have seen among people towards Democrats at the moment (which is, it isn’t worth having such discussions because they’ll just be called some ism despite legitimate experiences that should lead to a real problem solving discussion).
That’s a very good example of confirmation bias. I’m not saying that those workers weren’t a problem, but I am definitely saying you pointing out that they were “DEI hires” is confirmation of existing biases.
If you hired bad workers, that’s the company’s fault. DEI doesn’t mean “hire any minority person”. DEI means don’t skip hiring someone because they’re a minority. It means when you find a qualified candidate, you should hire them, even if they’re black or a woman, for example. I’m sorry that your company seemed to misunderstand this. It’s a pretty common misconception, because conservatives want people to believe that DEI initiatives are something that they’re not. They want white men to believe that DEI initiatives are “taking away their jobs”.
And just because someone is a white straight cis man doesn’t mean they’ll be a good worker. The majority of shitty workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men. That’s probably because the majority of workers I’ve seen were white straight cis men, and that’s how statistics works.