That’s daylight saving time’s fault.
Checking in as the weirdo who likes both the long summer days and the short winter days.
As someone who’s house is entirely powered by solar, I love the long days! I also do a lot of outside work so the extra hours of daylight really help me there too
During winter it was so overcast and cloudy that I had to run a generator almost the entirety of the season
If it weren’t for having to run the heat pump, I’d have 10X what I need right now. But 3 or 4 hours of usable sunlight in the winter makes it hard to keep up.
For real, I have wood stoves (and propane heaters a supplemental) for winter heat so luckily a little less load on my system! This past winter was so cold here I had to get a subzero sleeping bag and put a living heater (my dog) inside of it because even the wood stoves couldn’t keep up
I have mini splits but because of the sun situation I couldn’t run them on heat without burning through my power/spending hundreds of dollars on gas for the generator!
I have woodstoves as well, but I’ll run the furnace fan to distribute the heat, so there’s a bit of use, and it’ll kick propane in if the fire burns down, or the heat pump if it’s above -15 outside and I have capacity. I tend to be around 10KW of usage but 23KW of panels struggles some days. After about 5 days of poor sun I’ll be out of reserve, and I fire up the genny for 5 hours to top them back up.
I’ve considered building a woodgas source for the genny, that would take me pretty much completely off the teat. I’d love to get a groundsource heat pump but those are mucho dinero.
I’ve also considered melting urea for a cooling source, since we farm and need N for the sprayer. It’s amazing how much heat the endothermic reaction takes, and using a sprayer for topdressing is much more precise than spreading dry fert.
That’s awesome, I’d love to get a system like that going for my generator. Good luck with that, if you end up doing it!
What’s the insulation situation in your house? I didn’t build mine and the previous owner who did used Styrofoam and cinder blocks so it’s a losing battle keeping it climate controlled 95% of the time (alongside no central ducts at all minus the chimney)
Full solar power is the dream! That’s awesome.
It can be pretty great, but you really do need to treat it differently than you would on the grid!
For example: at night, making sure you don’t leave lights on, not running heavy loads like the microwave for very long, etc.
The good news is that as the old expensive equipment gets phased out, it gets easier and cheaper to DIY your off grid (or emergency backup) system!
Astrophotographers be like:
Ah yes, staying up until 3am for 3 hours of good data
This is great.
I actually like that the sun doesn’t set until like ten in the evening where I live. It also starts rising at 3 in the morning. I love it. I prefer this to depression season the other half of the year xS
Found the Dane :)
I’ve been to Denmark and I agree, it’s great to have sun until late in the evening. It feels like you have more life after a work day.
That, and more energy. I swear something got fucked up at the factory when they made me. I’m a terrible scandinavian. I am prone to pretty intense winter depressions and I’m not a fan of the cold either. I have been so far down the dumps during the winter seasons that I have blacked out entire months and have no memory of what I did and my spouse is like “yeah, you basically spent two months sitting in the same corner of the home when you weren’t working, just looking gone, dude.” And when I have winters where I feel like I did pretty good and didn’t get depressed my man still goes “yeah, nah. You were depressed af. Just not vacant this time”.
On the flipside I have been giddy like a kid walking for hours in flip-flops in Mediterranean mountains, getting slow cooked by the summer sun. I remember last time I was visiting Greece with my parents and we walked all morning until noon to get to a nice little beach across the mountains and a couple of locals saw us coming and were fucking horrified that we had come all that way on foot, lol.
then there is the winter when you casually just realize that you haven’t seen the sun in weeks, maybe event months because you leave for work before the sun rises and go home after it sets and in the weekends you are inside recovering from the workweek.
But still i like to say that it takes the whole winter to yearn for the summer but it only takes one day of summer to want it to be winter again.
I am a solstice enjoyer. I want 16 hr days in summer and 16 hr nights in winter. 12-12 is basic and cringe. Fuck the fake ass seasons like autumn and spring and fuck the equator!
9? pft try living in Alaska when the sun rises at 1 AM. And the other half the year is nonstop crushing darkness.
9? maybe in a few months…
I love the long days lol
I’m a night owl forced to work day shifts. I miss the darkness.
Yeah summer is terrible, with how you have to put on five layers to stay cool in the sunshine and then go shovel out all the sunshine in your driveway and/or scrape all the sunshine off your car before you drive ten mph all the way to work while fellow commuters slip & slide all over the sunshine covered roads…
You still have snow? Must be nice. We have 40 degrees in june.
wearing 5 layers to be warm is better than wearing 1 layer and still boiling alive and literally having your skin burn and still feel painful and like it’s cooking the next day while sitting in a pitch black room
And boiling alive is better than winter depression :/
boiling alive affects everyone seasonal depression only affects certain people
As my mom always said
“If you’re cold you can put on more clothes, but you can only get so naked”
I can’t have warm hands and usable dexterity in winter. Only in winter can I have painfully cold, numb hands and be sweaty at the same time.
At least in summer my whole body agrees that it’s warm and my hands always work properly
If it’s warm for a longer period you can aclimate and get used to it, if it’s cold for a long time you just die I guess
you can acclimate to the cold and if it’s too cold again you can put in more layers if it’s too hot to acclimate to the heat you can’t do anything and going outside is dangerous and risks serious skin and eye damage
HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Acclimate he says! Buddy, I’ve lived in SC since I was 11. Before that I was born and raised in MA. You will not see me outside during the summer down here. Still, after all these years(I’m 38). And if you do, I am not happy about it.
Where do you live? Maybe you could choose a more temperate climate
“oh just move country if you don’t like the heat” true fivehead statement the uk is supposed to be temperate but climate change happened there is nowhere temperate anymore
There’s plenty of temperate locations, sounds like you just haven’t bothered to look. I live in one, but it’s in America so I wouldn’t suggest that to anyone not already here. I’m guessing further north in the uk or in Northern Ireland you would find plenty of temperate regions.
again hur dur just move bro it was temperate here 10 years ago you think it won’t be hotter in the north soon even if I wanted to move I live in social housing on disability and am reliant on help from my family just moving to the other side of the country to avoid summer isn’t an option also I’ve lived in the north when I went there for school it was pretty damn hot there in the summer not as bad but it was not that much cooler
It depends on where you live. In my case snow is a miracle at this point because of global warming
It’s much preferred over pitch black darkness at 3:30pm in the winter…
I think you’re forgetting that night time is cool and day time is for losers.
People who bark about diurnal superiority are losers.
depends where you live
It’s a lot less cool when you’re robbed the option of day time entirely, because you have to spend daylight hours at work…you wake up, its dark…you leave work, its dark. And on top, it’s rainy and cold and windy.
Mostly losing my will to live for months every year is not very cool.
How far north do you live to get darkness at 3.30 pm?
Its also not a choice between ops pictures and this because i am convinced they are criticising daylight saving In summer, which does not affect winter.
Yes, it is mocking DST.
Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn’t have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.
DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.
Why on earth would that be preferable? Unless you get up at 5am the morning sunlight is wasted, and you have less sun to enjoy in the evenings
Objectively,
Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.
Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)
Subjectively,
Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.
Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30
How does keeping kids inside the whole time the sun is up improve their mental health over giving them an extra hour of sun after school that they can actually enjoy?
I am no psychologist but it’s about how their day night cycle develops which is very different from adults.
Daylight is one of the systems it uses to self regulate and start feeling awake.
School actually starts to soon in many places, that already a major part of it. Research (not at hand) actually show grades go up if school starts later. We basically force kids to be tired to fit our schedule and it gets worse for teens.
With delayd sunlight. They wont really be properly awake for almost half their “productive” day”.
We also know that lack of sleep is a pillar of mental health conditions, now include all the dormant mental health conditions kids already carry and with growing up in this timeline.
DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is “normal” time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.
“Standard” time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.
Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.
Locking the clocks on normal, “summer” time solves the problems with the time change. The “kids walking to school in the dark” problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
I would rather have more summer sun in the cool morning before work than the blazing hot sun in the evenings after work. I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.
I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country
You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.
First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn’t even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn’t have to follow DST for work then it wouldn’t matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn’t what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world’s average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn’t come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
DST sucks my sweaty balls!
I live just about in the middle of Norway. It’s nearly always dark in the winter and nearly always light in summer.
DST also makes no real difference here, if its sunrise at 4:30am and sundown at 11:30pm or sunrise at 3:30am and sundown at 10:30pm doesn’t matter whatsoever.
That’s around the same latitude as Kiel in Northern Germany. Go up to Stockholm and it sets around 2:45 pm at the earliest.
What’s wrong in this picture?
Everything.
OP is crying because it’s light out at 9PM. Maybe they’re ignorant about black out shades, who knows.
Absolutely nothing. Just sweet sweet daylight
Can we have it in the morning instead of when we are trying to wind down to sleep?
Madness? This…is…summer!
