That’s daylight saving time’s fault.
Checking in as the weirdo who likes both the long summer days and the short winter days.
As someone who’s house is entirely powered by solar, I love the long days! I also do a lot of outside work so the extra hours of daylight really help me there too
During winter it was so overcast and cloudy that I had to run a generator almost the entirety of the season
If it weren’t for having to run the heat pump, I’d have 10X what I need right now. But 3 or 4 hours of usable sunlight in the winter makes it hard to keep up.
For real, I have wood stoves (and propane heaters a supplemental) for winter heat so luckily a little less load on my system! This past winter was so cold here I had to get a subzero sleeping bag and put a living heater (my dog) inside of it because even the wood stoves couldn’t keep up
I have mini splits but because of the sun situation I couldn’t run them on heat without burning through my power/spending hundreds of dollars on gas for the generator!
I have woodstoves as well, but I’ll run the furnace fan to distribute the heat, so there’s a bit of use, and it’ll kick propane in if the fire burns down, or the heat pump if it’s above -15 outside and I have capacity. I tend to be around 10KW of usage but 23KW of panels struggles some days. After about 5 days of poor sun I’ll be out of reserve, and I fire up the genny for 5 hours to top them back up.
I’ve considered building a woodgas source for the genny, that would take me pretty much completely off the teat. I’d love to get a groundsource heat pump but those are mucho dinero.
I’ve also considered melting urea for a cooling source, since we farm and need N for the sprayer. It’s amazing how much heat the endothermic reaction takes, and using a sprayer for topdressing is much more precise than spreading dry fert.
That’s awesome, I’d love to get a system like that going for my generator. Good luck with that, if you end up doing it!
What’s the insulation situation in your house? I didn’t build mine and the previous owner who did used Styrofoam and cinder blocks so it’s a losing battle keeping it climate controlled 95% of the time (alongside no central ducts at all minus the chimney)
Full solar power is the dream! That’s awesome.
It can be pretty great, but you really do need to treat it differently than you would on the grid!
For example: at night, making sure you don’t leave lights on, not running heavy loads like the microwave for very long, etc.
The good news is that as the old expensive equipment gets phased out, it gets easier and cheaper to DIY your off grid (or emergency backup) system!
Astrophotographers be like:
Ah yes, staying up until 3am for 3 hours of good data
This is great.
Sorry, but I prefer this to winter days where I don’t see the sun at all because it’s only up while I’m at work.
They’re equally awful but in their own ways.
No. No i think roasting when you open your front door is worse.
does depend on where you live tho. up north the summers aren’t so bad
Okay, yes, im sure in the arctic circle i would love the temperate evenings.
I don’t mind high temperatures on their own, but I’ll die if they’re combined with high humidity.
Sorry, but over 105f you literally die. At 115 it feels like an oven outside.
105 femtowhat? I have no idea what those numbers mean.
Thats fair. ~4(3?)c. The temp your brain cooks at.
They’re both equally just fine imo. During winter it can be really bright with snow and sunshine feels so much better and during summer I just get heavier curtains.
But sometimes when there’s snow and you have the moon shining it’s just unbelievably pretty. But yeah, I’ll take more sun over less anytime.
I like longer daylight it’s key to me being happy, but I have a car now with led strips all over and I rarely get to drive at night so be nice to drive home again in the dark in winter
It’s much preferred over pitch black darkness at 3:30pm in the winter…
How far north do you live to get darkness at 3.30 pm?
Its also not a choice between ops pictures and this because i am convinced they are criticising daylight saving In summer, which does not affect winter.
Yes, it is mocking DST.
Where I live the sun comes up at 6 am and sets at 9 pm. That makes the noon at 1:30 pm. If we didn’t have DST it would be up at 5 and down at 8 pm with noon at 12:30, which would be preferable.
DST fucks with my sleep schedule, I hate it so much.
Why on earth would that be preferable? Unless you get up at 5am the morning sunlight is wasted, and you have less sun to enjoy in the evenings
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
I would rather have more summer sun in the cool morning before work than the blazing hot sun in the evenings after work. I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
First of all, I don’t wake up with the sun. Having it rise earlier is better for me to wake up naturally, and the normal time would actually help me get up early enough to enjoy the cooler morning before work.
I’m guessing you meant you do wake up with the sun. It doesn’t matter what time the sun comes up then, just wake up with it and enjoy the cool morning then.
Second, I am just as happy when the sun goes down. In fact, if it didn’t go down so fucking late I would have an extra hour of less blazing hot temps as the sun goes down to relax outside before bed.
This literally makes no sense. The temperature will be just as hot at whatever time of day it is no matter whether it’s Standard time or Daylight Saving time.
I would also like to get to sleep at a reasonable hour, but DST makes that harder.
Exactly. Standard time makes this harder. I would like to get sleep at 5 am, a reasonable hour. You do realize the majority of the planet doesn’t go to sleep until after 11pm right? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-bedtime-by-country
You’d literally be forcing the majority of the population to get even less sleep, since the sun would be interrupting their sleep more. If you go to sleep before 11pm you are in the absolute extreme minority.
First of all, I meant what I wrote. Outside of being forced to wake up early for business hours, I wake up naturally an hour or two after the sun comes up. Right now I get up about when the sun comes up, but early and late in DST the sun doesn’t even come up until after I have left for work. So no sun early in the morning before work except right now.
Second, if the sun goes down at 8 pm instead of 9 pm because of DST, it is cooler at 8 pm. If I didn’t have to follow DST for work then it wouldn’t matter because I could just stay up later and wake up later, but that isn’t what we are talking about.
The rest of the world stays up in the summer because of DST. Also, I am expressing my opinion, not the opinion of the world’s average. Also, I go to sleep around midnight because the sun is up so fucking late during DST, and then have to drag my ass out of bed in the morning because the sun doesn’t come up at the natural time.
If they are sleeping based on the sun, they would probably go to bed earlier and get up earlier, right? It would be easier with the sun going down earlier in the evening!
Those averages have nothing to do with summer. In fact many of those locations don’t obey daylight saving time at all, so no, your point is just incorrect. I understand you are stating your opinion, but your opinion would affect the vast majority of the planet in a negative way. Having people drive to work in the dark is a much better outcome for the majority of the planet than having it get dark when the majority of the planet is doing activities unrelated to work.
Most people don’t sleep based on the sun, they sleep based on their work schedule. That’s why DST is superior, because work schedules will just move earlier to make sure that they’re capturing when people are first waking up, you’ll never get rid of that. What you can do is make it so that it’s light when people are performing after school activities, club sports, events, hanging out with friends, etc.
You can always use blackout curtains, so any argument about sleep is never going to be relevant to this conversation. What is relevant is work and play.
DST sucks my sweaty balls!
Objectively,
Because we would be avoiding the 2 jet lag times a year which have been proven to cause deadly (traffic) accidents.
Because the other alternative of always dst means sun only gets up at 10am in winter which can negatively impact mental health (especially for children and teenagers)
Subjectively,
Because some people actually enjoy summer nights.
Because getting up on time is easier with more sunlight. And waking gradually and naturally at 5:30 beats waking forcefully by alarm at 6:30
How does keeping kids inside the whole time the sun is up improve their mental health over giving them an extra hour of sun after school that they can actually enjoy?
I am no psychologist but it’s about how their day night cycle develops which is very different from adults.
Daylight is one of the systems it uses to self regulate and start feeling awake.
School actually starts to soon in many places, that already a major part of it. Research (not at hand) actually show grades go up if school starts later. We basically force kids to be tired to fit our schedule and it gets worse for teens.
With delayd sunlight. They wont really be properly awake for almost half their “productive” day”.
We also know that lack of sleep is a pillar of mental health conditions, now include all the dormant mental health conditions kids already carry and with growing up in this timeline.
DST is in use 3/4 of the year. It is “normal” time, where everyone recognizes that 4am is entirely too fucking early for a sunrise, so we push that back to 5AM.
“Standard” time is the abnormal abomination that we currently switch to for about 3 months in winter.
Seasonal depression in kids and teens is primarily due to the lack of outdoor activities in winter, which is caused by an abnormally early sunset driving them indoors immediately after school.
Locking the clocks on normal, “summer” time solves the problems with the time change. The “kids walking to school in the dark” problem is mitigated by the fact that they already spend the darkest three weeks of the year on winter vacation; we can extend that one more week by stealing three days from each end of the summer vacation. The remaining two or three weeks of early morning darkness do not justify stealing months of evening daylight from the rest of us.
DST also makes no real difference here, if its sunrise at 4:30am and sundown at 11:30pm or sunrise at 3:30am and sundown at 10:30pm doesn’t matter whatsoever.
That’s around the same latitude as Kiel in Northern Germany. Go up to Stockholm and it sets around 2:45 pm at the earliest.
I live just about in the middle of Norway. It’s nearly always dark in the winter and nearly always light in summer.
I think you’re forgetting that night time is cool and day time is for losers.
People who bark about diurnal superiority are losers.
Mostly losing my will to live for months every year is not very cool.
It’s a lot less cool when you’re robbed the option of day time entirely, because you have to spend daylight hours at work…you wake up, its dark…you leave work, its dark. And on top, it’s rainy and cold and windy.
depends where you live
What’s wrong in this picture?
Everything.
OP is crying because it’s light out at 9PM. Maybe they’re ignorant about black out shades, who knows.
Absolutely nothing. Just sweet sweet daylight
Can we have it in the morning instead of when we are trying to wind down to sleep?
Madness? This…is…summer!
One of the reasons why i vehemently hate summer. The other one is temperature. And another one is people. Too much people.
What if I told you that ALL the seasons have people in them? Kinda gross to think too much about it.
That’s what I forgot to add. True, but summertime here is full of shitty tourists, while local people spend more time outside making annoying and noisy parties.
Seconded. I’d rather sunset at 4:30 and freezing my ass off than torturing myself with the summer heat that comes with the late sun.
You seem like a well adjusted person that is fun at parties.
Oh. I forgot to add I also hate parties.
Nevermind what I said then.
I bet they throw amazing parties. Nice food, drinks that aren’t all bud light and shots, music is a background thing and not something you have to compete with for conversation, maybe a bored game or card game.
As if partying with people you couldn’t care less was mandatory or healthy in any measure.
I don’t get it. Why 9pm? I mean 9 am and a desolate picture would make sense, but wrong with the pic for 9pm?
It’s bright outside.
Thank you, but why is it bad thag 9pm is bright?
It makes it hard to go to sleep the later the subn is up relative to the work day and the DST change in the summer makes it far worse than it would be naturally.
Fucks with your sleeping patterns is the most common complaint I hear. Not so much at 21:00 but if sunset is after 21 then sunrise will be about before 3.
And you left a 9μm gap in the curtains that definitely makes it shine straight in your eyes walking you up.
This is the amount of daylight we are evolutionarily adapted to pre-migration so “fucks with your sleeping patterns” sounds like a man made horror
I love the long days lol
Also, 5:00am.
Is this some sort of 45° N joke I’m too 20° N to understand?
