There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
Lies, there’s the prequel Rogue One.
That’s it though.
I liked Andor :(
Andor is amazing!
Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It’s just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I’ve seen in a long time.
Anyone who hasn’t watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like “one way out” and Luthen’s “sacrifice” monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can’t come soon enough.
Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer’s, but it wasn’t supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).
I don’t know that you even have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Andor. It’s not like Star Wars lore was super important. The Force and Jedi are not even parts of the plot.
You know what would really suck though?
If they made any Matrix or Highlander sequels.
yeah, glad that these sequel fuckers didn’t think about mad max or the terminator either. there can be only one.
You’ve gone two steps too far, my friend.
It’s my pile of sand, and I’m keeping my head deep down within it. Now “temple of doom”, that was going too far. And dont get me started on the godfather
No, there’s the original trilogy, the prequels, and the “Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. …again. How original.”
8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because “Disney still trying to figure it out.”
Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.
9 was never going to succeed. It couldn’t have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.
What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That’s about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.
Hey now. Rogue One is out there.
Definitely a top 4 Star Wars movie. Possibly top 2.
I really loved that one character has a French accent, because he’s from the planet France.
Honestly yeah, 1, 2, and 3 are amazing and never needed sequels.
I would argue that Jedi deserves everything the prequels get
RotJ is where Lucas started to not have pushback on story ideas. It still mostly works but some silliness is leaking through. Especially in the Special Edition, but Empire is the only one that really wasn’t effected by those.
I honestly cannot believe you forgot about the Skywalker twins.
“I’ve always known.”
Somehow.
Still not as stupid as George’s decision to have Leia remember their mother as “beautiful but sad” and then have Padme die two minutes after Leia is born. Like, damn, Leia’s got a good memory.
I would be generous and interpret that as Leah remembering Bail Organa’s wife (who it must remembered, she thought was her mother until like, an hour before that conversation), or else constructing memories of an ideal woman.
At least, until Obi Wan, but whatever
Your point still stands. She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
She only found out she was adopted like an hour prior.
Wait, who did she find this out from? Her adoptive parents were presumably killed in Star Wars with the destruction of Alderaan.
It’s also implied that she knew she was adopted. Luke asks her “do you remember your mother, your real mother?” and Leia replies “Just a little bit. She died when I was very young”.
I liked a lot of seven, but knowing that you’d have to eventually watch nine sort of invalidates the rest of that trilogy
Never did watch 9. My biggest problem with 7 ?and other reboots like Jurassic World) is it was literally almost a rehash of 4, except with an even bigger “Death Star”. Rather than going for a unique plot.
I thought they did really well on coming up with new characters, and original stories, I enjoyed most of their arcs and adventures in 7.
The biggest death Star was the biggest letdown of that movie for sure.
But hoo boy, after I watched nine, my irritation at the laziness of a bigger death Star is nearly insignificant compared to some of the plot points in 9.
When I saw the starkiller I rolled my eyes, but I literally could have walked out during 9 from
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the knife and sith island
I was already bummed out at eight that there was no Luke or character development for finn.
Then all of nine was pretty bad but especially the idiotic plot device mentioned above and a couple other things ruined that trilogy for me and definitely tarnished my enthusiasm for 7
Idk if original stories is something you can give it. The bigger death star is far from the only plot point lifted directly out of episode 4. Seriously, go back and watch ep 4 and ep 7 it’s almost shot-for-shot (not really but for some of the story beats it could be).
Maybe what you’re saying is that the character back stories are original which, kinda.
I’ve heard that said, but I think a lot of the accusations of unoriginality between 4 and 7 are mostly because they have similar themes by virtue of belonging to the same series.
“Ugh, John wick found another reluctant health professional to patch trim up after getting shot”.
kind of thing.
I think Star wars is pushing really hard to reboot Star wars entirely. 2, so they don’t want to do anything new so much as update some of the old stuff with their own characters so that the new movies take over the old ones like the new Canon is taking over the old Canon.
Star Wars is like going to McDonalds and ordering a Big Mac. A lot of people will get that Big Mac and feel nostalgia for when they’re young and thought McDonald’s was the best restaurant. Even though we all McDonalds is really far from being the best restaurant (we all know that), when you bite into that burger and the nostalgia makes it taste better than it really is.
But it seems foolish to go to McDonalds, order a Big Mac, then getting a Big Mac, then complain about it not being something new and original.
Maybe some people have just grown out of Star Wars, and that’s fine. But it seems a lot of people pretend that they aren’t action adventure movies designed to sell toys just so they can be disappointed when that’s what they get.
I do feel sympathy for George Lucas repeatedly telling people since 1977 that these are movies for children, then he sells it to the ultimate children’s company and then people going to see the Disney movies are shocked that it’s a fun, light space adventure.
But I knew what I was getting into and I had a very fun time with seven, whereas nine is bad to the point of being insulting to any audience, including a child audience.
I am curious to see if the critical success of Andor, a more gritty Star wars tale, rubs off on the new movies.
Nine has many layers to it. It’s the most interesting of all of the Star Wars movies, just isn’t appreciated by hot take internet culture that fixates on the nitpicks.
In one of the layers, it has a good message for children that are learning in school that their ancestors did terrible things. You don’t have to identify with your ancestors, you can and should identify with the good people in the past. Even those that opposed your ancestors.
Probably don’t need to go so far as changing your name because your ancestors did some bad shit, but it’s Star Wars, people are always changing their names to signal their alignment.
Yeah the knife thing was the same as the amulet from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Indiana Jones happened to be in the map room at the exact right time of year when the sun would be in the correct alignment to shine a beam to where the Ark was being kept? Why would someone make such an amulet? Like did they know that someone would someday need to know where they stored it and knew the exact day of the year that person would come into the map room with the amulet?
Is Raiders of the Lost Ark a bad movie? Or are we just not supposed to go into an action adventure movie trying to find something wrong with it?
Depends what you mean by bad. Is raiders not enjoyable?
Ppf, I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who didn’t enjoy raiders.
Is it constructed well? God no hahah, it is barely constructed at all. It’s like a series of disconnected vignettes.
I don’t even think the amulet is as bad as the knife.
It’s a valid comparison, but there’s so much momentum pushing raiders forward that it seems natural he would get lucky with the amulet as well.
In nine,
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you’re being dragged through 2 hours of zero tension or momentum and then when they arrive at an area that they know the sith are at, instead of the strongest Force character ever using the force to sense what general direction this hideout could be, or scanning for machines or literally anything else, they’re like well gee. If it isn’t here then it’s impossible that we’ll ever find it- oh wait, I have this knife that only works from this specific promontory from this specific distance on an area the size of a planet.
Good thing the emperor told them he was back for no reason instead of consolidating his forces and making a plan?
And it turns out that the knife points them, the only characters in an entire galaxy that are a threat to the sith, to an inexplicably accessible and shallow cave on an island super close to shore that someone who has been telegraphing their allegiance to Rey is waiting oh my gosh it was so ridiculous.
You’d have to add a lot of bullshit contrivances to make that amulet scene as insulting to the audience and idiotic as rise of skywalker turned out to be.
I think the strength of the amulet is that they don’t explain it too much. There’s a feeling of destiny with the amulet, like is nothing else Indiana could have done to get to this point and that’s his last resource.
Not so at all with the knife. Not so at all with many things in these movies that could have been accomplished in different, smarter safer ways for the characters or more exciting nail biting ways for the audience.
The specific knife plot could have happened in so many other ways and this way is among the worst.
At this point in the movie,
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Kylo Ren could have just told her where the island was or she could have intuited it from him because she can literally read mines now and he already told her pretty much point blank multiple times that he’s ready to betray empire.
Rey could have developed a force sonar, she has so many new powers and doesn’t even need a training montage that would have made perfect sense. She can already sense the sith better than anybody else ever.
The rebels could have scanned the top 10 ft of the apparently otherwise empty planet and found this cave.
Luke’s ghost could have pointed her in the right direction and that would have made much more sense.
Almost anything would have made more sense and more importantly, been more cinematically exciting and satisfying for the audience than what they chose to go with.
Nine is a blight.
Raiders is fine. You’re not supposed think to hard about why an artifact exists and why it works even when it doesn’t make a lot of sense in an action adventure movie. Ideally everything would make perfect sense, but when it doesn’t it’s no reason to get your panties in a bunch.
They could’ve accomplished things in Raisers a lot more smarter too. Indy could’ve just waited until that Nazis dug up the Ark and then stole the truck once it was loaded. Which is exactly what he ended up doing. Would’ve cut out a lot of the action and adventure by doing it that way. And that’s what we want, right? Efficient plot lines which minimizes the action and adventure.
Characters using scanners or fictional magic constantly is boring. And besides, why couldn’t a knife that was made by a sorcerer (that had the ability to see the future) have magical properties? Seems you’re upset they used one kind of magic instead of a different kind of magic. Odd thing to be upset about when watching a popcorn action adventure movie.
Sure there are a few minor flaws in RoS. But it feels like you went into the movie looking for something wrong with it and it gave you what you wanted. I went into it wanting a fun action adventure movie, and it gave me what wanted. So the movie delivered for both of us, didn’t it?
Wow, you get really upset about those movies huh?
That’s an interesting take, why don’t you want the excitement or adventure in an adventure movie?
I guess if you liked rise of Skywalker, it makes sense that you don’t like excitement or adventure in your adventure movies.
You’re projecting about this knife thing. You keep making assumptions instead of asking questions and then criticizing your own assumptions.
A few minor flaws? That movie was a train wreck.
Train wreck.
See, you’re making assumptions again about what others and then criticizing yourself instead of asking questions.
I’m not upset by neither Raiders of the Lost Ark nor RoS. They have pretty much the same flaws. But whatever, they’re action adventure movies.
“A wizard did it” rules apply in both of these movies since magic is real in both of these worlds. And when we’re talking about a knife that’s canonically made by someone with magic powers… yeah, a wizard did it.
Star Wars (no, it wasn’t “EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE”), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn’t make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves “wait, if we’re being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?” and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.
I think technology is the issue. When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects, as the special effects tech has gotten better the story telling seems to rely on the tech as opposed to overcoming the tech (this is all movies/shows not just this franchise). Iirc the death star was a bunch of models of battle ships and other things pasted together, not sure if they did fly-by-wire (Red Dwarf was really good at this practical effect) for the space battles. As an aside, we also tend to like the ones we grew up watching, I’m in the original trilogy is the best (pushin 50), but to those that were my age for the prequels think the prequels are the better series, not sure about the sequels.
When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects
I’m curious, have you watched the original trilogy with the original practical effects, and not the crappy CGI that George added later?
Ok, I am being misunderstood. The “practical effects” were amazing by the standards of the day, and are now basically a thing of the past. The ingenuity was second to none, but the light sabers, blaster bolts etc “special effects” were not the best. And yes I did see that atrocity and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap. If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better. My main point, and it goes beyond star wars, is much of cinema and TV rely on CGI special effects and the writers hope that will get them over the line.
Clunky = takes a lot of space, expensive = self explanatory, time consuming = getting models to behave properly
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That’s an interesting position. I never found the light sabers or blaster bolts in the original trilogy to look that bad. And the practical effects, models, and sets, certainly look superior to the CGI sets in the prequels.
If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better.
I’m not so sure about this. I think that the limitations George had at the time ended up being part of what made the original trilogy so good. If George had access to better special effects, would we still have gotten scenes like these?
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Or would we have gotten this instead?
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George being able to do “whatever he wants” does not necessarily lead to the best movie.
and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap
Search up “Harmy despecialized” and “4k77”. There are many other Star Wars fans who feel the way you do, and they have taken matters into their own hands :)
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Makes sense. Those people are ancient. The 6 movies are fine it is the crap Disney stuff that sucks. Apparently I am a “bad” Star Wars fan if I don’t subscribe to DRM based streaming where you own nothing. Also the idea that there is a story line after the end is dumb and poorly done.
The 6 movies are fine
I take issue with the prequels being described as “fine”. Meesa think thosa terrible films…
I can get chill and watch 5 of the 6. I refuse the jar jar movie. I heard his goddamn patois one time in theaters and it was more than enough.
I like the alternate order which mixes the two trilogies together: ep 4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1! boooooo!
4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1!
That’s machete order, I think. While TPM is definitely the most “skippable” of the 6, I think AotC is a worse movie.
Fair. I just have personal beef with jarjar. Feels like nails on chalkboard, no way around it
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous. There is a reason is has been memed to death.
That said young kids enjoy it. Sabers go wonwon, blasters go pew pew. And watch them go crazy for that pod race scene.
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous.
“I wish I could wish away my feelings”
“I’ve been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life”
If you think the dialogue and such in the original trilogy is so much better than you must be blinded by nostalgia. The cheesy dialogue is present in all 6 movies, and so is the childishness. A certain amount of that george lucas cringe is actually necessary imo.
Nah, we’ve been rewatching the OG trilogy and it isn’t fantastic but some of the actors manage to deliver the cheesy dialogue with some confidence.
People quote Han Solo and not in the Star Wars meme way. And I’ll pick the Han/Leia hate-flirt any day of the week over the Anakin/Padme creepmantic dialogue.
I wish my kid enjoyed some of the things I liked. Sadly this generation has spoiled him and seeing something that old is weird to him. Hoping when he gets a little older he can understand that just because it’s old looking doesn’t mean it’s bad.
The ratio on this post makes me think there is hope for lemmy afterall.
For real
The originals are overrated too.
It’s a multibillion dollar franchise. How exactly is it overrated? Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s over rated.
You’re confusing over/under rated with popularity.
No I’m not. You are confusing your own tastes with what is generally considered “good”.
The original trilogy is solid. Those films are 40+ years old. Obviously they don’t compare to anything you’ll see now.
They didn’t say you weren’t allowed to like them.
Im still waiting on someone to tell me how the original trilogy is over rated. Sounds like the movie didn’t have enough flashing lights and loud noises your y’all.
The originals have an avg rating of 8.5 and an avg rotten tomatoes score of 90. Not only are they incredibly popular but they continued to be well scored by people that have never seen them.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
I don’t think they are over rated, I’m just saying this defensive mentality is strange. Let them think it’s overrated. It shouldn’t detract from your joy.
Again please explain how they are over rated.
If I say “x is overrated” it’s a statement of my opinion relative to the average rating of x. That’s literally what the sentence means. Stating the average rating of x doesn’t disprove anything. You’re not even engaging with the idea lol. And there’s little reason to since it’s literally just someone’s opinion relative to the mainstream.
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She does try.
I had a professor who didn’t even accept the whole trilogy, and (probably at least in part ironically) attributed some amount of societal problems to the third movie.
It’s actually the second movie that fucks it all up. The whole point of Luke is that he wasn’t born special, he could have been anyone. ESB throws that out the window and makes him a boring chosen one. Star Wars goes from being a story about the power of the workers to a story about force royalty
wasn’t he already the chosen one by the force in the first movie?
Nope, it’s never mentioned in Star Wars (1977)
Star Wars goes from being a story about the power of the workers to a story about force royalty
The power of the workers? One of the leads from the first movie is a literal princess…
And while she’s very cool, she couldn’t have done it without the help of a farm boy and two career criminals. The heroes of the rebellion could have been anyone, as long as they made an effort and used the force. And back in those days, you didn’t need midichlorians to use the force, anyone could do it if they received the right advice from a mysterious old hermit.
I disagree on this point. Say what you will about midichlorians, but even before they were introduced, not everyone could use the force.
Granted that wasn’t explicitly stated in A New Hope… that random farm boy was already special because he was the son of a great Jedi Knight.
The force only works if you believe in it, and you’re alive. And there’s heavily implied to be some mental barriers you have to overcome to get it to work properly.
Of our heroes in the first movie, we have:
- old hermit who definitely uses the force
- naive farm boy who learns to use the force
- jaded smuggler who doesn’t believe in the force
- GRAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHH
- robot
- robot
- princess who never discusses the force on camera but they don’t rule her using the force out
And in terms of antagonists:
- evil wizard who is looked down upon by society for using the force
- a bunch of beaurocrats who don’t believe in the force
- weak minded fascist soldiers who don’t believe in the force
- a bartender who never mentions the force
- an asshole criminal who never mentions the force
- jawas
In this movie, of the characters who display awareness of the fact that the force exists, we see a clear divide between characters who believe in the force and can use it, and characters who don’t believe in the force and don’t try to use it. I suspect there’s a causal relationship somewhere in there.
Episode 3 is really good.
You mean the one with the four armed cyborg with a silly name that made parents think it was a kids move which resulted in children watching a movie where a guy murders a bunch of children because his teachers didn’t give him enough respect?
How that’s bad? The bad thing is how quickly the guy decides that is all over and start murdering children.
Sure it wouldn’t be bad if it was just a kid’s movie about silly cyborgs.
It also wouldn’t be bad to portray a massacre if it were a dark movie for adults.
It’s bad because both of these are in the same movie. Who is this for? Is it a children’s movie with a school massacre, or is it an adult’s movie with silly robots? You gotta pick a lane!
Also “I have the high ground” is one of the dumbest things in any movie. Good thing it was just a nothing scene that didn’t matter, right? Oh it was the most important scene in the entire trilogy? Well that’s unfortunate. At least we got a lot of memes from it, and that’s what the prequels were really all about weren’t they?
