If the average person can not use your OS, it is not ready. Period.
For example:
Windows - Open File Explorer > Add Network Drive > Find/plug it in > Enter creds > Bam. Ready to go and will automatically log you in at boot. Very nice, very intuitive UI.
Linux - Open Dolphin (or whatever) > Network > Add Network Folder/Find it > Enter creds > Does not automatically mount the drive when booting the computer back up > Must go into fstab to get it to automount > Stop, because that is ridiculous
In my own experience, I was able to get the hang of Windows with no one showing me how a computer ever worked, at the age of 10! Intuitive enough a child can do it.
On Linux, you have to read manuals/documentation, ask random (mostly rude) people on the internet, or give up because why the fuck would I want to go and enter 5 commands just to have something as simple as auto mount a network share? Not intuitive, therefore not easy to learn as you go.
I get it, Linux people like knowing how their computers operate, they like ensuring everything is working the way THEY want to, and that’s awesome! What’s not awesome is recommending Linux to the general populace and then getting upset at them for asking why they can’t do something or why don’t they just do these steps to do whatever it is they are having issues with. Then, you have a person who doesn’t even know what a terminal is confused as hell because they were told Linux is so much better than Windows.
Until we get a more intuitive (GUI focused) way of doing what I would consider normal computer tasks, it will not ever be ready. That’s just the way I see it.
the average person doesnt know how to mount a drive on windows or even what that is or why you would want to, they just need to be able to open a browser
When I was on help desk I often talked about meeting the client where they were at in their technical skill level. Sometimes their technical skill level was “Can you click the icon in the bottom left that looks like a window with four pains, and then click the settings icon it looks like a gear”. If mounting a file share was involved I just remoted in, none of the people that called could handle those instructions.
Install Mint. After the updates I tried to install Tailscale. Then proceed to uninstall Linux because I have install using terminal.
The second I am forced to use terminal, I’m uninstalling.
No friend you don’t get it, if you don’t have to memorise a list of commands in order to be able to execute a program, it’s a shitty OS, trust me friend
What’s shitty about typing “cd” as in change directory ?
That there’s not a UI showing you the possible options, there’s just a black screen and online documentation, so people don’t even know what to look for
It certainly sounds like wayland is just about ripe. Any DE recommendations for a lifelong XFCE enjoyer like myself?
KDE. It’s working very well with Wayland. I’ve been using both on my daily driver for a year now and it’s come a long way since then. It was still a bit rough in the beginning but now I can’t see myself going back. It’s pretty polished.
I’m not a Linux noob, but I’ve been out of the scene for a few years.
Recently tried debian with KDE and Wayland on a modern PC with a 3060. Just a default install.
My mouse could barely track across the screen, it was very choppy and stuttered like crazy.
This was in the last 6 months. I got it fixed by switching to a different compositor, but I shouldn’t have had to do that. Even then I found YouTube to be super laggy.
It’s just not ready.
I had the exact same experience with Debian. The thing is, Debian is so many versions behind, it’s really no surprise that you thought it wasn’t ready yet. Try a less “stable” distro, you’ll be surprised.
well it’s again more about nvidia driver for wayland u need manually do some tweaks such as https://github.com/CachyOS/CachyOS-Settings/blob/master/usr/lib/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf
Xfce next major release will have Wayland support so no need to even change!
Best news I’ve heard all year
HDR is almost there not quite though.
Dolby Atmos is the other thing I’d love to see working
Don’t worry guys, we’ll never have VR
I can’t tell if this is flippant?? steamvr works great for what I’ve used it for (mostly beat saber and taskmaster VR). using Nobara 40 rn
It’s just not competitive with the quality of support on Windows. It’s bad enough, comparatively, that if you’re a heavy VR user it’s worth keeping a Windows install just for that use. There was a long post on /r/linuxgaming a few weeks back rolling up all the issues into one post, I’ll try to find it. One of the best comments in the post was by a top-ranked Beatsaber player actually; he said that latency among other things was the reason he has kept dual booting – only using Windows for VR gaming. I know that I just gave up on playing Elite: Dangerous in VR successfully because I didn’t want to fuss with dual booting.
Only up to the 570?
I think only up FROM the 570 is more likely.
That would be a very odd way of writing it.
Honestly I’m surprised how often I see gimp still mentioned on lemmy/forums/etc. It’s lagging so far behind PS that to call it viable is honestly a stretch. Even for hobbyist needs the feature set is basically a decade behind.
I hate Adobe, let me be clear lol. I’m glad I don’t need to use their crap anymore (I’m focused on video editing now I never really touch photos these days). But resolve is industry-standard, professional software you can run on Linux for video editing and gimp is basically weaker photoshop circa 2015. Someone needs to overhaul it badly or we need new offerings.
I mean yeah it works and is stable but I’ve got tools on my phone to edit photos that gimp doesn’t even have. The toolset is very thin.
I use gimp for pixel art for game textures and to make memes. It has tons of features that nobody knows about becuase they’re fucked by horrendous UI. But theres never been anything I needed to to but couldnt after looking up a tutorial on the internet. Valid points against gimp but lets not pretend people used to photoshop arent also kind of stuck in their old workflow habits and unwilling to relearn new software UI.
Theres photogimp but it hasn’t been worked on in a while.
Also also, most people who use gimp on linux probably did so on a stable distro like Mint installing with default package manager. This means their experience with gimp is from a terribly old outdated version. Flatpaks have some issues but being able to easily install the most current version of software like gimp or kdenlive is night and day difference.
Also also, most people who use gimp on linux probably did so on a stable distro like Mint installing with default package manager. This means their experience with gimp is from a terribly old outdated version. Flatpaks have some issues but being able to easily install the most current version of software like gimp or kdenlive is night and day difference.
Another reason to use Gentoo: https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-gfx/gimp
You can install 3.0.0rc2 or even git version.
Oh cool! Let me just spend three weeks crawling through wiki articles, setting flags in the config files, and patching out 15 different issues with various drivers then installing 20 dependencies compiling them all from source.
Hyperbole, but yeah no thanks I’ll take the L on some optimization and 2gb of storage space and some wierd file system locations for files to load a flatpak if old stable doesn’t cut it. you might want to be careful recommending gentoo to people they might not know better. Most Linux nerds don’t want to open that can of worms, but good for you if it works.
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I’ve been using the Gimp for decades to great effect. Git gud (pin intended). Also, all phone photo editors are garbage.
For decades to do what?
Trim my toenails, obviously.
It was a legitimate question not bait or something so I don’t know why you’re being an ass about it. What is your use case?
Image editing.
You’re telling me this free, volunteer-run feature full software that gets barely beating isn’t almost as good as the multi-million dollar product from a multi-billion dollar company?
If this dude can edit his videos and images on Linux so can you Mr Van Gogh. https://youtu.be/lm51xZHZI6g
Users do not care about how hard the devs are working for free. If the software doesn’t have the features, it’s not ready.
Really think about this. You’re saying two entirely contradictory things:
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Linux software is ready to compete with Windows
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Users cannot expect Linux software to have comparable features to Windows
How will it compete without comparable features? Passion and morals aren’t valued over effectiveness by most users.
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Yes, that’s what we’re saying. It’s fine though, I don’t expect developers to work miracles for free, they are doing an amazing job, but In the context of “Linux being ready” it’s important to recognize some honest truths.
Thank you. All of this libre software is amazing, and impressive as hell, but that doesn’t exempt it from having usability issues and other valid points of criticism.
Calling that out isn’t inherently anti-Linux or anti open source. I want all of these tools to improve to the point that there’s no fucking contest and they are the de facto standard (like blender is), but shit is going to have a harder time improving if people have blinders to valid criticism.
I really, REALLY wish the Affinity suite would work on Linux. They are the only ones even remotely comparable to Adobe.
Wayland nvidia is completely busted
Discord wayland sharing where? I’m using vencord but games still stop moving.
Discord canary currently has it afaik. Haven’t tested it myself
I didn’t think Linux had enough ads and wasn’t commercialized enough but then I tried Ubuntu.
Have you guys decided which distro is the ready one?
At this point it should be obvious, btw
Obvious to whom exactly?
it may have been an obscure reference to the “btw I use Arch” meme
Hint: the answer lies within the last 3 letters of their post. And is probably a joke.
A Photoshop or affinity would be nice
Yes, affinity suite and dxo photolab or true alternatives is whats keeping me from switching :/
Is fractional scaling a standard feature in GNOME now? Last time I needed it, it was still an experimental feature I had to enable.
And electron is shit, so you have to enable that experimental ozone thing, which kills off ibus somehow, meaning I have to decide between blurry chromium/electron apps and being able to write in Japanese.
Don’t even get me started on VST plugins for music production (definitely far from ready)
Hah. I just saw this on the back of some other guy berating me for complaining that Steam committed harakiri when trying to get it to acknowledge Steam libraries on NTFS drives. I’ll stop complaining the moment my stuff works.
But hey, I hear my HDR monitors are supposed to have stopped artifacting out on the latest Nvidia drivers I installed last week, so if I ever get Steam to work again maybe I can give that another try and see if I can scratch that one from my routine.
Meh, never mind me. I’m just cranky from all the troubleshooting. I really thought I had this down semi-permanently a couple weeks ago.
Maybe don’t use proprietary Microsoft formats on other operating systems
