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A whole 7 days??? Gosh gee willakers!!! You think people can uphold a boycott a whole 7 days???
Look. Boycotts are effective, but you gotta be stubborn. It’s gotta be “boycott from now on” with no end date.
Otherwise, it’ll just look like normal fluctuations in their business.
“Oh, this week was slightly down…ah, but then it stopped. We’re good!”
But if you boycott forever, then their numbers continuously go down. And if you get other people boycotting, those numbers go down faster.
THAT’S how you make an impact.
How do you get people who can’t see themselves boycotting indefinitely? You get them used to it by getting them on board to boycott for a fixed length of time. Ideally, as they warm up to the idea, you get them to boycott for longer.
True, but 7 days isn’t enough time for that. I’ve gone weeks between purchasing the kinds of things Amazon delivers, so it’d just be normal. 2+ months is probably better. Especially if those months are Nov & Dec.
Some people can’t even handle a 1-day boycott. I think you’re overestimating the average person’s tolerance for discomfort.
I don’t even understand what people buy so often. I can easily go a month without buying a new physical item that’s not like, food
I really don’t get it either, how much shit do people need!?
Yeah but it lets people feel like they’ve boycotted. Which isn’t coddling/faux activism so much as it is starter-activism. We don’t want activism to seem hard… even though we know that effective activism pretty much requires meaningful changes to behaviour which often brings discomfort. People are really out of practice and our goal is getting people into the habit
Too late. If not buying unnecessary shit they don’t need from a particular retailer that could be replaced by any other during a previously delimited week seems revolutionary to them… I’m sorry but… They are a huge part of the problem.
I have ordered from them line 5 or 6 times, subscribed for a year because I wanted to watch a series by terry Pratchett, and never again interacted with it in the past 8 years or so. You are not boycotting food or water or oxygen.
In 1995 we boycotted Shell for environmental reasons and it worked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Spar
Towing of the platform to its final position began on 11 June. By this time, the call for a boycott of Shell products was being heeded across much of continental northern Europe, damaging Shell’s profitability as well as brand image. […]
On 20 June, Shell had decided that their position was no longer tenable, and withdrew their plan to sink the Brent Spar […]
So it needed more than a week of concerted boycott action to bring big business into trouble, but not unlimited boycott.
That boycott had a demand attached, to prevent the sinking of the Brent Spar buoy. Effectively “unlimited” boycott until Shell gave into the demand.
This and the last no shop Friday thing seem mostly pointless. I mean fuck Amazon for sure but shouldn’t there be some goal? “Boycott Amazon until X, Y, and Z” not “No buy from Amazon for a week but then we’ll be back so no worries!”
The implicit demand is to stop supporting fascists.
for a week
Implicit demands are for mob bosses and boat owners. If you’re threatening a corporation you need to be clear and direct.
Less
We are boycotting Amazon products until they stop be bad
More
We are boycotting Amazon products until they make another season of The Expanse
Or whatever. Clear, concrete, demands.
Okay, so start boycotting Amazon now and don’t stop.
Do you guys really rely on Amazon so much that one week without feels like a protest? Seriously?
I’ve genuinely never used amazon to shop, not even once, but only because it’s always been the more expensive option compared to smaller shops. Right now seeing 5070ti tuf goes for 1400 on amazon, 1300 at my local store.
I will admit it’s been super convenient if I need shampoo or toner or drinks or dozens of other things to just take 60 seconds to order it from Amazon and it’s here in a couple days. Well it used to be. Now things often take many days to ship. I canceled Prime about 6 months ago.
You just listed things that you can pick up at any number of local stores. That stupid convenience of ordering crap instead of just adding it to the shopping list is why people think going a week without using Amazon will “disrupt the system.” This is exactly the problem.
It’s kinda sad, I’ve been back and forth with online ordering actually being a “logistical god-send” for our chaotic consumerism. I mean think about it, one full delivery truck that can bring in a full neighborhoods worth of goods for the week/day versus every single car being driven to only transport a portion or less of a trunk (sometimes driving out for even one item).
In a perfect “non-monopoly/Amazon couldn’t exist world” where everyone could plan ahead and have everything shipped, you could save on store/display costs (including environmental) and just have a smaller distribution center from semi-trucks to box trucks for local deliveries. Could even go from box truck to local end point distribution (biking,etc) so city spaces could go car-less. Keep the local farmers/co-op markets for socializing/freshest produce-shipping and bob’s your uncle.
Instead we have the worlds most horrific amalgamation where you have underpaid people in fucking V8 trucks delivering a few bags of groceries someone has “door dashed” from the local grocery store or just a burger from a local joint so they don’t have to cook because they only have an hour of free time a day.
I’m canceling Prime here in Brazil mostly because it’s getting more and more expensive, the selection of products with free shipping is getting smaller and I don’t even watch anything anymore on Prime Video. I realized the only reason I still have it is inertia from the good times when it costed me $2 a month—years ago.
It shows that Amazon was probably operating at a loss before to bankrupt the local competition, but now that they raised prices and offer less, it’s actually becoming a worse deal.
Here’s the thing. If I could shop somewhere else I would. Do you know what sets Amazon apart from other places? It’s their delivery, pure and simple. I ordered 3 TV’s from Best Buy. It took them a week to ship them. I had to pay for shipping on top of the $600 I spent. On the day I was supposed to receive them I was home all day. I got a notification they were an hour out. So I went outside and waited for them to arrive. They never arrived, but i got an email telling me they had stopped by but I wasn’t home.
So I had to go down to their depot to pick them up. I am stuck using public transit so Imagine trying to get 3 40 inch TV’s home on a bus. I ended up having to get a cab half way home with money I couldn’t afford to spend just to get it all home.
So for me, That is the main reason I buy from Amazon. Although lately I’ve been shopping with Uber from Walmart.
And Fuck Purolator.
I haven’t bought a single TV in my whole life and I haven’t missed anything important. Whenever I am somewhere where there’s a TV and I’ve got nothing better to do or I’m just curious I zap through the channels whithout finding anything remotely interesting or entertaining 99% of the time. I really wonder what people want with these ad-infested, annoying trashcans. Aren’t you dumb enough, yet? Try heavy drinking. Preferrably methanol or break fluid…
Americans really dont know how to protest…
“Vote with your wallets” is a common expression among Americans after all.
Amazon breaking new records after the “protest”
hey, come on, this is a good start. It should be replaced with a complete boycott, but both americans with impulse control will propably boycott amazon. For the rest, it’s a great start and you can bet it will not be the last.
My hope would be that some people realize they don’t need it after all and cancel their subscriptions and such.
I wonder if Amazon is pushing these “protests” to drown out the real ones.
Or how about you just stop buying from that cancerous blight on our society altogether?
Haven’t bought almost anything from Amazon in decades. I think Jeff Bezos got like 13 $ from me. Ever. Period.
There have always been better or just as good deals elsewhere (i.e. eBay). And I think that people do not realize that more than 50% of offered stuff can be obtained CHEAPER when bought directly from the seller/producer.
Just write an eMail and… off you go.
Dude, same. It’s been about ten years since my wife and I stopped buying from amazon. Never have I had a problem finding the things I need on eBay or Craigslist or straight from the seller.
Just order some new headphones directly from Lenovo that were the exact price as on amazon and even had free two day shipping and don’t require me to have an account. Great, no issues.
For other things, people for the love of god please buy used and local as much as you can. I live in a smaller town and can find soooooo much shit locally. Not everything but I’d say most everyday things!
I mostly shop on eBay now. Way better anyway.
I really liked ebay like 20 years ago. Now at least here, it’s just for people dropshipping stuff or sell stuff super overpriced. Like more expensive than new. It’s such a weird place.
I avoid them as much as possible purely because their in-house logistics company recently started doing their deliveries here instead of DHL, and they are absolutely terrible. Delivery times range from 7 AM to 9 PM and they just leave the package in front of your door without even ringing the doorbell
as much as possible
Americans are great at mental gymnastics and making excuses to get out of things when it becomes slightly inconvenient or requires effort.
That’s why you lose and keep losing.There’s always a cost to convenience, but many are not paying attention.
many are not paying attention
Deliberately sticking your head in the sand for some profit or convenience is not the same.
That’s an excuse.
LOL, I’m boycotting Amazon since 2007, at least. Good luck!
Me too, 2010ish though. I wish I could figure out how to boycott AWS. As an aged developer with a little bit of influence, I’ve steered plenty of clients, employers, and peers away, but I still use the internet. There’s no detaching from that.
This is off topic, but as a new developer (about to graduate) I’m having a tough time envisioning places to work. Ideally once I get enough experience I can be more choosy (non profit work is my goal) in the meantime I need experience.
Based on what you can infer about me from being on Lemmy in this thread, do you have any advice for a new developer in regards to fun or ethical work?
Absolutely, and thanks for asking. Also, congrats! I’d recommend looking at credit unions (US/Canada) and higher ed. Both are non-profits and good stepping stones. Either can be a career if you don’t want a ‘stepping stone.’ Depending on how altruistic you want to be, you can find either that serve underserved communities. CUs pay better, but are more corporate and demanding. Higher ed doesn’t pay as well, but is more laid back if you can ignore politics, which there is a ridiculous amount of. I worked at a HBCU (US) for a long time, and it was pretty great. Depending on where you are, it’s usually pretty easy to find an open spot at either.
Thanks for taking the time to respond I appreciate it.
Would be better to plan this a little farther out but I am already on a permanent boycott so I support this obviously.
How exactly will this disrupt the system?
Wouldn’t it be easier to disrupt the system by—I don’t know—something old & boring like ask everyone to clean out/close their bank accounts at the same time to cause a run on banks?
Where do people come up with these weaker ideas? Trump’s inane actions might disrupt the economy more than these efforts.
I already pulled my retirement.
Was it not in a 401k or something?
It was. Is there a good reason why I should be confident that the money will still be there IF I get to retire? Should I expect even to live that long? I feel it’s better invested in a house and land out near the middle of nowhere.
Tax-free growth, beating inflation, diversification to mitigate risk & lessen volatility (eg, not putting eggs all in 1 basket). Markets always have risk: if you’re really afraid of risk, you can shift to mostly low-risk types of investments (bonds, money market, cash equivalents, etc). Real estate is typically considered riskier.
Retirement isn’t necessary: qualified distributions (no tax penalty) only require reaching a certain age or any of the many exceptions (including terminal illness). Early distribution with tax penalty is always possible.
It’s all basic information a certified financial planner or advisor or some articles on the internet can tell you.
And why should I be confident that any of that is going to survive the next 4 years?
I want mega corps to fail, not spark a great depression.
Yeah, having like <5% of people put off buying stuff for a week isn’t going to do that.
Unfortunately at this point only something fairly world-changing is going to really do much. And it’s definitely going to get much worse before it gets better. Prepare for it.
You can’t have change without sacrifice.
Accelerationism is not the best way forward.
What’s the best way forward then?
Is this a joke? Like 2k people on fedi don’t buy anything from Amazon for a week?
These "economic blackout"s are completely futile. Especially if they only target a single service, or if they target a service as big as Amazon. If this blackout is for everything Amazon operates, you can’t use Twitch, or Fire TV, or Prime Video, or Fire devices, or Kindles, or any website that is run with AWS. You think normies are going to sacrifice all of that ease of use for a week, and even if in some alternate dimension they have any self control over their consumption, they’ll just go back to using Amazon.
Amazon will survive for 7 days. What about people all around the world that quite frankly don’t give a fuck about uspol? What about subscriptions? Invincible 3x8 comes out in this time period? Nobody will watch it? People will stop using a third of the Internet, their streaming slop devices, their e-celeb propaganda outlets? It simply won’t happen.
These blackouts are an immature way to “break the system, man”. They completely ignore the reasons why normies go to the slop mill in the first place. The general population has 0 self control over their spending. They will consume, and consume, and consume, until they die.
What got me is the upcoming one week Nestle and one week General Mills boycotts… Do the people who came up with these boycotts not realize that the stores that carry those products, already paid for those products? And the rebuttal to any skepticism is that it’ll at least get people used to not buying these products or shopping at these places. Do people really need to take baby steps? Is that how much we, as a society, are addicted to buying things? Pat yourself on the back America! Fascism may be quickly on the rise, but good work, you didn’t buy Cheerios for a whole week!
Wellp, at least we can torrent the new Invincible season
Shit’s great
Haven’t used Amazon for 1.5 years already
This is great and all, but here’s a bonus challenge: don’t use Amazon ever fucking again!
Do it and you’re cool!! Even though I haven’t used it in awhile, I have the app downloaded. I’m going to uninstall it as soon as I post this comment.
Or use it as a product search engine, then go to the supplier or an alternate online store to buy the one you want. I don’t have it on my phone but do go to it in browser occasionally for that.
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Yeah that’s basically all I used it for over the last year anyway. Any product on Amazon that isn’t junk probably has it’s own site in my experience
Just delete your account already.
Can’t - they practically monopolized china reshipment and white labeling In US.
Best u can do - check qlibaba, temu, AliExpress first and order from there
Lol no, cuz then my option is Walmart and I ain’t doing that.
Target? I’ve moved a bunch of my shopping there, and they have pretty fast shipping as well.
I believe they’re already under a 40 day boycott
Hmm, that’s about how often I shop there. Accidental boycott I guess?
I deleted all my amazon accounts a few weeks ago, and have no plans to go back. When I order things now, I’ll just order through the vendor instead of Amazon, I can live with it taking longer or costing a bit more.
I boycott Amazon years ago already, when a warehouse of people died because employees were told that the government’s tornado warning was just hyperbole.
Amazon is an evil company that treats its workers like garbage, and practices some of the most vile anti-union practices.
I cancelled my Amazon Prime account and never bought a single item through Amazon anymore. I don’t buy anything from Temu either, by the way.
That warehouse disaster was horrible. Those poor souls. May they rest in peace.
A boycott or strike with an end date is seldom effective.
See for instance Reddit
Not necessarily. The employees of airlines have been quite impactful with partial, random strikes in a method called CHOAS. Not everyone will strike at the same time and their strikes only last a few hours- enough to cause problems for the flight they’ve been scheduled on. This hurts the company without harming too many customers and has been effective in the past as a strike strategy.
Think of a partial strike as a warning that more could follow if demands aren’t meet.
Difference here: Amazon being owned by a man worth fucking $200 BILLION, any temporary disruption will hardly register on the grande scale of his wealth.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Yes, this isn’t the best way to harm Amazon, but small, targeted boycotts can drive change. And I bet, if you try living without Amazon for a week, you’ll find replacements and it’ll be easier to move away from them long-term
And I bet, if you try living without Amazon for a week, you’ll find replacements and it’ll be easier to move away from them long-term
Exactly.
