Marjorie Taylor Greene, a prominent Republican congresswoman and a staunch ally of Trump, suggested a return to “measles parties” for children. She criticized contemporary attitudes towards vaccination, stating, “Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”
“I didn’t vaccinate my kids and the one that lived turned out fine!”
Survivorship bias at its finest
“The Shotgun Philosophy of Life”
…is that an actual quote from her? The world is getting so stupid that I genuinely could see this being legit from her.
I could also see it being a line on the simpsons, if the simpsons still had good writters.
“Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids.”
It’s pretty normal to demonize parents who abuse children.
You can’t cure stupidity…
Chuckles I’m in danger!
Just had a thought. What if we took a insignificant amount of the virus and injected it into people. This would allow them to develop antibodies so that if they do become exposed they are ready to fight it?
Probably safer then just exposing people to the virus. Could also do it to enough people that it virtually eradicatea the virus.
If something like that worked, scientists would have done it by now.
Youre right. Sorry. I’m so dumb.
This sounds like witchcraft. J/K
I have a better idea. What if we take the genetic code of the virus, inject it into people and have their own bodies produce many more virus particles so they get a stronger and more targeted immune response? Who knows, someone could win an important prize for that.
I read this and became autistic. Becareful people science makes you spicy.
Ben Franklin was anti-vax, but came around. Also these fuckwits are so dumb that they don’t know vaccines have been around throughout when America was “great” and way beyond.
I spent SO MUCH TIME during my pediatrics clinical rotation explaining vaccines to new parents. In some cases, I sat there for a literal hour and debunked myths and conspiracy theories in order to get the parents to consider maybe doing a delayed vaccination schedule. I’m a medical student, so my time is basically worthless and I viewed this as a good use of it, but it was so incredibly frustrating to have to do over and over.
For other folks who know anti-vax parents (new or not), here’s the best line of argument I came up with:
Vaccines have been around for a very long time now, and the only changes we’ve made to them recently is to make them better and safer. The preservatives in them like the mercury compound are perfectly safe, but we’ve still worked hard to improve the manufacturing process to minimize the need for those preservatives and make the vaccines as pure as possible.
Vaccines are made of little fragments of the virus or bacteria, or a modified, significantly weaker version of the pathogen to give your child’s immune system a chance to see it before the real thing shows up. It’s like giving your child’s immune system a wanted poster or a punching bag to practice on because it has to make special tools to fight each different pathogen.
The reason we load kids up with so many vaccines in the first year or two of life is because their immune systems are still growing and it’s an optimal time to introduce things for it to prepare for, and we want to give them some protection of their own before the antibodies from mom run out around 6 to 12 months of life.
We have decades of data showing that vaccines are safe and effective, and the complications and side effects are so minor compared to the problems that can come from the disease. And it’s usually around 1000:1 ratio of complications from the disease versus complications from the vaccine, and the vaccine complications are almost always less severe than the complications from the disease.
If you refuse vaccination for your child for reasons besides an anaphylactic allergy to the ingredients, you are gambling your child’s life with most of these diseases, and it would have been an entirely preventable death. Vaccines are very hard to make and we have prioritized making vaccines for the diseases that kill children. We don’t bother making vaccines for things that are just a nuisance, so the vaccines we have exist for very good reasons. For the most famous example, measles has about 5 different ways it can kill your child that are impossible to treat or prevent once they have it, and many ways to cause permanent damage. The known and most common side effects of the measles vaccine are pretty mild and can be easily treated with medications we have available.
Another worth noting is if an antivaxxer says “we don’t know what they put into vaccines”, respond with “we don’t know what they put in painkillers and yet you take them no problem”. Nine times out of ten, these antivaxxers would take painkillers willy nilly without question. Saying this makes them question their line of thought. Heck, the same could be said just about anything. We don’t know what cooks in restaurants put into the food we ordered, and yet there is no significant movement advocating to stop ordering takeaways or eating outside of home.
respond with “we don’t know what they put in painkillers and yet you take them no problem”
But we do know exactly what goes into both.
Saying this makes them question their line of thought.
They don’t think. There is no line of thought. They just react to memes with brainless conformity.
The sad thing about debunking is that you need to have direct contact with the person under a delusion to build rapport and need to be quite knowledgeable about the topic, but planting the the delusion can be done at a large scale by any eloquent doofus with time to spare. It’s so frustrating.
It is always harder to build than to destroy.
Counterpoint: putting two flat Lego pieces together.
We had our cats in for their annual checkups a few years back, and the vet noted they were due for their vaccinations. The way she said it, we could hear she was bracing for an argument. I wonder if someone had laid into her about it earlier that day.
We, of course, had the vaccinations done, much to her relief.
500,000 people a year used to die from polio every year. Death. Death is the side affects of not getting vaccinated.
My explanation is simpler: “The body learns how to fight diseases by eating killed viruses. A vaccine gives you dead viruses, so your body can learn without having to get hurt first. A measles party uses living viruses, so your kid might die or worse.”
Then show them the results.
Probably not accurate in detail, but hopefully good enough. If not, then the brevity will let you move onto someone who hasn’t abandoned their brain.
They’re not going to learn until they’re charged and convicted of homicide.
The courts are corrupted. It’s up to us to hold them accountable.
She thinks the measles are like chicken pox, pretty much harmless to young ones. My parents tried to get me sick in the 70s, that’s just how it was done before we had a chicken pox vaccine. Finally got it at 16, still have the scars nearly 40-years later. But I got my shingles vax!
She’s literally this stupid. Some things we see these nuts try to pull off make sense, from an evil point of view. This move is plain stupid, and because we’ve forgotten what measles are people will listen.
BTW, I’m 54 and just now learning what measles are and how bad it can be. I had no clue, because I’ve never met anyone that had it.
i had chickenpox as a kid, i remember the aveeno baths for it, we were set in the same room to “inonculate” the rest of the siblings. as there was no vaccine at the time. Chickenpox is quite severe for adults though. i did get shingles around 20yo though. theres is shingles to potentially turn severe, but its rare. shingles can cause meningitis, and encephalitis, as well as spinal cord damage.
people who arnt sure about thier chickenpox immunity can ask thier doctors to do antibody titers(it doesnt detect dormant chickenpox in your ganglia though because theres no way to detect it outside of autopsy), your doctor maybe reluctant to administer the test though.
When my husband moved to Germany from Russia, he had no idea whether he was vaccinated as a child or not (he very likely was, but there weren’t records he was aware of and his mom died early). So he went to the doctor’s to ask for titers. They said they could test that but he would have to pay out of pocket, and offered to just vaccinate him again for free. He went through all the children’s vaccines - including chicken pox, which wasn’t around when we were kids (90s). It is the simpler, more accessible, and cheaper alternative to titers.
Thank you for sharing that — especially with it being personal information. Like your husband, I moved to Germany and cannot check my vaccination history — at least not easily, being estranged from my relatives. Coming from Spain and having been born in the late 90s, I very likely received all the usual vaccines. Still, I’ve been wondering what I could do about this for years. I will ask my Hausärztin sometime.
no, it makes sense. devaluing human life, and spreading the idea that sometimes the weak just die, with nothing anyone can do about it, is very much something they want to do. plus, burying your children is one hell of a sunk cost.
that’s not to say she’s cognitively functional, but that’s why her masters won’t put their foot down.
Wait? I can get vaccinated for shingles after having chicken pox? Is that a thing?
Why are people debating measles vaccines again? The covid vaccine debate was stupid but I could kinda understand the concern there in comparison to this
RFK JR has OF COURse saying it isnt neccesary to vax against measles, he did only partially backtrack that by only adminstering 2000doses lol. remember RFK JR is the one that resulted in 86 children deaths in samoa.
What happened in Samoa? I assume RFK is that american health secretary that looks like he’s a demon in a human suit?
He went to Samoa and started demonizing the MMR vaccine to the point where a bunch of the island stopped vaccinating their kids.
Then they had a measles outbreak. 86 kids died from it. RFK Jr refuses to this day to admit any fault.
Consequences for letting people have their opinions when facts are right there.
The MMR (measels, mumps, rubella) vaccine is the one Wakefield was against. The OG of the vaccines cause autism movement.
Wasn’t that debunked though?
Thoroughly, yes, and the guy (Andrew Wakefield)was stripped of his medical license for malpractice because of it.
He did it so he could make money off selling those vaccines separately. It was always a fucking grift.
Elaborate? This sounds interesting
https://youtu.be/8BIcAZxFfrc?si=MfYlgp5rBM6O_6EH
Just watch this if you want to. It is entertaining.
Thanks to safety provided by vaccines, we are here to cancel said vaccines and empower people to kill their children by neglect and die on their own.
It all goes back to the BS “vaccines cause autism” thing.
The antivax movement goes back farther than Wakefield and the “causes autism” thing. That’s just when it became really popular.
i had no sympathy for anti-vax adults during covid, their choice to risk their lives. But children with basic vaccinations? their parents are taking the risk and they ones that didn’t choose are getting the consequences
One side takes the risk, the other side faces the consequences.
Are we still talking about parents/children? Because that also applies to republican politicians/everybody else
It’s so weird that they don’t want abortions to be legal but they basically want spontaneous death to happen after birth.
That’s because they aren’t pro-life, they’re pro-birth. After you’re born, unless your parents are rich, you can fuck off and die in a gutter for all they care.
“Life is a sacred gift” but housing assistance or healthcare for all is a bridge too far? Lmao.
Yay, baby gambling!
But on the serious note, they want poor to be confused, miserable and desperate. They themselves take all the best healthcare, all shots and boosters, but they want for pandemic to happen because it would occupy ordinary people’s minds and also give the government additional abilities to control everyone, while the collapsing market would once again benefit the rich and make poor even poorer. There’s no downside for the likes of MTG, Trump and RFK as long as they are in power.
I was a kid when they were first developing the vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella (we called it German measles). So my brothers and I all got every one of them. I remember being sick with them, and with one of the measles types (don’t remember which). I was so sick I though I was gonna die. I’ll never forget lying there, even thinking of certain things made me puke (or dry heave) so I had to concentrate on not thinking of anything. I remember puking so hard it came out my nose. One of my brothers was so sick, his fever was so high, they took him to the hospital.
Do parents really want to put their children through this instead of a shot? WTF
should be child abuse
Long before there was a vaccine, I developed meningitis from a measles infection. Luckily my parents weren’t idiots and took me to the hospital. I ran a high fever, had febrile convulsions and hallucinated. Afterwards, I was over-sensitive to light for at least a week. Anyone who would inflict that on a kid belongs in prison or worse.
Just some of the ones that were vaccinated against measles.
I assume it’s more about the parents high-fiving each other over really sticking it to the man or something. It’s just one of the results of rampant anti-intellectualism. The kids are just a random collateral in that circlejerk of those brake pads of evolution.
I don’t think it’s that. I think they’ve been brainwashed by anit-vax propaganda into truly being afraid of vaccines, combined with not understanding how severe these diseases are and how serious the consequences of not vaccinating can be.
We need to make it a priority to teach critical thinking skills in schools.
Now, they demonize parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids
They should have kicked their skulls in before even thinking of having children
Lack of sex ed and no access to family planning services creates a whole bunch of idiots breeding more idiots
Thanks, conservative Christians, for decades of public instruction in abstinence only, for cultural supremacy of purity culture (I’m thinking specifically of the early 90s/00s where churches were all teaching the same curriculum and so many of the hottest celebrities all said they were waiting for marriage).
Knowing nothing about how relationships should work, how to navigate emotional problems effectively, or what red flags to look out for has sure made relationships and communities stronger, all across the country.
We need to fight back against the Christians. We have suffered under their oppression long enough
Arrest her for attempted homicide
Laws are not made for the rich and in line. Its made for us. We can complain all we want but we should be able to all see this pattern by now
That moron again? Someone fire her please!
Out of a cannon? Into the sun?
Out of a trebuchet pointed at a wall.
Trebuchet yes, but still at the sun. No, she won’t reach. That’s okay. Parabolas are beautiful. Don’t @ me.
I am thankful that I can upvote your comment without fear of loss of access to information.
Out of a canon.
Into the sun.
She’s a House Representative. As long as the public in her district in, I believe, Georgia, keeps wanting her to be the one to speak for them, she’s gonna stay.
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Georgia’s 14th district.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia's_14th_congressional_district
She is the best representative Georgia chooses to send. They like being just this fucking dumb. Send her once, you got tricked. Send her twice? You’re just stupid and obviously angry enough to hurt everyone else just because you’re in pain.
shes in a safe district, cant say the same for ms BOEBOE, whom she is frenemies with.
Psychotic Bitch Promotes Child Murder
FTFY
