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No, man. People are sounding like these prices are fixed, when we’ve seen time and time again that crypto prices are cyclical.
Now’s a time to buy. ETH is at a 50% discount. Your assets would be in a pretty good spot right now if you’d bought Bitcoin in 2017 when it “crashed” to $4000 per unit. I picked up shares of EZBC at an average of $32 a share (currently hovering between $45-$50 in a supposed crash) and XRP at 50 to 75 cents, currently hovering around $2.10.
What you do is invest, and then just forget about it and let those assets sit. Investing is about forward-thinking.
They are as cyclical as people are cyclical for falling for confidence scams again and again and again … You can consider something based on how good an investment it is, or based on how ethical it is. Very seldom will both work out. People, don’t cry about the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer, assholes behaving more like assholes, and inflation skyrocketing when you normalize and even crowdsource this sort of relationship with your economy. Don’t be surprised when the society that surrounds you is so burnout all you have to spend your money on is shit.
Now’s a time to buy.
Never is it a good time to invest in a ponzi scheme. It’s just a matter of playing “Greatest Fool”.
“Greatest fool” description relies on the precept of its utility or demand returning to zero in a near-future timeframe. If people have utility for “the thing”, that won’t be the case.
There is no utility really, for ponzicoins. You can’t make anything from it. You can use it to make anything. You can’t eat it. You can’t hydrate with it. And you can’t use the notes to summon military aid.
I suppose you can buy drugs with it. Maybe.
So yes, it’s a Greatest Fool game.
Yes, for the limited subset of ERC20s or whatever you describe as “ponzicoins”. Things that actually do nothing, particular not doing anything more than L1 cryptos but “this is yet another token”, are not really adding any value. But I would be really surprised if you can name any more complex contracts than ERC20s (or ERC721s), which is where the work in the space actually goes.
“Work”
Yes, work. Smart contracts are designed, programmed and, if they’re done right, rigorously audited for correctness. Then you have user-facing interface and everything surrounding that as well. Look at the documentation of AAVE, for one example.
And this isn’t even getting into the protocol level (L1 or L2) work either. Bitcoin was relatively simple, Ethereum is not. They’ve spent years crafting these systems to function for PoS, L2 support, sharding, rollups, etc., at scale.
Smart contracts are designed, programmed and, if they’re done right, rigorously audited for correctness.
What do these “smart contracts” make? And why do we need to burn up tons of fossil fuels, just to have contracts like we had before?
And how is this better than a typical contract?
Bitcoin was relatively simple, Ethereum is not.
Both are simple ponzi schemes.
They’ve spent years crafting these systems to function for PoS, L2 support, sharding, rollups, etc., at scale.
And all that time, they are still ponzi schemes that do none of the above very well. We’ve had all of that in the merchant payment systems for decades now, all without the need to consume more electricity than many small nations, just to approve a transaction.
Totally, friend. Brilliant response.
We’ve seen time and time again that not all crypto prices are cyclical. Ethereum has been performing poorly relative to BTC. If you’re just going to forget about it, then you should avoid proof of stake! When you log back in you’ll see that everyone who staked was sitting on a musical chair and you’re not.
Plus, it’s run by a central foundation that bailed itself out when the DAO flopped. Requires attention at best.
A thousand upvotes? Is this reddit?
I didn’t even know the counter could go to 4 digits.
It doesn’t happen often, but when it does it’s the equivalent of going viral around here lol
What’s the exchange rate of Reddit karma to Lemmy nothings?
1,763.64:1
From 97 million active users from reddit vs 55k users from Lemmy.
stonks
Well, at least you won’t find bots farming karma
yet
Reddit karma uses a logarithmic function to determine the karma on a post. The first upvotes give 1 karma each, but the higher the number gets the less karma you get from additional upvotes.
This isn’t even some theory based on observations, the reddit algorithm used to be completely open source so you can see how it works on github (or at least how it used to work 7 years ago).
Front page reddit posts with 50k points most likely have over a million upvotes in reality
1k upvotes here is like the equivalent of 50k on Reddit (probably I’m operating on dated info, who knows how much they screwed with the upvoting system by now lmao)
Welcome to the private forum ;)
I wouldn’t even really call this a private forum, though. Anybody can join for free with minimal effort.
Now, SomethingAwful is a private forum, I paid them ten bucks to join. And to be honest I like their style. It’s a cheap one time payment for permanent membership but if you’re being an asshole and get yourself perma banned, you’re going to pay another tenner to rejoin. It’s a great anti-troll and anti-botting feature.
I don’t think that strategy would work well for the Fediverse and I don’t recommend it as such. But that’s what I’d consider a “private forum”.
What is an “Ethereum”? Some sort of subscription?
Ethereum is a petroleum based lube used in gay porn. When multiple dudes double dock during an orgy, that’s called a block chain. The ethereum on their foreskins creates an immutable ledger.
A cryptocurrency that recently lost a lot of its value
I can’t wait for people to realize they’re all in a pyramid scheme together. I’m sick of hearing bros saying crypto should be part of my portfolio.
I’m sick of not hearing people saying that stocks and the rest of the casino economy are the exact same scam.
I don’t disagree, but there’s at least some capital and speculative value behind those companies. Crypto is straight up arbitrarily finite.
If you can hold it long-term, it’s a fantastic investment.
If you’re a day trader that can’t look away from the charts for more than five minutes, then crypto definitely isn’t a good idea for you.
It never had any value, like all other crypto currencies. But it was used to fake value and dupe people out of their money.
Value isn’t necessarily something tangible. It’s what other people think it’s worth. The USD doesn’t have any more value than the belief people put in it. Do you also think it has no value?
I’m not defending crypto speculation, but it’s ignorant to say it doesn’t have value if you can buy things with it. Basically all modern money is based on faith, including crypto. Even when it’s based on gold or silver, that’s aren’t actually useful for most people so it’s still made up value worth however much people value that.
The usd has value created by virtue of being backed by the usa government. It is not just faith based.
With the current administration, I’d argue we are definitely in “faith based” money right now.
It was originally based on a gold reserve and then taken off to become a fiat currency. Trump is talking about potentially not paying back debts owned to other governments. Definitely sounds faith based to me, there’s nothing hard backing it.
That’s completely meaningless and worthless though, especially since that racist empire is literally destroying the planet with its petrol-dollars.
Money does not run on morals.
I don’t think it’s worth the discussion, but comparing a fiat currency like the US dollar with crypto currency is a false equivalence argument. They aren’t even comparable.
I didn’t say they’re equivalent. I said both of them have value that is imaginary. Crypto currencies have value if you can purchase things with them. It just makes you sound dumb to say it doesn’t have value. That’s not the correct argument to make against it.
You just compared them by calling them both currencies.
Basically all modern money is based on faith, including crypto.
Ok, sure, however, fiat currencies are based on the faith that there’s at least one entire nation that you can use your currency in, and is motivated to ensure their currency is worth something, and has some semblance of stability. Crypto is based on the faith that there’s other dumbasses out there that will agree with you that these particular bits hold value for some reason.
I’m sorry, but at this point I honestly have more faith in the latter than the former. I just don’t have any faith in America at all.
Ok I’m talking about fiat currency as a concept though, not the USD specifically.
If your point is that fiat currencies are still vulnerable to some instability, then sure, I guess I agree, but fiat currencies are still orders of magnitude more stable than cryptocurrencies.
If a state converted from paper money to crypto, the only discernible differences would be like more computers, more transparency, less middlemen, etc. Crypto is literally just a new (distributed, open) form of accounting.
Crypto is based on the faith that there’s other dumbasses out there that will agree with you
And that’s the most beautiful thing about crypto that got lost in all the speculation, shitcoin, scams, and nft bullshit. A currency of the people for the people, but of course, when the pigs came into power they were the same as the old farmers.
Sure. I’m not disagreeing with that, just that it doesn’t have value. It does. Just because it’s made up doesn’t mean it doesn’t have value, as long as someone is willing to buy it from you.
I don’t like these uses of crypto either. It’s just a really stupid argument to say it doesn’t have value. There are plenty of valid arguments that can be made against it without making something up like that.
Right, and I’m not arguing that cryptocurrency doesn’t have value, just that it’s value is based on a much less solid foundation than the value of fiat currency.
Yo, don’t be bad-mouthing our soon-to-be currency. Scams and money laundering were never this easy.
It’s a pretty old cryptocoin: initally released back in 2015, and a significant change deployed in 2022. It was then when they changed from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake, which basically means that they don’t use mining anymore to keep the network running. They use like 1% of energy compared to PoW coins.
Also they have some smart contract capabilities which I suppose Ethereum people think are important. But I’ve never seen any practical use for that stuff.
Still, I think Eth is one of the cryptos that actually tries to be useful and efficient in some way and not just a stupid pump and dump scheme. Turns out, nobody gives a fuck about that, perhaps?
Also they have some smart contract capabilities which I suppose Ethereum people think are important. But I’ve never seen any practical use for that stuff.
Anything you need complicated multi-party interactions for that you want guarantees on. Real estate escrow comes to mind first. Depository accounts with yield. An immutable archive of records. Multi-signature corporate treasuries. Whatever. It’s programmable money. It’s not even necessarily monetary, because smart contracts can just deal with arbitrary data.
Never impressive to see a technical audience shit all over Ethereum for internet points. By far the least scammy crypto people have actually dedicated years into building something real on.
Would be great if they got some of that out there.
I reckon most of that already is. A real estate escrow smart contract is maybe 200-300 lines long in Solidity, depending of course on what it supports (contingencies and such). You may want to actually go look around, because there’s I don’t know how many millions of lines of Solidity already written. It doesn’t all get as much publicity as NFTs.
Respectfully, I think it’s just you. Ethereum smart contracts are universally publicized and utilized in the crypto community, and it’s why people were/are interested in the project. Many other coins are built on top of this technology. It’s pretty foundational. If you look into crypto any deeper than just buying and selling it, then the topic should have come up pretty much immediately.
Haha yeah I made this comment mostly to see if I could meme some anger out of someone. Got some nice explanations though.
oh whoops
Not like it was obvious lol
I think crypto is good for transactions, not storing money.
Like, crypto in general sucks, but digital anonymous money transfer is almost impossible without it.
The underlying tech is actually very cool and neat, unfortunately it got co-opted by cryptobros and bastardized :(
So energy intensive though. There has to be a less wasteful way to do proof of work
Ethereum’s been proof-of-stake rather than proof-of-work for couple of years now, so it’s no longer energy intensive.
There inherently can’t be a way to make proof of work lies wasteful as long as there are people who want to do the work. If you make hardware more, then it makes it cheaper to do the same amount of work, so people buy more hardware and do more work and more power gets used. If you make hardware less efficient, people just use the old hardware. You have to abandon proof of work altogether and switch it to something else that isn’t inherently tied to energy usage.
I was hoping the work could be to solve protein folding or something.
But I guess that’s not how the ‘crypto’ part could ever work.
Check out gridcoin. They tried tying that to science projects.
I think I saw this meme for the first time in 2017
What’s funny is that, in 2017, the ETH high was something like $12. (It got up to $1300 in 2018)
Now, it’s sitting at $2000 and it’s a “crash”.
The lesson here is to buy the dip and then check back in 5-10 years.
that is the rule with all crypto. just pick one of the 40 thousand made, but it, wait a decade then sell it.
*checks ETH price*
Am I missing something? I’ve been staking since the switch. I’m doing just fine.
It feels tacky to point this out, but that is just vaginas. The open wallet? What are we doing.
Brother, really? Have you even seen one before? 🤔
They’re obviously made of polygons.
Lara Croft agrees
God damn! Have a little sensitivity lol
Ah yes the price is returning to where it was 4 months ago just like the stock market. So people who have been buying at the peak for the past 4 months might have lost some money. Otherwise it’s still up like 10000000% historically.
Nobody cares except the anti-crypto ideologues with their misinformed memes.
This is what happens when you don’t use crypto as god intended: purchasing medication from India and subscriptions to indexers.
Purchase Bitcoin right before purchase. Watch the spare change left over go up and down and imagine all the millions you could be winning or losing.
