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Who the fuck actually votes on posts? Regardless of the forum.
yeah thats most of the internet for you.
Unless you’re shitposting, or actually on a good topic, it’s an absolute clusterfuck of a place.
Lemmy isn’t immune, I had a recent encounter that rubbed me wrong recently in a redditish way. It’s quickly gone downhill here, I’m sure before too long, just like reddit I’ll turn to lurk only then go away as the posts themselves become mostly intolerable.
It’s all the toxic moderation thats turning lemmy into reddit 2.0. You can’t be blunt because it hurts some removed boy’s feelings
Is it though?
I’ve been feeling like it’s been getting better, not worse. But maybe I’m not engaging in the posts where my thoughts are seen as controversial anymore.
Possibly, it’s a shark tank, be positive, never any nuanced opinions, keep swimming forward in the pack and you are ok. Any blood in the water and you get torn apart. Most people are genuinely nice but the amount of terrible and loud people online is frightening and/or depressing.
Yep, it’s one of the most annoying thing about the site.
Yeah, good thing Lemmy is so much… better…
I think it is a little bit. People who own up and admit to their mistake shouldn’t be downvoted. Everyone makes mistakes, but it’s not always easy to admit. That’s why sharing sources is important too
It’s definitely something
Of all the entities that exist on the internet, this is by far one y them.
“I posted incorrect information and then people downvoted it, so now people can’t see the incorrect information I posted! This site is horrible!”
Sounds like it’s working as advertised. Don’t post incorrect info if you don’t like downvvotes. Upvotes mean “more people should read this.” Why do people need to read you being wrong? How is that a good contribution?
They’re complaining that their admission of being wrong was getting downvoted, not about the main post.
Down it, coward. You’ll only be downvoting a man
If I remember the ancient days correctly, you were supposed to downvote incorrect info so it wouldn’t appear at the top? You weren’t supposed to downvote if you disagreed but if it was wrong info? Am I hallucinating that?
I believe you were “supposed” to upvote/downvote by whether the comment contributes to the discussion and community.
Those were still the rules when I left last year. People will upvote misinformation in the face of proof on there and here on lemmy.
If a platform puts arrow buttons on everything people say, and tell you that up means you get “points”, it’s a social metric. At this point if you’re trying to create a consensus metric, you’ll have to think of something else. It’s too ingrained in us.
Lemmy has no total score anymore, so the up and down votes only matter in the topic layer. I think that’s the best solution rn. There’s no big incentive any longer to point farm.
but also no disincentive to troll.
On Lemmy there is disincentive to troll right? If you’re being too much of a troll you might get thrown out of your instance for making it look bad. Unless you selfhost of course. I’m not sure why botspam from selfhosted lemmy’s is not a bigger problem to be honest. You can deferate them but it’s easy to make new ones.
Also even when some are trolling, the up/down vote will not gain/lose attention for the troll. Trolls love attention.
The lack of karma means participation is there not whether it is a troll or regular.
Unless it is spam, almost no one is punished/rewarded for participating.
This kind of information is all suppressed now, but early on when Facebook only had likes, there was a lot of discussion on how downvotes weren’t really needed. It was believed that people engaged more with content they enjoyed, and ignored unfavorable content.
This is wildly wrong. People obsessively engage with content they hate, to the extent that it probably makes more sense to only have a down vote button. Everyone knows that now, and the big sites uses psychological studies funded by casinos to gamify engagement, entirely in the pursuit of click-pennies.
What do votes mean? On lemmy it seems nothing. On other sites they mean revenue for the owners.
I have never cared for human nature. It’s tedious at best and often ghastly. We should all concern ourselves much more with human nurture.
To put it plainly, we should not be letting corporations do research on how to manipulate our most base instincts on social media. That would have been a moderate solution a century ago. Now we would need a more radical approach, such as outlawing most forms of advertising content and social media manipulation. And even raising the topic probably makes me sound insane.
Except youtube, because dislikes were only used to call out scams and ads. The ad people got mad and now misinformation is easier to spread.
I wouldn’t say ‘only’. There were a lot of downvoted things that were just controversial.
You were supposed to upvote the best version of each argument/position or additional info and downvote the rest. Instead the site is the most popular opinion presented 6 different ways.
It’s always the insecure people that give a shit about down votes.
Thanks, u/cumskin_genocide
What’s wrong with my username?
I hated downvotes on Reddit because like merely 5 would silence all anti honeymoon’s sentiment. This place, your can have a million downvotes but the comment is still there so i just count em as engagement points. Someone felt strongly, that means i wrote something worth reading in a way
That’s because -5 was the default threshold for a comment being automatically hidden on reddit. Most people never bothered to change the setting.
Ah i didn’t know it could be changed either
Also, not having a total karma count kinda makes up/down vote ratio on any individual comment or post irrelevant
I can’t even see downvotes on here and I quite like it. If someone can’t be bothered to actually tell me why I’m wrong I don’t care much about their opinion anyway.
This depends on your client. A lot of them hide responses in the same way Reddit did.
You see, the problem is that you’re genuinely concerned by virtual points
His problem is that he’s wrong.
> caring about downvotes
mfw when 🥱
If you are attached to whether you’re attracting downvotes or upvotes you are setting yourself for disappointment for no reason. Just say your thing.
I agree with you 100%. Have a downvote.
I agree 100%. It just sucks when I go out of my way to post a thoughtfully-worded comment so I can positively contribute to Lemmy, only to have someone nitpick my comment and reply with an “Um, aktshually” and a downvote. The downvote brigading on Lemmy seems even more punitive than it was on Reddit; of course this varies largely depending on the post’s subject matter and instance.
This happens on Lemmy as well.
Better yet: on Lemmy it doesn’t matter if you’re right or wrong, support yourself with facts or have someone else do it, admit mistake or not…if what you post isn’t in alignment with the overall masses, it’s
jaildownvotes.You’d think this would only happen on political subjects. But nope, got downvoted today for commenting on Godzilla buoyancy.
Well, is he buoyant or not?
Apparently. But the discussion was about how he achieves his buoyancy. But if you’d like to downvote my responses, feel free to pick any comment from my recent history.
Should have been lazy like me and just posted a picture of a duck. Lol
I thought your comments were interesting.
🙏 Bless!
Imma upvote just to spite you then
I thought he had really long expandable legs.
Make a comment about something other than beans or jeans?
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Thats something entirely different though. Using votes to show disagreement/agreement makes sense as a tool of democratic communication. This goes for comments that contain statements.
OP describes a “jail” type of usage, where there is nothing to disagree but people downvote amyways (to feel superior maybe), wich sucks cause it reads like hate
right to jail
It does for sure, but not as often in my experience. Reddit is just entirely full of teenagers now that think the downvote button is a dislike button
It happened to me when I mistakenly said that people with “ski” endings to their surname are Jewish Poles when it in fact apparently only means they have Polish ancestry and nothing about their religion lol
or you’re just buried in bullshit copypasta from lemmygrad
This getting downvoted 🤌
The default lemmy client allows hiding all votes though. And it doesn’t seem like the comments are sorted by their votes.
Source?
Trust me, bro
If I give any kind of opinion I can understand downvotes on a comment of mine, but the totally innocuous ones that get downvoted are always funny.
i think it’s just herd mentality. People see downvotes and then go “yeah downvote bad, me grug, me downvote comment also”
the amount of posts i saw about some negative thing that had comments that were like “i almost downvoted this” was concerning.
Often there are multiple ways to interpret a poster’s intentions, and if you see a heavily downvoted comment you will automatically assume the worst.
I have made some bold political takes and gotten burned.
But I have also mentioned I could afford to buy a case of beer coming home from work 15 years ago, and likewise been burned.
This fuckin guy
The fool! He has fallen for the oldest trap there is
My favorite random downvotes on Reddit were the threads where for some damned reason a single reply that often said the same thing as the others, or continued some chain, would get absolutely obliterated.
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
Honestly though, part of it. Internet weirdos gonna internet weirdo. Source : am internet weirdo
Transcendence is not giving a fuck and being confidently wrong.
sometimes i like to just, say the wrong opinion, for no reason other than i think it’s funny. But also educational to watch how people react to things.
I didn’t downvote you ❤️
The word you’re looking for might be “trolling”. Which isn’t bad, by all means, as long as you recognize what’s happening
