Summary
China condemned JD Vance on Tuesday for calling Chinese people “peasants” in a Fox News interview, where he said, “To make it a little more crystal clear, we borrow money from Chinese peasants to buy the things those Chinese peasants manufacture.”
The Chinese Foreign Ministry labeled the remarks “ignorant and disrespectful.”
The backlash exploded on Chinese social media, garnering 140 million Weibo views.
Critics mocked Vance’s own “hillbilly” background and pointed to China’s advanced tech and infrastructure, highlighting rising tensions amid Trump’s trade war.
I never thought I would say, “You Go China!!” (Is that bad?)
No. Considering present-day America and China, one of those nations is far more reliable and far more stable.
ML, grad and hexbear are patiently waiting for your apologies. Sad that the line the US had to cross wasn’t imperialism and genocide, but losing decorum and imposing tariffs on treats…
I’m an anarchist. I have always been at odds with the American state. I have been arguing against genocide apologists since the Palestinian genocide began. China is not a perfect state. They are authoritarian. They are at odds with me ideologically, and I have many criticisms of their past and present state. It’s possible to both acknowledge the extent of anti-china propaganda output by the American state, and also that China is a country that has its own history past and present of human rights abuses and workers rights abuses.
Sure, you just mentioned “present-day”, and I thought maybe you referred that things have changed somehow. The US has always been imperialist and genocidal in nature, that’s why I got triggered by the “present-day” part of your initial comment and to what I was responding.
I had a longer comment typed up initially but opted for something shorter since it was likely falling on deaf ears anyway. Yes, America was founded by genocidal colonialists. Genocide and Western imperialism are foundational American institutions.
Cool, good to see that we’re on the same page, sorry for the aggressive tone in my first comment.
This is basically 1:1 with my thoughts, would it be cool if I paraphrased/copy paste this for future use?
Sure, by all means.
…I hate laughing at the downfall of my own country, but we definitely had it coming. I guess Chinese is the new lingua franca. Anyway, can someone help me understand why “Ma” in Mandarin means both weed and mom? How do I buy weed in Beijing?
You can’t. At least not legally.
English is too engrained. Even if the US falls down to some impoverished dictatorship. English will remain. The cost of switching now is just too great.
Not to mention Chinese is quite the endeavor to learn, Esperanto would make way more sense.
U can ask Mom for weed by saying ma ma
Make it a question with a third ma.
So “ma ma ma?” (妈麻吗?)
Mandarin has 4 (technically 5) tones so “ma” could be any one of those 4 different pronunciations. Furthermore, there are many completely different words that have the same tone/pronunciation. You just learn through context (same way as you do with English homophones)
Mom in mandarin is 媽 (mā) whereas weed is 麻 (má). Colloquially you can also say 大麻 (dàmá) for weed.
Also, even before you go into the nitty gritty, there are homonyms in English too, so I don’t get why OP needs an explanation.
you also use ma at the end of the sentences to form a question, to make it more confusing
How legal is weed in China? I bet the impression the regime is anti drugs
Just spit balling here but probably execution level legal.
take this as you will, it is copy pasted from a site. most other sources i saw up to reading this said the same shit, so it is probably fairly accurate
The Punishment for Marijuana in China
Possession & Use: Individuals caught with marijuana or using marijuana will face administrative detention between 10 to 15 days, as well as fines of up to 2,000 yuan ($280 USD). Trafficking and Distribution: Selling or distributing marijuana is a crime. Punishment for those found guilty of handling over 50 grams includes a minimum three-year prison sentence, with life incarceration or death being possible penalties for larger weights (or in special cases). Marijuana Cultivation: Growing cannabis is another criminal offense, no matter how many plants. People arrested for growing marijuana could spend five years in jail and pay a hefty fine. For larger amounts, the punishment is even steeper.Thanks!
Possession is much lighter than I was expecting.
There is probably a lot of pressure to give up the supplier.
wtf dumbass attacks asian face
hillbilly not smart, chinese angry, me have to read this bs day in day out
The backlash exploded on Chinese social media, garnering 140 million Weibo views.
Isn’t this nothing for China?
That’s 10% of their population.
Interesting if Vance is a chauvinist or just stupid enough to say aloud what most Americans really think about China…
I’m Chinese American. The majority of the people I meet in the US are not Sinophobes.
That being said, I do live in a deep blue city. I probably am not be going to a rural town
You have a very skewed view of what normal Americans think.
You should probably work on getting out of your media bubbles.
I was talking about the majority, not normal.
They are so laughably bad at this stong man act. They talk politics like either a particularly stupid playground bully or a guffawing British colonial moron from the time of the empire.
Also, I suppose it would help if your opponents found you even the least bit intimidating
I feel like it’s due to American privilege. They don’t understand the real world and authentic humanity.
They’re WWE grads
Yet they can’t cut a promo!
they don’t even have good entrance in music
They tried but the artists keep suing to make them stop using it.
Linda MacMahon is literally the Secretary of Education.
Only Democrats seem to find their act intimidating.
Here it is again, a desperate attempt to blame Democrats.
It may not be their fault but what exactly, other than Cory Booker’s stunt or bringing cardboard signs have they done since the fashes took power?
What the fuck have you done other than echo the right wing spin?
The right wing spin of “Please stop doing what Trump wants you to do”?
Or the right wing spin of “Stand up for the people who voted you in to stop Trump”?
Substantially more than most of the people on this site have been doing.
Yeah. Fucking Schumer it’s really leading the opposition. /s
And what specifically have you done?
I haven’t voted to confirm Trump’s nominees
Not voted Yes on anything Republicans want, for starters.
No cabinet picks. No poison pills. No sneaking in expansions of power in yearly budgets. No tax cuts for the rich.
It costs as much energy to vote no as it does yes. But it doesn’t look good for the lobbyists’ bank accounts when they pay for Trump’s demands, so why even bother fighting for what’s right?
Thank fuck i would say. It literally their fucking job isn’t it? I have to card in every morning at 9am till 5. Their equivalent of card in is to oppose this shit, and to be perfectly honest, if I put as much effort as they did so far, my manager would have fired my ass for being a slacker
Like they were elected to do. I sure hope they’re doing more than the people trying to balance rent and food as they worry about if their senator is going to vote yes on Trump’s wants.
They’re not blameless. They’re not entirely to blame, but they could’ve regulated social media to dampen disinformation when they had the chance.
And now that would be the reason they didn’t get elected.
The answer is never censorship. Look at who would be in charge of your ‘regulated’ social media now… It would be all of it instead of just the now hyper-regulated X.
I didn’t say censorship. They could’ve regulated social media as actual Media outlets, which puts them on the hook for libel lawsuits if blatantly fake disinformation is advertised on their platforms. In other words, they have to follow the same rules as traditional media outlets.
Social media isn’t a news source. Perhaps forcing them to remove all the ‘algorithms’ might be the answer. Keep the echo chamber effect to a minimum. Excluding people from being able to speak based on the current administration’s definition of blatantly fake disinformation is a bad idea. Once again, look who is now in charge of what is ‘blatantly fake’… They’d be suing the crap out of Lemmy under that law… Europe is all in on censorship, so we can only hope the Nazis don’t take over there again or we’ll be boxed in from every direction.
You can’t tame the beast anymore. It’s in control and it’s bigger than governments. It’s more of poltergeist than something physical. Humanity is dying and the lifeboats that were government and religion have been overtaken.
This is a whole new war beyond law and order.
Natural law prevails, but many of us have been taught to not live by natural law. In turn we are losing the battle by being submissive to man-made law while the evil side of humanity thrives as it has never followed the law of man. They know the laws are for the poor and easily controlled and not meant for them.
Or something?
holy shit these fucking libs
“They should have cracked down on how we’re allowed to communicate with each other”
and not
“They shouldn’t have committed a genocide” or “They shouldn’t have taken tens of millions of people off medicaid and doubled child poverty”
Example?
You could look into it yourself, but here’s a general overview on the US response to disinformation:
https://firstamendment.mtsu.edu/article/disinformation-governance-board/
The Democrats could’ve been pushing harder to address such a serious problem, but they didn’t. And here we are.
Like I said, they’re not entirely to blame, but they’re not blameless.
“Please stop capitulating to Trump and signing off of his bills, they’re fascists and you’re enabling them.”
“Whats with the blame for Democrats? You must hate them for no reason.”
The budget bill? Things were going to be worse if there was a shutdown that hands more power to the executive.
Vance is a piss baby peasant
Fuck that racist asshat clown.
There are plenty of things wrong with China and they couldn’t find one. These guys make tween student councils look advanced.
Poor man’s idea of a rich man,
Stupid man’s idea of a smart man,
Weak man’s idea of a strong man,
Coward’s idea of a brave man,
And a moronic voter’s idea of a President (or Vice-president in this case).
Big talk from hillbilly white trash.
I read this in Kahn from King of the Hills voice.
"Hey, Minh! Mascra wearing Hillbilly is fondling his couch! You owe me a dollar! "
He needs several hundred lashes
Happy cake day!
There goes the already remotely slim chance of any tariff negotiations. There is now a negative chance of China giving in.
I think this is the plan. They want to be able to blame China for the massively increased cost of consumer goods.
In over 50 years, I have never seen a worst accounting of ourselves.
Our leaders, elected officials, are absolutely corrupt, inept, and eaten up with greed . They are diseased in their souls.
They need to be jailed , now.
In over 50 years, I have never seen a worst accounting of ourselves
You should have taken the hints with the Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq invasions, but better late than never I guess.
Yep. China is not gonna lose face by negotiating. They’re gonna go all in to fuck the US over now.
China wins this war in a landslide.
USA needs China: walk into any American home, and it’ll be minimum 50% China-related goods.
The reverse situation, American goods in Chinese homes, would have a tough time approaching 10%.You know that isn’t good for China either, right? It’s the same twisted trade deficit logic that Trump is using. China’s economy depends on selling those goods.
China has the entire rest of the world to sell to.
Yeah, except America isn’t the only country in the world
Certainly, but we’re the biggest consumer economy by a long shot. Trying to replace roughly $600 billion in exports isn’t an easy ask, especially since the next biggest economic bloc after the US and China, the EU, has been trying to move away from over reliance on China for years.
They may be trying to move away from China, but they’re going to be moving back fast with these tariffs in place. Everyone loses in a trade war, but China is very much going to be the winner. No matter what happens after today, the US has lost it’s bargaining position and value as a trading partner and ally.
Putin has won his war against the US, it’s just a matter of how we fall at this point.
I don’t disagree, I’m just pointing out that no one wants this and China isn’t going to just magically replace their biggest trading partner overnight, which is why they were legitimately trying to work out a new deal originally.
Trust me, I fully agree the US will be the biggest loser from all of this.
Not to mention many of those Chinese products are designed by and built for American companies or nonamerican companies that sell in the US, which complicates things even further. This is much more complicated and much messier than simply looking at how many US goods there are in a typical Chinese household. Everybody loses thanks to Trump’s idiocy.
The US is just one country of 190 or so with a population of 300k out of 7b. Losing some exports to the US will sting a bit, but in the grand scheme it’s nothing.
The US needs to get its head out of its ass and realize its not as important as it thinks.
300m not 300k
Corrected, that’s what I meant
While trade war isn’t good for anyone US is clear looser here since China’s export to US (as of 2023 stats) is only 15% from its overall export. They can sell more other countries to smoothen impact. Meanwhile who gonna buy US stuff? “Best friend“ Russia with total GPD of less than California?
“only 15%”? That’s a huge percentage when you look at global trade. In 2023, their next biggest export partner is Hong Kong at 8%, which is now part of China. After that it’s Japan at 5%, followed by South Korea at 4.5%.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-by-country
The point is, China doesn’t want this trade war at all, and neither do we. Trump and Co. are complete morons that are fucking up the global economy for nonsensical reasons. Yes, other countries can eventually establish new trade deals without the US, and they likely will, but let’s not pretend they all can just bounce back within a few months if these idiotic shenanigans continue.
That use of “only” before “15%” is a serious underestimation in absolute terms, but wholly appropriate when those 15% are relative to the US’s self-inflicted trade damage: it’s still immensely better when 15% of your trade goes to a trading partner which has picked a fight with you than when 100% of your trade goes to trade partners you have picked fights with.
Further, in the last 2 decades or so China has both been growing its internal market (so that its Economy is less dependent on exports) and diversifying the countries they export to, likely in preparation for the death throes of empire as the US falls from its top position, which were entirely expected for decades, as was that they would include some form of trade pressure on its closest adversary.
Absolutely, this is going to hurt China in the short-term (and possibly mid-term, depending on how easy or not is to redirect those exports to other destinations), but the Trump trade war with the World is going to totally fuck up the US and it’s the kind of harm that gets worse the longer these measures remain in place because it will be further eating away at the US brand (so even after the tariffs are removed many customers won’t be coming back) and accelerate the demise of the Reserve Currency status of the USD (which will in turn be reflected in massive inflation as those dollars flood back in and way bigger deficit related problems because the costs of debt servicing will go up when there is little demand for US Dollars abroad).
I wanted EU but the closest breakdown was Europe at 22%. Russia is 3.4% and assuming that’s included in Europe puts it closer to 18.6%.
Yay! Cheaper goods for everyone else. Thanks USA!
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these stupid mother fuckers
Hey man, not to be pedantic, but that’s a Liberian flag, on brand for the targets of your sarcasm but 🤷🏾♂️
100% intentional.
Ah, splendid then.
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CHI-nuh.
I wish I never had to hear his voice again. And no, I don’t want him dead, just put in a retirement home.
Yeah, that’s sounds like the kind of thing a wormy, little sleazy fuck like Vance would say .
He still doesn’t understand that no matter how smart he is, or how much ass he kisses, he’ll never be one of Them.
Lee Atwater made the same mistake.
