Wtf. Why didn’t you mention the cringe lord emperor striker?!
Edit: using my mod powers to get attention.
Can any mere man wield such ferocious, blinding power?
A terrifyingly, beautiful thing to behold. But only just a glance.
I’m scared, feel like… like an Upper Neolithic man witnessing Nikolai Tesla inside his Faraday cage, as the bright blue electric current crackles and arches all around him.Mod abuse… how typical. Is your thirst for power satisfied now?
What would happen if we would all be mods? Did you think about it? You didn’t, did you?
@admin MOD ABUSE!!!
Leaching on to mod powers to grab attention, for what purpose, I do not know.
To prevent the all powerful cum tsunami from wiping us all out
Nah, that one seems too funny to miss
Put me in the screenshot
Not me though thanks
The elon musk mindset. Lmao
I mean if you have to ask, the answer is obvious.
Thank you god-modereor for showing us the way… By force!
Goderator?
Don’t give them any ideas!
Good job Ozma when the libs resort to ad-hominems you know you’re putting in work.
Yes anyone without your opinion is a LiB and that’s BaD because extra-militant Joffrey knows best
If the goal is winning hearts and minds I can’t say he’s doing much more than yada yada…status quo…yada yada some bullshit Russian talking point.
When the competition is “you’re not a real person, also you’re Russian”, even that may be enough.
Do you even understand what a meme is?
They’re paid to spread disinformation, not understand memes.
There’s a lot of other shit but it seems that it’s organically sorting itself out over time.
One thing that I love about Lemmy is how there are people that I always recognise. And you are one of them!
i seeked lemmy world out, so glad to be here. what finally made me NEED to get away from R****t was the manufactured outrage, clickbait to an incredible degree. people purposely putting up content that reinforces the status quo by encouraging people to get mad about situations that challenge the status quo.
also ridiculously stupid questions, way too many people posting photos of shit and asking “whats wrong here” like come on what the fuck. i’m so sick of it.
The tragic thing, though, is that if lemmy ever “takes off”, there’s nothing about it that will make it any more resistant to bots and trolls.
It’s kinda like back when Macs had no viruses, because nobody bothered.
nah, descentralisation is what help, i already read as article explaining exactly that, lemmy problem is that one of it first instances are full of trolls lol
I disagree. Lemmy is more resistant to bots because there’s no perverse incentive to boost user activity numbers to please investors and advertisers. Reddit for example doesn’t really care if most comments are fake on a post. It’s still interaction and it pumps numbers. Lemmy is built and run by us. It serves no other masters.
Given that users naturally self-sort into instances, your trolls are also more likely to congregate on instances and communities that can be blocked. I don’t want to name any names but I do block some instances from my view for a reason. The Russian bots congregate in places that are amenable to this, and the design of Lemmy encourages this self-sorting into places where you’re accepted.
The problem is still significant, but there are advantages to the fediverse.
I think it would be more likely bots would flood instances with posts at a level that was unrealistic for the small scale admins we currently have to combat.
There is a bit of a chain of trust, however. Instance fills with spam bots? Defed.
Spam bots start making their own instances? Go to whitelists.And as henfredemars says, because there is no financial incentive to grow the userbase, instances can slow things right down if the spam starts.
Not only that, but it’s actually a much easier target because of the relatively sporadic moderation.
Compared to reddit, the Fediverse’s ability to moderate propaganda and advertising is puny and uncoordinated.
Even without any karma system, interacting with the users here is a breath of fresh air. Lemmy has the least shills and bots compared to the poison in most other platforms. It’s currently Lemmy’s best asset and where it stands out from all existing social media imo, and I hope it remains this way.
Lemmy has the least shills and bots
Because it’s not popular yet. Wait until it becomes so and the inevitable enshittification happens.
Enshittification isn’t what happens when something becomes popular, it’s what happens to disruptive tech and commodities that get increasingly fine-tuned for profit after competition inevitably floods in. It’s a product of monetization.
Lemmy is FOSS so that won’t happen, plus you can splinter off into your own walled garden instance like Beehaw if you want.
Enshittification also happens because of government propaganda, like the authoritarian propaganda Lemmy.ml spreads for the CCP.
Aee you suggesting people on Lemmy.ml are paid by the Chinese government to spread propagands?
Some of them yes, absolutely.
I think, they are only paid indirectly in that the money are spent on propaganda to make them act like this
That’s a single instance, they can be blocked and avoided. The FOSS community is way more resiliant to enshittification.
Not really, their users make alts everywhere else too. It’s also quite easy just to keep setting up new instances too.
Deal with them just like regular trolls. You shouldn’t be like the Muskrat cultists who think content moderation is useless and thus should be given up on. I understand, I suffered from activism burnout on the regular (one was right in the middle of an election campaign), but one should not give up easily.
That’s not at all what I am saying. I am saying it’s easier to do moderation on more centralised platforms like Reddit, because moderators simply have more power and more tools there. The flip side of that being that it makes it easier for moderators and admins to abuse and ban people without recourse. I am not saying moderation is pointless at all, just that it’s easier with one platform than the other. There are pros and cons to both models.
I would argue being open source and decentralised are major advantages of Lemmy and are more than sufficient to justify its existence. Just that it also isn’t perfect either. There are always trade-offs to be made when designing a platform, and that’s something you should always bear in mind.
You make it sound like monetization can’t happen on a FOSS platform. Bots are a form of monetization, it’s just not by the people who created and control the platform.
As it gets popular, bots will come for the purpose of creating an audience and monetizing them.
Ey used the wrong word, but this in fact is correct. Once lemmy gets popular, bot farms will definitely will siege it, and the amount of “bots and shills” will rise
They’re certainly easier to avoid.
I’d estimate blocking ozma has reduced the amount of “Trump and the GOP may be attempting to install a fascist dictatorship but Biden’s old” nonsense in my feed by 95%.
Ah yes, “old”, the only criticism of Biden that does or could ever exist.
You could’ve talked about the genocide, but that would’ve made it sound less frivolous now, wouldn’t it?
Edit: for all the people who don’t like people talking about actual genocide that Biden is supporting, minimising the seriousness of a genocide because you think you have a good reason for it is still genocide denial. You have become genocide deniers for the sake of the dubious shift in votes from whatever population of voters you think will see you doing genocide denial and think “actually they have a point I’ll vote for Biden now”.
It just doesn’t seem like full genocide yet. Genocide light? You may be proved right but I just haven’t seen it. I’m not there though and I’m not smart. There’s a difference between lining everyone up and killing them and starving them while doing military stuff. You may say there isnt a difference, but those are different things to me. Please don’t get me wrong I think what is going on, seemingly for political reasons, is very wrong and bad. But genocide is about the worst so it’s hard be that bad.
Bring on the downvotes.
It just doesn’t seem like full genocide yet. Genocide light?
Oh dear, oh no, genocide is such a strong word for aerial bombing of civilians, denying them aid, targeting hospitals, sniping children, burying them in mass graves and killing more children than in all global conflicts over the last four years combined, all with the explicit goal of wiping out their people group and displacing them from their homeland. It’s just, oh no, I wouldn’t want to say mean words about the people doing all of that, because that might be unfair to the mass child slaughterers. There isn’t worse than this. This is genocide.
Holocaust deniers don’t call themselves “deniers” either, they start organisations like the “Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust”. That’s a real thing, you can look it up, it’s disgusting.
You just did genocide denial.
And don’t forget capitalist Joe. Nobody is talking about the actual capitalism Joe is supporting because you think you have a good reason for it.
I’m assuming “you” in this case is the general “you”, because I absolutely do hate him for that as well. Yeah, Joe is a neoliberal capitalist, but nobody doing genocide denial on his behalf is going to be worried about that charge.
You point out that they’re genocide deniers and you get the person who responded to me fretting about whether we should really call it a genocide. You know, doing genocide denial, because people who have painted themselves into that corner aren’t going to stop doing genocide denial, they’ll keep showing you who they really are. That’s damning to anyone who’s really paying attention.
Actually I’m just pointing out that you’re complaining about something that won’t change. You can complain about Biden being a capitalist but every final presidential candidate has been a capitalist for I don’t even know for how many decades. You’re complaining into the void because unless the system itself changes there’s no chance to have a socialist president.
Similarly you’re complaining about Biden supporting genocide but the alternative, Trump, has pretty much said he will go gloves off and give Israel whatever they need. In fact you probably couldn’t find a president in the last 20 years who wouldn’t be supporting Israel. It’s not a specific president or presidential candidate that is supporting genocide, it’s the entire system. The only thing you realistically accomplish by complaining about Biden is sowing division.
As for the “genocide deniers”, well some people are just dumb and we have to accept that.
Actually I’m just pointing out that you’re complaining about something that won’t change.
The only thing you realistically accomplish by complaining about Biden is sowing division.
I don’t know about that, I think political possibility goes beyond who will be convinced to change their vote because you told people to stop complaining about Biden.
Like for instance, you acknowledging that the US is going to do genocide no matter what seems like a pretty damning thing to say, no? Seems like something worth saying. Seems like maybe we should condemn people who do genocide, or are willing to helm a nation that will make them complicit in genocide no matter what, because those are people that are going to do a genocide. Seems like maybe getting people on board with a system change involves pointing out that it is an inexorable genocide machine. And if that’s what it takes to stop the genocides - and you seem to agree with me on this - then maybe we should, I don’t know, talk about it?
Pretending that the entire value in discussing genocide starts and ends with who will be elected president is pretty minimising to the importance of the, you know, genocide. Seems like a kind of genocide denial to me.
As for the “genocide deniers”, well some people are just dumb and we have to accept that.
I’m yet to find a comment section that isn’t full of you fuckers.
I think if you think you need to do this to get someone elected, that’s actually counterproductive. Like maybe people associating Biden with genocide denial is going to make it harder for them to hold their nose and vote strategically like you want. It’s very hard to imagine the voter who would care about the genocide and yet be fooled into voting for Biden because people kept his genocide support on the down-low. Seems like you’re cutting off little pieces of your soul for the sake of a strategy that isn’t going to really work, unless you’ve got an A-to-B for me on how telling people to stop complaining about Biden’s genocide support helps him win election.
I’m yet to find a comment section that isn’t full of you fuckers.
I’m going to start from here because this is how you show how disingenuous you are. I straight up said I don’t agree with the genocide deniers and what do you do? You still lump me in with them. Your entire mindset here is “If they don’t agree with me they must be genocide deniers”. Fuck off with that shit.
I don’t know about that, I think political possibility goes beyond who will be convinced to change their vote because you told people to stop complaining about Biden.
Like for instance, you acknowledging that the US is going to do genocide no matter what seems like a pretty damning thing to say, no? Seems like something worth saying. Seems like maybe we should condemn people who do genocide, or are willing to helm a nation that will make them complicit in genocide no matter what, because those are people that are going to do a genocide.
Political possibilities goes beyond when you stop complaining about a part of the problem and start criticizing the problem as a whole. Biden is only a part of the problem, the real problem is that the majority political landscape of US supports Israel. You can’t even get a real presidential candidate who would oppose Israel because it would go against the party line. And yet you’re convinced it’s Biden you should be complaining about.
Seems like maybe getting people on board with a system change involves pointing out that it is an inexorable genocide machine. And if that’s what it takes to stop the genocides - and you seem to agree with me on this - then maybe we should, I don’t know, talk about it?
Which is why you should talk about all the politicians supporting the genocide and not just focus on one. Why aren’t you complaining about Trump? Why aren’t you complaining about Mitch McConnell or Chuck Schumer? Why aren’t you complaining about everyone in congress who voted to aid Israel? Why is it that you only complain about Biden?
I think if you think you need to do this to get someone elected, that’s actually counterproductive. Like maybe people associating Biden with genocide denial is going to make it harder for them to hold their nose and vote strategically like you want. It’s very hard to imagine the voter who would care about the genocide and yet be fooled into voting for Biden because people kept his genocide support on the down-low. Seems like you’re cutting off little pieces of your soul for the sake of a strategy that isn’t going to really work, unless you’ve got an A-to-B for me on how telling people to stop complaining about Biden’s genocide support helps him win election.
It’s not about getting Biden elected, it’s about making sure Trump does not get elected. That’s what your elections have always been about, voting against the guy you hate more. If you don’t vote for Biden you’re indirectly voting for Trump because the system boils down to you either get Biden or you get Trump. And it doesn’t matter who gets elected, America will still support genocide. This vote isn’t about genocide, it’s about whether American will get a fascist leader or not. You can sit on your high horse and talk about how people are cutting off pieces of their soul “for strategy”, but don’t be surprised when genocide continues and you get fascism shoved down your throat.
Your entire mindset here is “If they don’t agree with me they must be genocide deniers”.
I explained how you were doing genocide denial. You said that complaining about Biden is only “sowing division”. So that means that we shouldn’t criticise him for his genocide. Denying that a genocide should be criticised on its own merits is a form of genocide denial. Not all genocide denial is “this genocide didn’t happen”. In fact most of it isn’t. Most of it is politically motivated muddying of the waters, like what you did.
And yet you’re convinced it’s Biden you should be complaining about.
Because he is the president and the person in the greatest position of power to do something about it, and yet he refuses.
Why aren’t you complaining about Trump? Why aren’t you complaining about [whatabout whatabout whatabout]
Because none of those people is currently the US president.
Also, the original comment I replied to was about how people are just complaining that Biden is “old”. I was pointing out that this person was clearly deliberately avoiding the main criticism, which is of course the genocide.
It’s not about getting Biden elected, it’s about making sure Trump does not get elected.
That’s just the same thing said two ways. Most people who vote for Trump don’t like him much either, they just think they have to get Biden out. This is how the two-party system captures your political imagination and makes you police other people to tell them not to criticise your candidate. You’ve fallen for its trap.
And the idea that nothing can be changed without system change is actually false. Popular opposition has won basically all the victories worth noting in liberal democracies. They weren’t handed down from the legislature, they were fought for from the bottom up. But if people won’t stand up and full-throated condemn the one person most responsible for the current iteration of this genocide, then he won’t feel any pressure to do anything about it.
And if he doesn’t stop his genocide support - for real, not just a token “hey now jack stop that” - then I won’t be surprised when he loses to Trump, because he chose to support fascism overseas and thus willingly lost to fascism at home.
I’ve blocked both of them, as well as the politicalmemes community and my Lemmy experience has gotten so much better.
Ozma got banned from politicalmemes recently and it’s 1000% better for it
Lemmy is an improvement on Reddit, but imo not by much. There really is no innovation on the fundamental concept of subreddits/communities. The issue with Lemmy is that I’ve come across so many promising communities that quickly die off after the initial spurt of activity. I wonder if there is a better organic way to grow the “online discussion” from some form of general cespool, that can segementize only later when those needed segments (communities) emerge naturally.
Lemmy became so much better when I blocked pugjesus and their sockpuppet
Всмысле блядь нет русских ботов? Я что для вас, шутка?
бип-буп, на месте
Very good +1000 social credit, OP
As a Russian bot, I’m deeply offended
I see a lot by “the Picard maneuver” or something like that. I can’t remember if I like their posts, but there’s a lot.
Tpm is basically porting all old memes from the previous site over. He probably posts 30 a day or smt
You forgot that lemmy.ml, lemmygrad, & hexbear exist.
Hexbear is… I’m just old I guess, I don’t understand. My instance is not defederated from them. Whenever I’m reading a post that originates from hexbear, I can always tell. Like it will just hit me and I will look at the source and yep, it’s hexbear.
But I don’t exactly understand why. I can’t see that they have any particular worldview, they just have a unique (and contrarian) way of expressing… all worldviews, seemingly. It feels like an inside joke that I don’t have enough information about to understand.
Doesn’t seem like bots, Russian or otherwise. Too vague. Not enough of a directed agenda. Is it just trolls? They seem to earnest to be trolls.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Hexbear
They’re basically trans communist genocide deniers, they’ve run troll ops which is way they’ve been mass de-federated.
See https://lemmy.world/post/2498330This article makes me think this is a tankie wiki, because literally everyone from that awful place is a tankie as far as I can tell.
It is a tankie wiki, but what a better way to expose their tankie nature than the tankies themself.
Their community came over here long before all us old Redditors and it seems like they’ve cultivated their own culture and in-jokes and such. It can get confusing to pierce all the irony and sarcasm to figure out what they’re saying sometimes.
They’re kids that like confrontation. They don’t actually have any agenda other than “this hexbear user said to follow this!” And they jump on it. The next day could be a completely different stance on the subject.
They’ve chosen a very confrontational path with the way their instance interacts with others, and as a result they get a lot of push back, which just makes them angrier. I suspect anyone trying to be reasonable on the instance gets accused of not being a true believer as well, so only the angriest remain.
Also, Boost for Lemmy allows you to block an entire instance, it’s pretty handy.
