Tankies be like: “based comrade ICE agents just like China!”
Whatever happened to the Fourth Amendment? If they’re not even bothering to uphold the Constitution in a courthouse you guys are well and truly fucked.
The constitution has not existed since 911. I am not sure why people still believe in it. Even Santa Claus is more plausible to exist.
well that’s a load of shit
Yeah, I don’t think it’s very likely that a mythical jolly man brings presents to kids worldwide
I’m pretty sure Homeland Security was created with the sole intent of subverting the constitution from it’s inception.
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https://www.aclu.org/documents/constitution-100-mile-border-zone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_search_exception
The magical 100 mile “Nah constitution don’t really work here” zone that also, crazily enough, includes 2/3 of the population.
These gestapo need to be doxxed
You misspelled shot.
I think this is one of those pearl clutching instances that won’t take kindly to that kind of language. You need to use the legal system to oppose the corrupt legal system, I guess.
Maybe, but writing mean articles about them isn’t going to stop them, and they have the support of the trump administration. The only that’s going to stop them is if they’re always they might not go home afterwards.
Obviously the next step for them will be gearing up like they’re going into combat, but that really starts making people pay attention to what’s going on
Oh, I fully support shooting nazis and their collaborators dead. I was taking a shot (pun intended) at the moderators who remove comments like “the guys running today’s concentration camps should be shot”
Then I guess these gestapo need to be legally shot, after a legal trial and sentencing to death.
(Stupid fucking mods.)
Having watched the video, that guy provided no evidence that this was anything other than a kidnapping. Shooting him in the face would be 100% self defense
They don’t need to be mutually exclusive
Gotta know where they are before that
What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Presumably, the courthouse is filled with cops and others with arrest authority, so why did they allow two men in plainclothes without badges or warrants leave with two people?
If the DOGE pirates had been gunned down in the first lobby the invaded, it would have ended there, or at least gone down a different path.
We should not be normalizing this behavior, and setting precedents. Without a badge, you will not be listened to, and you will leave the building immediately. Without a warrant, you will not be putting your hands on any person. If you attempt to bypass either requirement, you will be arrested. And if you attempt to do enforce your demands by force, you will be shot.
On the plus side, if anybody reading this ever has reason to think that they might need to go into a police station and remove someone being held there, apparently if you and a friend or two look sufficiently the part, you can just walk in, in plainclothes, and claim to be Homeland Security, and just… take a dude and leave.
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When they are disappearing people with no due process, the only logical response is violence. Gtfo of here with that dumb shit.
I think I’m going to have to seriously think about packing heat on regular basis for the exact scenario the 2nd amendment was written to cover.
Not a bad idea, at this point. Just keep it at home, and only have it to defend yourself or others. It is always morally correct to stop a Gestapo agent through any means necessary.
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I’ve been seeing “Americans are pussies for not rising up” and “you won’t vote yourselves out of this situation” on here for months… Which is it? Make up your fucking mind, internet.
It’s just the normal anti-American sentiment from fringe idiots around the globe. Anything that has to do with America or the people from there are bad, evil, and needs to be shunned and mocked. Don’t give this guy any weight as a popular opinion from the internet.
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If you didn’t notice, I’m of the same opinion on this point! Learn to read, please.
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Ladies and gents. Someone with no critical thinking skills. Dumbass.
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It has nothing to do with “chosen” and everything to do with common sense. Wtf would YOU do if a couple of dudes came up to you neighbor, grabbed them and walked off with no explanation or identification? Just shrug, and go about your day? Because that’s what you’re insinuating with this idiotic line of reasoning you’re going down.
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If you actually read the second amendment, its whole purpose is to keep the government in check.
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That’s what we are fighting against, idiot.
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When you’re acting like an uneducated troglodyte, you will be treated as such. That’s not a uniquely American trait, but you’re welcome to continue wasting air trying to make that statement.
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Yeah, funny how the boot lickers forget their whole wet dream of being the ones that rise up, means they need to rebel against the tyrant Trump and his dumbshit sycophants.
I mean, isn’t this the exact scenario they wrote in the Second Amendment for? Can’t say this reaction is surprising given it’s at the roots of the country and extensively defended by the Founding Fathers
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Yeah, to some things they are
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perhaps you should actually read what he said there instead of jumping to insane conclusions
I wish they did have the guts to shoot the DOGE team. Especially since the DOGE goons have literally dragged people out and probably physically assaulted others.
Is this exactly the kind of stuff 2A was supposed to have solved? What were the half a billion guns for?
Guns are for the tyranny of green energy and gay marriage. This is what they voted for.
Guns are for Drag Queen Story Hour and school schoolings
A good portion of the 2A fetishists in this country love jackbooted authoritarianism as long as it’s aimed at the correct demographic.
They love the fantasy of being a plucky revolutionary, but in reality they are the ones helping the boot come down.
its called ammosexuals,people who fetishized and fantasize about a scenario where they shoot people, any excuse will do. i seen a video of a poc right winger, “climaxing” over the thought of shooting someone in an unlikely scenario. it was the cringiest thing.
but we can change that any time. change the demographic by arming yourself and not being one of those people.
Way ahead of you there.
Man this is fucked up, At first I was all with the program of getting rid of criminals and deporting them. It’s clear to me they’re just getting people that are here illegally and Deporting them. Yesterday I was talking to the landscapers which I will assume they are illegal immigrants and they were solid guys they just Want a chance at a better life.
You were okay with the program deporting people without trial because they “are criminals”? Are you even listening to yourself?
No I assumed that they would take the legal route of getting rid of illegal immigrants that are criminals I didn’t expect it to be like this. But I still am on board with them getting rid of illegal immigrants that are criminals, They just need to go about it a better way
That thing you wanted was already happening under Biden, and before him. How do I know? They didn’t hire new people. They just gave the signal to the existing hires that they can do what they want. They were able to deport criminals before, and they did. Trump just lied when he said they didn’t. During the campaign he duped millions of people into believing a fake problem to which he is now providing a fake solution: no additional criminals are being deported, not really — they’re just doing things more sloppily, being more cruel about it, and padding the numbers with innocent people.
Ok, “deporting” people to El Salvador instead of their home country. That’s certainly new.
OK but also under the Biden administration the borders were practically open so A lot of criminals were coming in easily so it was like you send one and you get one back
Before illegal immigrants that would cross the border did not want to run into immigration or law-enforcement during the Biden administration they purposely Wanted to be picked up by them.
That’s what I mean about the duping. None of that was happening under Biden. These “open borders” allegations are and have always been nonsense.
Do people try to cross illegally? Yes. How do we know? Because they’re caught while trying to do it and sent back — this one fact should put the “open borders” claims to rest, but that’s if we lived in a sane world. And don’t get me started on all the citizen militias patrolling the border and shooting people for sport, because a lot of the border is in red states where leadership turns a blind eye to these types of vigilantes.
Most undocumented immigrants in the US arrive normally on a visa by plane and then overstay their visa. And while some do that on purpose, a lot of the time the expiration happens accidentally due to things out of their control, like because paperwork takes too long and it’s tied to their employer who isn’t moving their ass fast enough, etc. Some are in the process of correcting their undocumented status or even taking their citizenship test when ICE detains them.
The argument here is something you alluded to in the first comment I replied to: an undocumented immigrant merely existing in the US poses no risk to anyone, so maybe deportation isn’t really a measured response to coming across a person with undocumented status, let alone calling them “illegals” and doing all this verbal shell game between “illegal”, “criminal”, “terrorist”, deliberately confusing “insane asylum” with “asylum seekers” etc.
All that rhetoric is meant do dehumanize and paint large groups of people with the same brush: dangerous, disgusting, inhuman. Then the “open borders” lie implies incompetence and naivete on the part of the previous administration (or even sadism if they did it knowingly). This is how we ended up here, and now they’re doing what they wanted to do in the first place: treat them all the same and continue using the verbal shell game when asked about it, saying stuff like “criminals have no right to due process ^(but we decided without due process who the criminals are)”.
They’ve been on Lemmy for 20 days. This Reddit slop is already becoming exhausting
I made an account at the start of the year before changing to make one not associated with my at all. The redditification of Lemmy had become so much worse even just since I got here.
In B-school this is called “adverse selection.”
At this point I’m hoping they’ll at some point make the mistake of sending some Chinese citizens to El Salvador. Hopefully someone with CCP ties. Now I’m not saying I wish this upon anyone, I’m saying they’re sending people anyway, I just hope they’ll eventually make the mistake of doing it to someone whose government can actually fight back. China could absolutely destroy the US if they wanted to at this point.
Back in my day the trolls put some effort into it.
Yeah keep violent illegal immigrants that kill innocent people in America yay!!! Maybe this will get some upvotes
Or I can shove my cock in your mouth you faggot
So… you’re suggesting obviously homosexual activities while calling someone derogatory slurs?
The lady doth protest too much, methinks
It’s horrifying to see so many incidents of kidnapping in courtrooms. I can’t imagine a more blatant and clear example of subversion of the legal judicial process.
There would be no reason to remove them from a courtroom if you believed the court would come to the same conclusions they have. So the logical explanation is that they know that what they’re doing illegal and that these people they’re snatching haven’t actually done anything wrong. It’s shameful that we’ve allowed this to happen in our country and frankly, it’s embarrassing that this is what the once great USA has stooped to.
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And yet suggesting that someone fight back makes you the bad guy.
The actual fucking motto of the US is not "land of the free, home of the brave.” That’s a song lyric. But keep confidently spouting your feelings as facts , it really helps you make your point.
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The authorities are assholes. They go for schools and churches and hospitals and courtrooms. They won’t bother with rape cases unless they’re an easy slam dunk. They hold grudges and weaponize their power over people they don’t like. They won’t target gang members when uneducated immigrants are so much easier.
They will be coming to your courthouses too. We will have to be organizing citizen barricades to keep them from disappearing our neighbors.
I’m still baffled as to how they continue to do this unimpeded.
These people are in court trying to enter the country “the right way” by going through the legal system and are getting ambushed by ICE and Homeland Security during their hearings. Unless the desired outcome is to depress the population of “good ones” trying to stay in the country via legal means by scaring them with the threat of sudden deportation, I don’t see what this accomplishes. This war on immigration is equally as stupid and futile as the war on drugs.
Xenophobia has completely fried the brains of most Americans. This shit isn’t normal and never should be.
Definitely not the sort of thing a fascist would do. Lefty liberals are Larping
Ludicrous.
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What alarmed Nicholas Reppucci, head of the Charlottesville Office of the Public Defender, is that the enforcers called in to detain the two men in the city Tuesday morning were wearing plain clothes and did not display badges or arrest warrants.
Sounds an awful lot like kidnapping. So then the question becomes: why didn’t the court officers or local police arrest the so-called “ICE agents”? Up to and including firing on the assailants, if necessary? Because if you don’t show your badge, and you can’t back it up, you are not who you say you are. And that becomes broad-ass daylight kidnapping. And the actual uniformed officers did nothing (I know why they did nothing - the call is coming from inside the house).
Well maybe we can use this and go get Lugi. Just claim to be ICE and maybe the courts let us get him, thinking we going deport him to El Salvador.
Hey, if it’s stupid but it works, it’s not that stupid.
Because the people who work at the court were likely complicit.
Of course they wouldn’t tell the Public Defender, but that doesn’t mean that he bailiff or whatever, wasn’t in on it.
Sounds like a courthouse that is absolutely corrupt of the constitution and should be all held to treason. The U.S. brought back the firing squad, and the president preaches for no trials. If anyone knows me I love this country. That said, I’m fairly sure this country says we are required to shoot the judge by firing squad without a trial? Or maybe they havent been clear. Is it just racism based slaughter, or slaughter all around they support?
did people not remember trump had the same nameless goons in his first admin when kindapping people.
Sure, but this is frankly another level. Snatching protesters off the street is fucked, for sure. Snatching people out of a courthouse, while they’re engaged with the legal system, out from under the noses of judges, attorneys, and court officers is absolutely another fucking level.
Let’s assume for a moment that the abductees here were federal agents.
How long before people get the bright idea that they can pull a stunt like this without being federal agents? Has that already happened?
Pretty sure some people showed up at San Francisco City Hall claiming to be with DOGE and demanding they be given access to personal files.
The staff refused and when they finally called the police the men claiming to be with DOGE fled the scene.
Florida Woman Posed as ICE Agent to Detain Ex-Boyfriend’s Wife: Police https://www.newsweek.com/florida-woman-latrance-battle-ice-agent-detain-ex-boyfriend-wife-2062962
Florida woman
Yeah, that tracks.
That’s a scary read - if the assailant had cleaned up better and not stopped at an apartment complex, she could have gotten away with murder.
I suppose the scenario I was really thinking of is one where someone is literally abducted by adults, and not just fucking idiot kids playing fuck around.
Which has happened in the article posted here, we’re just taking them on their word that they’re actually federal agents.
Yeah, this was the part that really got me:
“Show us a warrant,” the video shows one of the two women demanding as they attempt to get between the detainers and the detainee.
“Do not touch me or impede me in my lawful duties,” the man in the pink shirt responds. “We are officers from Homeland Security.”
That’s a real bully-logic move right there. How are we supposed to know that these are your lawful duties if you’re refusing to show us your warrant or even your badge? Like, if she had blocked them at this point and the issue were brought to court (and yes, it’s ironic that this is happening in a court), then I can’t imagine a jury saying “well yeah, you can’t prevent a guy from abducting someone just because he won’t give you any indication other than a pinky swear that he has the legal authority to do it.” But, of course, the obvious implication in the moment was that since he was from the “abduct people in an unmarked van with unlimited authority” branch of the government, this wasn’t going to a jury trial, and she was either getting out of the way or she was going in the van too.
I dunno, man. It’s scary.
So what I’m gathering here, is if you can get some friends together, you can get yourself out of court in a pinch.
This is not behavior they want to encourage long term
Trump isn’t thinking in the long term. He’s usually not even thinking in the short term.
He barely developed object permanence, through many flash cards with pictures of burgers on them.
“if we stop testing there won’t be so many positive tests.”
Yeah, I started to write about that, but it’s unclear that this guy would have actually gained anything by getting out of the courtroom. A lot of folks are released pending trial, in which case there’s really no advantage to getting your friends to grab you out of court, rather than just, y’know, skipping town. If he was already in police custody, I imagine there actually would have been more checking of the authority.
But yeah, making court a place where your enemies know you’ll be there and they’re free to come and grab you is a terrible precedent anyway. If you can’t expect due process even in the courts, what does the rule of law even mean anymore?
Babe wake up, new gender just dropped
The knock-on effect of this now would discourage undocumented migrants even just trying to engage with the legal system, being a witness or even reporting on crimes. For people on the fringes of a society it could lead to even worse exploitation and marginalization
While we aren’t seeing it now, it will be a matter of time before those marginalized people start packing and start shooting. Especially when they realize it is a fate worse than death or even just death of they comply.
Working as intended
Fuck a bunch of cunts
