Dont worry billy there will still be plenty of children for you to rape
Gates should hire a hit man to take out Musk.
Shit pot, meet turd kettle.
The guys made windows
Is that a defence or something else?
If it’s a defence, bear in mind that Windows is dogshit.
He should have just raped kids like the others.
I personally sent an email to him at 12 saying his software was shit.
He never answered
Not just the poorest and not just children.
Not just Musk. https://bdsmovement.net/microsoft
Bill gates is always spending his money eradicating diseases. Maybe he can eradicate this musk disease too
Elon is a Nazi
I cannot be the only one here who sees tiny hands.
They look like team america world police puppet hands
Fuck, I can’t unsee it now.
[narrator]: bill gates did not GET ReST.
I got downvoted on Lemmy the other day because I said that I prefer Bill Gates to Musk.
Maybe there are things about Gates I don’t know. Maybe he is actually quite an evil person; I don’t know. But he does at least spend billions of dollars helping vulnerable people, right? And Bill’s stances on global politics are far more sensible than those of Musk.
Musk is a shitturd but he didn’t make windows.
I would like to recommend listening to the Behind the Bastards episodes on Bill Gates. He’s a piece of shit. Not as bad as Elon, but that’s not really the point.
Yeah maybe there’s stuff I’m not aware of. I’ve seen some people on Lemmy point out that Bill Gates lobbied for the University of Oxford to not open source their Covid vaccine. I suppose that seems shitty on the face of it.
Yeah, he’s a bit of a shit. That would not surprise me in the least.
Well yes, but no. If you see capitalism, which includes billionaires having a right to exist, as a set standard, I would 100% agree with you. But billionaires shouldn’t even exist in the first place. You only become a billionaire, by either massively exploiting your workerforce, capitalising every single aspect of your product/customer and not redirecting your profits back to society. We shouldn’t live in a world, where we are cheering for people giving away their money, that they shouldn’t own in the first place. There is no ethic way to be a billionaire.
To prevent misunderstandings: I 100% agree, that this is actually a good thing, but we still have to raise awareness about the societal and political problems of billionaires existing in the first place.
I agree it should be illegal and it is immoral, but these are the current rules of the game. It’s not that Bill Gates is necessarily evil, the problem is how modern states and societies distribute wealth, which is based on a credit system where small incomes are dominated by large incomes (owners get most of the credit). The guise is that they also assume the risk but we know that very rich people eventually gain political power to mitigate that risk on the many not rich people. The problem then is that there is no easy way for not rich people to self organize and distribute credit more fairly, which also needs to distribute risk as well. Cause at the end of the day, it is about two things: people wanting to avoid risk and yielding credit and people accumulating wealth and gaining political power, over many generations. That said, Musk is a very twisted and malicious personality while Bill Gates is more of a typical rich entitled person with a savior complex.
. It’s not that Bill Gates is necessarily evil
he made everybody pay 50 bucks on their computer just to have the privilege to have a blue screen of death right before saving your master thesis.
Down to the wire, though, if Elon is responsible for killing the world’s poorest children of today then that logic should translate to Bill Gate’s being responsible for killing the world’s poorest children of yesterday.
It’s pot and kettle. Gate’s might have used his position of great wealth for some good things but there are also some… questionable things. According to him his conversations with Epstein were ‘huge mistakes’… this is, of course, referring to Gate’s relationship with Epstein - something that took place after Epstein was convicted of sex crimes.
Idk, something for your brain to chew on.
People on lemmy know that “A is better than B” means “A is good.” You have to learn to speak the language.
There are no good billionaires. But I must agree that Bill Gates cannot be compared to Elon Musk. Bill has done evil, but his evil doesn’t compare to what Elon Musk is doing right now
You obviously never had a blue screen of death after a night of unsaved work the day before your thesis presentation
I think it’s a silly to waste one’s time struggling over deciding which one is worse. They’re both billionaires who spend hundreds of millions of dollars undermining the public interest. Gates just cares more about his PR than Musk.
I get what you’re saying 100%, but it’s really not a struggle to decide which one is worse.
Not sure. Bill gates ex-wife told his relation with Eipstein was the reason of its divorce.
Which is bad. Bad that motherfucker also made windows, which is worst. I hate Elon but he didn’t make my computer BSOD every half an hour
He absolutely can be compared to Musk – he’s better than musk.
Yep well said
The massive cock slobbering that Warren Buffet got at his Woodstock of Capitalism last week was nauseating. All the media were fawning over how he’s still a small-town Nebraska bumpkin. I have to hand it to him he crafted his image perfectly as a “good billionaire” too.
Oh but I heard he lives in a humble little house in Omaha!
“Humble Little House in Omaha”----->
Yeah i agree with the point you’re trying to make but I know some people with a bigger house and they’re office goons, not rich people
They’re tone deaf. Comparatively that property IS humble in the world of billionaires. But that ain’t no roach infested bachelor.
That is his house? It is far from a simple house. It looks quite fancy.
For the wealthiest man in the world, this is a pretty modest house.
It’s a ship of Theseus situation. Apparently it’s the “same” house he bought in 1953… at this point though it’s just the same property.
Gates was born in 1955 though… Spooky music
Nuance is lost on a lot of people on here. All billionaires bad therefore no billionaire is preferred. While I agree there’s no good billionaire there’s a spectrum of bad. Like would I rather break my pelvis or break my legs? Both are bad but one is preferable.
None are preferable. Nobody should have that much wealth, power, and influence.
Thanks for proving my point.
The nuance is less important, it’s not worth wasting your breath on - and if people focused on root causes of the dysfunction and the change needed to solve the issues plaguing our societies - we’d be much better off.
The nuance isn’t lost to me, I just don’t care to quantify it and then shout it to the heavens. It makes no difference to me whether Elon Musk is worse than Bill Gates. They can duke that battle out themselves if they care to.
None are preferable.
Yes, that is accepted.
But, given the reality that billionaires do exist, one that spends his money curing diseases is less bad than one who is closing hospitals serving war round populations or actively starving people.
I think making value judgements on individuals is a counterproductive use of our time, energy, and voice. That’s what I’m trying to point out.
If we focused on root causes and the change we’d like to see to solve those problems, we’d be smooth sailing as a world already.
Didn’t some nations in Africa ask Gates to stop helping?
I will wager that some people from some nations asked him to stop helping based solely on the fact that we can’t get millions of people to reliably agree on anything.
I mean Gates donated his own money to help the poorest people in the world. Elon spent his money to become president so he could steal money from the poor at people in the world.
Gates donated his money to avoid taxes and start a big pharma company.
so this is what he meant by eliminated world hunger, by killing them directly or indirectly.
The only way to get rid of poverty is to get rid of the poor.
It’s logical: no people -> no hunger.
and that’s how you know it didn’t even occur to him. he just did it for the sake of cruelty.
How many children died because Bill Gates lobbied for the Oxford Covid-19 vaccine to be patented?
Given that the Gates Foundation backpedaled that stance shortly after:
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Sorry? Exactly when did Oxford open source it’s vaccine and allow manufacturing by companies other than Astrazeneca?
The WTO adopted the proposed partial waiver of vaccines in 2022. Several nations adopted a complete patent waiver for all vaccines. The Gates Foundation endorsed it after Bill’s initial objections.
Reversing opinions after the damage has been done is nothing but a PR stunt. My question again.
Which other companies produced the Oxford Vaccine?
I just explained to you that the patent waivers were a thing after the Gates Foundation endorsed them. WTF do you mean “after damage was done”?
patent waivers were a thing after the Gates Foundation endorsed them.
Too late to damage the share price of their Pharma holdings.
Gates flew to Oxford and forced (as a provder of funding) the University into an exclusive deal with AstraZeneca.
There has been no Oxford vaccine production by any other company.
Late patent wavers are shutting the door after the horse has bolted. The mRNA technology already had its population scale field test.
How did he backpedaled. The thing got patented?
The WTO adopted a limited patent waiver and some countries adopted a total waiver for all vaccines.
For more information and a timeline of events https://petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2022/11/08/what-happened-to-the-covid-19-vaccine-patent-waiver/
In the end Bill Gates voiced an opinion and the Gates Foundation reversed his opinion, neither being particularly impactful on the outcome.
Idk how many people have died from Covid 19 vax? I keep taking it and my cock is huge, no other side effects
Your claim seems a bit BS. It was apparently to have a better distribution and quality.
AstraZeneca claimed not to get profits from the vaccine sales. This seems kind of fair knowing that doses were sold at about $4 USD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#Early_development - https://reliefweb.int/report/world/uk-donates-20-million-more-oxford-astrazeneca-vaccines-countries-need)
Unless you’re talking about the side effects?
It was apparently to have a better distribution and quality.
This is bullshit. The Oxford vaccine was specifically designed to be manufactured using existing processes and distribution channels.
AstraZeneca claimed not to get profits from the vaccine sales.
If the whole world got effective covid vaccines at cost of production then no-one would pay Pfizer for their novel (and expensive) technology. Gates Foundation secured a return of over 15 times more than its initial investment in BioNTech.
If the whole world got effective covid vaccines at cost of production then no-one would pay Pfizer for their novel (and expensive) technology. Gates Foundation secured a return of over 15 times more than its initial investment in BioNTech.
Sadly, that’s the world we live in. The investment is shady, but hey, everyone invests soo… however, changing sides every few days sucks, but at least they don’t stuck with a set idea. Not sure what to think of it.
The oxford vaccine was discontinued because it had some side effects that newer and better vaccines didn’t have I believe.
Research is done because there’s profit to be made. A non-for-profit lab would be great though
This is bullshit. The Oxford vaccine was specifically designed to be manufactured using existing processes and distribution channels.
Source? Found nothing of the sort
4$ per dose is quite a lot of money for African countries. Not patenting it would allow them to create their own, which he blocked based on bullshit reasoning.
I did try to find unit costs for Cuba’s vaccine but failed. While doing that I found a paper analysing distribution costs in Vietnam and long story short it can easily cost four bucks just to get the stuff from the plant into people’s arms.
Not patenting it would allow them to create their own
Patenting it and licensing it also allows them to create their own, but now they need a plant to do that, which requires things like reliable electricity, infrastructure to enable supply of raw materials, whatnot. It’s not like you can brew that kind of thing in a bathtub. What patenting also does is stop random Indian pharma producers from cooking it up and selling it to Botswana without giving you a cut, that is, the wrong private enterprise profiting off it. One that didn’t incur costs doing studies so that regulators would greenlight it.
From what I gather most of the doses used overall in the world were AstraZeneca, and much of it was given to countries for free, with western countries stemming the bill, not AstraZeneca. The EU apparently (it’s in your wiki link) brought the price down to €1.78 because the EU was supplying the production capacity, and €12 for Pfizer/Biontech, which was never in the race for distribution to poor countries in the first place because it requires a tight, and very cool, cooling chain. Forget about the four bucks per dose for distribution in that case.
Would this all have been better in a socialist world? Yes. But that’s not what the situation on the ground was during the pandemic so stop making the perfect the enemy of the good, western countries (excluding the US) were up to the task not getting fucked over by big pharma, and passed that on to other countries.
Or NOT patenting it and open sourcing the vaccine so it doesn’t cost any money for them to license and we’re not gatekeeping life saving medicine. Just a thought.
See the point about random companies selling it for profit. A patent license does not have to cost anything. Don’t know if AstraZeneca did give it away for free to poor countries which do happen to have the right kind of production capability under a “produce for yourself but don’t sell it” kind of deal, but it’s definitely a thing that you can do.
The patent itself isn’t evil, it’s all about how it’s used. And btw open source licenses rely on copyright law, especially anything GPL-like would not work without it.
Congrats, you’ve done research and thus got downvoted.<_>
Sadly we don’t have the specifics about what increases the price, but I think it’s fair to say that they probably have an automated process of creating those vaccines, and as such, idk if other labs could create a dose for less than this amount, especially if they don’t have many funds. I’d argue not, but what do I know
Gates is always whitewashing his own future or past actions when he does something philanthropic tbh
i heard about that, he advocated for expensive equipment, medicaiton only produced by the us.
This. Thank you.
That was a villain level move from Gates. The behaviour of the rich nations towards the LICs over covid vaccines was absolutely shameful and destroyed the illusion of Gates’ benevolence.
I really do think it would be fun to compile all of the billionaires in the world and just have them fight to the death in a gladiator kind of rig. Would be awesome.
I feel like the only way it would work is if they got to keep the money of whoever they killed as long as that person had over a billion dollars… and I would almost be OK with that.
I like to imagine it would reduce the collateral damage the rest of society faces when these people have a dick waving contest.
Roided out billionaires with their hearts exploding out their chests from experimental steroids would really mix things up in a good way. He’ll maybe we’d get some truly sick cybernetic out of it too.
Wealth concentration is bad, so multiple billionaires is better than one super-duper-billionaire.
Y…yeah … sure. Yeah totally. The last one standing totally gets to keep everything and will absolutely be leaving the arena alive. Yup. That’s how we’ll do it.
This guy gets it.
Kat and Kropp get in an argument over the war as they rest from an hour’s worth of drill (occasioned by Tjaden’s not saluting a major properly). Kat believes the war would be over if leaders gave all the participants “the same grub and the same pay,” as he says in a rhyme. Kropp believes the leaders of each country should fight each other in an arena to settle the war; the “wrong” people currently do the fighting.
Erich Maria Remarque - All Quiet on the Western Front 1929
Bill Gates seeks redemption by giving away blood money and blackmailing younger fellow satan worshipers. What a jerk. Fuck him.
Well he can’t exactly kill the world 's richest, can he? Its a stronger indictment about the risks of wealth inequality than about the morality of the rich.
Sounds more like someone has seen the world turning on the worthless shit that are billionaires NOT that someone has seen the light and wants to make the world a better place…
The Gates Foundation has been donating medicine, food, and water to the world’s poorest regions for over almost 30 years, Bill Gates alone has contributed over 100 Bn USD and intends to donated an additional 100 Bn in the next few years.
This isn’t just some 11th hour last minute PR stunt.
Credit where credit is due, Bill Gates has been putting his money where his mouth is for decades now.
If he had done that, he wouldn’t be as wealthy as he is today. Billionaires being billionaires is a big part of the problem, and the only way to remedy that is for them to not be billionaires anymore.
Wealth is not money.
All wealth can be turned into money.
There’s a slight issue though - it can’t.
It can though.
Nope.
We don’t don’t need princes or kings doing PR. If we taxed billionaires out of existence we could fund that and so much more. This guy doesn’t get to make up for whatever he was doing on Epstein’s plane, at least not without coming clean first.
You can’t tax wealth. Wealth is not money.
It was on the Kamala Harris campaign website that she supported an unrealized gains tax for amounts over $1 Million USD.
Conservatives were freaking out that it might “destroy the economy which relies on foreign investors to prop up the value of USD” lmao.
Everyone should freak out, because it’s an utter lunacy.
Compared to the Republican Shitshow destroying the economy anyways and the infinitely stacking Billionnaire wealth hack it sounds like a dream come true.
The Chinese would figure out a way to get their stock market fix, the USA ended up loaning their gains from the transactions to struggling countries anyways so China divesting in the USA would just cut out the middleman.
We tax things that aren’t money all the time, see property taxes.
I have no clue who are “we” in your case, but we don’t tax property.
We could do so much more, but would we? USAID was just shuttered. There’s every chance that money would go into the military industrial complex or something equally unpleasant.
Not defending billionaires as a concept (they shouldn’t exist, and most aren’t as philanthropic as Bill), but I will acknowledge he’s doing a lot of good with his money.
If we had been taxing billionaires for the last 50 years, the education system wouldn’t be where it is now and USAID would have never been under threat. In fact USAID would have probably never had to operate within the US.
It’s also worth mentioning Gates has made our public education system worse by introducing us to the voucher system. Billionaires are part of why we don’t spend our tax dollars on things like universal healthcare or free college.
So if we tax them on wealth they doesn’t exist. Do we tax regular folk on the cost of their houses also? I mean they are worth billions but not till they sell.
If your wealth is enough to serve as security for a credit line that you use to fund your daily spending, it’s enough to be taxed.
I pay property taxes based on the value of my home, but what home is worth billions?
Yeah, TBF that foundation has done a lot of good.
