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Republican lawmakers in Texas have once again introduced a bill that tries to shove fetal personhood into carpool lane regulations. This time, however, the bill passed the House after an amendment from Democrats to include all mothers, whether their children are in the car or not. The dangerous proposal that could further entrench the idea of personhood into state law now goes to the Senate for consideration.
I mean pregnant women get priority seats on busses. It would make sense they get priority lanes in traffic too. I dont see a big deal. I’m just glad they have HOV lanes at all.
Meanwhile in Georgia, they got rid of their HOV and bus lanes and made them into toll lanes for rich people.
It’s how they always go. Just look at how Miami turned out. Fucking $20 to be in stop and go traffic for ten miles.
What is it if you dont pay?
It requires the fast/e/sunshine pass that is radio monitored. I’m sure some people do it in other people’s cars that don’t have it, but it’s a fairly hefty ticket if I remember correctly.
I don’t know what’s wrong with Texas. It’s like NO ONE can’t do shiut and they just let any dumb ass pass any laws they come up with on their christian fanatism cause I bet non of it is even endorced by God/Jesus or higher beings. It’s like Ted Cruz and Abbot can pass any laws they want regardless of what the constituents wants and really wish. We’re against Muslims and jihads stuff about how they treat women and their clothes they need to wear but this same texas republican fanatics are pushing in the exact same direction with all their supposedly religious laws, which are just plain bullshit. Just think about a law Ted Cruz passed not too long ago about restricting dildos to 6 per person, like why do you even need to do that with what purpose and how does that even help texas at all?
It’s always weird when we actually get good legislation passed because of this.
Im a bit shocked they are ok with the “Creature attached to the womb” driving.
But they won’t let fetuses count toward your tax exemptions.
Yet…
This isn’t just a horrifically-misleading headline, it’s straight-up false.
The bill originally was written to directly establish personhood of a fetus, but Democrats got an amendment in that keeps the “pregnant mothers get to use the carpool lane” part, without the language that establishes personhood for a fetus. They literally called the Republicans’ bluff on “this bill is about supporting mothers”, by making that specific. This caused one Republican to retract his vote, because the amendment “guts the pro-life purpose of the bill”.
Don’t you know people who use the Internet can’t be bothered to read the article!
Some of us are completely illiterate!
I might believe democrats are playing 4d chess if they ever accomplished anything that didn’t get used against them.
How do cops determine if a woman is pregnant or beer bellied though? They make em pee on a stick they carry with the breathalyzer?
The pregnancy registry of course.
It’s still a stupid waste of everyone’s time.
How is everyone involved in this not mortally fucking embarrassed over even discussing this stupidity with any seriousness?
This is sexist against fathers and therefore unconstitutional.
Bill text:
Sec. 545.429. USE OF HIGH OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANE BY CERTAIN OPERATORS. (a) Subject to Subsection (b), a female operator of a motor vehicle who is pregnant or is a parent or legal guardian of another person is entitled to use any high occupancy vehicle lane in this state regardless of the number of occupants in the motor vehicle.
Texas Constitution:
ARTICLE 1. BILL OF RIGHTS
Sec. 3a. EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW. Equality under the law shall not be denied or abridged because of sex, race, color, creed, or national origin. This amendment is self-operative.
What this would actually do (once the test case ruled that it would have to apply to fathers too) is destroy HOV lanes entirely by making everybody able to use them, since the state would have the burden of proof to show that the driver has never had children.
destroy HOV lanes entirely by making everybody able to use them
In Texas, God intended for you to use the most gas possible, and sharing a ride is communism.
Came here to say this too. This just makes HOV pointless.
In my experience , they’re pretty much already useless anyway.
They’re not managed at all anyway. This just paves the way towards pulling up the little bumpy things that divide the HOV from the rest of the road.
Maybe in Texas, but other states I’ve lived in they are definitely managed and enforced.
But this article is about Texas…
Wouldn’t maternity leave also be sexist with that logic?
That’s why on the first world we have paternity leave. I as a father even had breastfeeding breaks, with the intention of giving the same rights to both parents.
I was with you right up to the breastfeeding breaks, what exactly is the game plan for that break?
Two fold: first, making both parents equal in rights. Second, you can pump milk in advance and give with a bottle. Even if it’s formula, allows the father to be involved.
So it’s just a feeding break?
Pumped milk can be stored in a bottle and taken with you anywhere you want. I’m told it’s very convenient.
Snacks on the go
In somewhat decent states we have it. Oregon does 12 weeks paternity leave and allows it to be intermittent. I did 2 days off for several months recently for our newest screaming asshole of a baby.
There’s a material difference between the impact of pregnancy on mothers and fathers (though the latter should also get leave, but I understand if someone argues that mothers need more to recover physically).
This has no bearing on which lane one can use.
If you’re a transgender man who can get pregnant, I don’t see why you cannot use the HOV lane 🫃
Well, yeah.
But also maternity leave isn’t even in the law here in the US anyway (maybe some states have it for all I know, but even if so I doubt Texas is among them), so it’s equal-opportunity shittiness and the clause I cited doesn’t really apply.
4 seat cars can now advertise as seating 36… 4 octomoms
IMHO, HOV lanes were originally intended to encourage carpooling and getting cars off the road. Since nobody under 16 could even potentially be (legally) driving on their own, they shouldn’t count as occupants at all.
Two+ adults required.
This makes sense, but how about the soccer moms carrying 6 kids. Would rather them make it about seats filled by breathing humans.
This be clear, what if that soccer mom were carpooling for the team/neighborhood? We’re not just talking about someone with a lot of kids.
They are pay-to-win where I am, can be just you in your 2014 v10 expedition as long as you pay the $5.50 a mile toll.
Correct, even in progressive CA we have that. Granted, it’s like $30 bucks during rush hour but I’ve seen it used by the worst of humanity.
If the fetus is allowed to own a gun, it should count.
You say that like children just won’t go anywhere instead. All your thought here would do would be requiring parents to drive their children in separate cars. So it’s essentially the same thing.
Also don’t we do enough in this country to make children’s lives terrible? Don’t we pile enough injustices on them? Do you really need another way to tell them they don’t count as people? Another way to tell them they have no rights?
If riding in normal lanes on the highway instead of getting special access is “having no rights as people” we are a long way apart on what “human rights” really means.
Hey quick question, who are you quoting there? Cuz neither of those phrases appeared in my comment. So I was just curious who you were supposed to be quoting. Surely you weren’t just making up quotes for me and then making arguments based on those made up quotes right?
Awww you’re too afraid to actually be consistent with your point in the presence of a percieved mistake from someone else.
I don’t think it’s a perceived mistake if someone explicitly misquotes you and then makes arguments based on those explicit misquotes. That’s neither perceived nor mistake.
However if there’s a portion of my argument you’d like to question me about I’d be happy to Enlighten you.
Ma’am I need you to step out for a field pregnancy test please. STOP RESISTING PEE ON THE STICK
They don’t have to be in the car. So i don’t know how you prove it. You take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent, if you’re female I believe you qualify to drive around in the HOV lane. Take care of Grandma and file her as a dependent as a male, you don’t qualify if I’m reading this bill correctly. Or maybe dependents like that aren’t considered part of guardianship? Not sure. It all sounds dumb.
Fair game to collect life insurance on miscarriages now right? My wife has one every month or so, and why yes, I am the beneficiary.
Wouldn’t you need to take out insurance first
Sure, but if fetuses are people, you should be able to take out a policy at about 6 weeks.
Depends on the company’s regulations. For example, I think it’s harder to take out a life insurance policy if you’re on death’s door
Good point that makes sense!
Who writes regulations?
I’d assume the company
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_agency
Companies set policy. That policy has to fit within regulations set by government.
I want my state, a smaller blue state, to start using this same logic. Namely, I think we should, using donor cells and cloning techniques, arrange to have 100 million frozen embryos sitting in freezers in the state capital. Logically, if embryos are people, then those 100 million embryos should count as citizens for the sake of Congressional representation and federal funding.
This is a very interesting concept. They would have to be born in order to be a (natural born) citizen I think. But, it should still work because the census is required to count residents not citizens
Why help them establish that fetus=person?
(Edit: Having seen the other comments including the language of the bill, it makes more sense.)
They didn’t. They made mothers able to use HOV lanes without a second occupant, blocking the GOP’s attempts to use HOV lanes to normalize fetal personhood.
Yeah, makes more sense now. Thanks
That’s what I tell my GF; these measures aren’t about taking care of the fetus. They’re about establishing law supporting unborn ‘rights’ vs the mother’s. Requiring child support for carrying mothers? Just another law designed to legitimize unborn/fetal personhood. Sure, it sounds good on paper, but let’s instead work on protecting a woman’s medical privacy rights and rights to abortion. Then if we want to develop additional rights around that supporting HOV lanes, medical treatment, pregnancy leave, and child support? Sure, let’s do it.
HB 2462 passed on Saturday by a vote of 130-2, with all Democrats present voting yes. Notably, Cain voted against it and said in a statement explaining his vote that he did so because Rep. Hinojosa’s amendment “guts the pro-life purpose of the bill.” He wrote, “As originally written, the bill recognized that the unborn child was an additional occupant. The amendment totally disregards this principle.” This should really give the fetal personhood game away: He only cared about defining an “unborn child” as a person.
Exactly!
Because Democrats and Republicans take orders from the same rich masters.
Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
Play stupid games, forfeit your country’s democracy.
Well this is fucking stupid.
