• mlg@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Hillary would have done the same thing as Biden on Israel

    Democrats have failed to fix all the insane crap Regean did because the DNC learned about how much money they were missing out on

    I still maintain Bernie should run independent. The DNC ensures he will never win the primary, and it was proven by the email leak back in 2016 which is why no one voted for Hillary.

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      In a first-past-the-post system, an independent only ends up stealing votes from the mainstream candidate that’s closest to their position. He’d undermine the Democratic candidate, making a Republican win more likely. He’s smart enough not to want to do that.

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      Maybe we could find a 50 yo with Bernie’s values and he could be on their cabinet. Idgaf about vibes, but maybe we could put someone in that’s not on deaths door?

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    I mean yeah that’s true but it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine.

    If anything he is gonna be even more pro-israel because it’s a white supremacist colony.

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      it’s not like Trump is gonna be pro-palestine

      Trump loves Netanyahu for doing in Israel what he wants to do in the US.

      Biden loves Israel because he’s bought all the Only Liberal Democracy In The Middle East propaganda they’ve been spewing for decades.

      But if you’re a college student getting your head cracked by a SWAT team storming the Columbia campus, Biden is the one asking for your vote. Trump is asking for the SWAT guy’s vote.

      And that’s why Trump is going to win. The SWAT guy is going to turn out for Trump while the protester spends the day in the ER.

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    I didn’t like her purchase and manipulation of the Democrat party, and abrogating the democratic process in denying the people their choice of Bernie Sanders.

    But hey, let’s not quibble about words.

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      Yeah, from my perspective, it failed long before that. The Democrats couldn’t achieve their true objective if they had allowed Bernie to be elected, which was to give the illusion of a better option while ensuring that the status quo isn’t affected where it relates to power and wealth.

      Bernie was blocked for the same reason Biden isn’t trying to block Israel from destroying Palestine.

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        The democrats don’t care, as long as they don’t offend their base. And then doing any sort of legit challenge/change/effort, would offend that base.

        The average democratic voter is incredibly complacent and happy with the status quo in this country.

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          They don’t really care too much about their base. It’s really their donors and themselves that they care about. The donors and the important people in the democratic party are very rich, so a Trump dictatorship would merely be an inconvenience and embarrassment to them. If it really got bad they’d move to another country and try to gain support as the legitimate government in exile.

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        Such a wide open door to walk through, and our broken incestuous Democrat party couldn’t get their shit together enough to run a candidate who can talk.

        DON’T BLAME THE VOTERS.

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    I think you all have a delusionally inflated opinion of both Bernie Sanders and progressive politics as a whole.

    Bernie is a self described socialist. He lost in the primaries to middling candidates in both 2016 and 2020. He in particular has dismal performance among women over 30 and black people as a whole.

    The progressive movement as a whole is even worse. At least Bernie makes an attempt to win hearts and minds. Progressives are obsessed with insane purity tests and horrible messaging that alienates everyone who doesn’t already agree with them.

    Look at this tweet. The whole “anyone remotely to the right of me on Israel/Palestine is morally repugnant” stuff works in echo chambers, but would get you absolutely rocked in an election.

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    If from 2 choices 1 means the death of democracy, the democracy is already dead. That was already true back then. I hate this post because I completly bushes over that fact and is only there to guilt trip people who want real change outside the 2 party system.

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      It’s more like it’s in a coma right now. It’s not responding to stimulus, but there are signs of life. Theoretically if democrats win decisively, the Republican party could be forced to move to the center to become electable again.

      But, if the Republicans win, it could be the end of democracy in the US. The Republicans know the odds of their winning another free and fair election are near zero, so their best bet to stay in power is to make sure they don’t have to face any more free and fair elections.

      Despite all the chaos, despite the Republicans attempting to kill the democratic process, the Biden administration has actually managed quite a few meaningful and positive things. He’s not a very inspiring option as “leader of the free world”, but as someone who sits at the head of the table and delegates things out, his record is pretty good. But, it’s pretty damning that the system has Americans choosing between a criminal fascist, and an old man who probably won’t last 4 years.

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    21 hours ago

    No, no, I was assured Hillary Clinton was Basically The Same as Trump and Both Sides Were Bad.

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    Homer Simpson meme “Democracies all around the world!”

    If Trump wins, the US will likely conduct an isolationist policy on the way forward, creating a power vacuum on the world stage, which will be likely filled in the likes of Russia and China, but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!

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      but that’ll be the good impe… sorry, the good great power protecting smaller nations!

      If Trump is elected, he will enthusiastically pivot to more militant anti-China policy.

      He’s close friends with Duterte and Marcos in the Philippines, and with the Parks in Korea. He’s popular among Australian white nationalists. And he’s the favorite of the Falun Gong and the Taiwanese ultra-nationalists.

      Four years of Trump will almost certainly see us curtail trade with China and send more naval assets into the South China Sea.

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    The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one. Bernie got screwed. We got Trump. The Supreme Court just handed Trump ultimate supreme dictator status. We all know Biden doesn’t have the balls to do anything about it and he certainly isn’t going to win the election.

    As long as the R’s can get 40 seats in the Senate this fall the great experiment finally fails.

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      One thing you got wrong is that Bernie got screwed. He got demolished by Clinton, by 12% points and millions of votes. It wasn’t even close. Democrats wanted Clinton, and the major complaints about the DNC during the primary was that they said nasty things about him in an email and gave her some debate questions. That’s it. It made no difference in the outcome.

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        Am I the only one that remember wieserman-sholtz getting successfully sued over that? I swear this country has the memory of an 81 year old president.

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        Only after the rest of the moderate candidates were convinced to drop out before the debate and voting… Sanders would have likely won the primaries if there were more moderates on the ticket to split the vote.

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          So you’re saying because the winner was someone more representative of who the average Democrat voted, sanders got screwed.

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            No, I’m saying that the DNC has the responsibility to remain impartial, and when it doesn’t, it’s not surprising that the candidate they decide deserves to be president loses.

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              They didn’t decide. The people voted for Clinton and then Biden, overwhelmingly. Because that’s the type of candidate they believe they want. Remember, sanders didnt drop out, he lost. Overwhelmingly so.

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                  Are you pretending that’s been your argument up to this point?

                  Btw, why didn’t you point out that both of them backtracked the comments?

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      The DNC signed it’s death warrant with that one.

      Bernie refused to join the DNC. He was doing his usual pump&dump dirty pool of winning a Primary and refusing the nomination so that the Democrats wouldn’t be able to run anyone in the general.

      Bernie got screwed

      …because he couldn’t get as many votes. None of that superdelegate bullshit people are talking about came to pass. He just wasn’t popular enough among a party he refused to be a member of. Go figure.

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        Absolute immunity for all official acts by a president, whether technically within their power or not. It’s now possible Trump cannot be held accountable for his attempted coup because he did it as the sitting president - because SCOTUS implied it’s Constitutional for him to attempt to overthrow the government.

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    So… People tell me an election year is no time to talk about electoral reform. Every US election year. But! After the election, they scurry away under the refrigerator and stay there for 4 years. I know you have to hold your nose while you vote this time, but catch these weird centrists before they disappear and hold their feet to the fire to influence change. You deserve better than this “I’m not voting for _, I’m voting against _” nonsense. Your government is hurting all of us. Stop it, please.

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      Who has told you not to talk about electoral reform in an election year? I’ve never heard that.

      On top of that, there are plenty of people who are working to change our election system the whole time. The problem is the “I hate the two party system!” People by and large just vote every few years. I work with some locally that are trying to change things from the ground up.

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    Uhhh and today the SCOTUS decided that Trump can never be prosecuted for anything he did or will do whilst president, so actually, democracy died today. Biden won’t abuse this. Trump will, and there will be nothing to stop him from enacting his dictator plans. About that, and the political assassinations, and the president for life, I think Trump is serious.