The guy who regularly wins primaries for his Senate seat and is re-elected?
The guy who never, at any point, won national primaries for the Democratic nomination for President and therefore wasn’t nominated for the Presidency?
I love Bernie, but everyone acting like he was treated unfairly by the party establishment when it was the party base that voted against him is dumb. If he’d won the primaries and then the superdelegates chose Clinton or Biden, that’d be a different story. But that’s not what happened. He lost the primaries, and the people who won those primaries received the nominations.
everyone “acting” like he was treated unfairly by the party establishment…
Did you somehow forget that the DNC was caught conspiring with the Clinton campaign?
Did you forget that when they were sued over it the DNC argued in court that they have the right to choose who would be the Democrat nominee? And that the promise to be impartial in their charter was a mere “political promise” (aka a lie) and they were under no obligation to actually be impartial?
No one is “acting” like anything. It’s a straight up fact that they admitted to under oath.
Did the DNC manipulate the vote? Did they override the primary results? Or did the majority of primary voters support Clinton?
Most of the people who bitch and moan about it didn’t actually bother to vote in the primary. I voted for Bernie. I was out-voted and instead of crying and refusing to vote I voted for Clinton in the general election because Trump was too dangerous while a bunch of Bernie “supporters” didn’t.
Then they got possy with Harris over her objectively-less-bad position on Israel than Trump’s, allowing him to win again.
Show up to the primaries to move the party left. But also show up the the general if you lose, because the reality is twice now people’s demand of perfection from the Dems has resulted in Trump being president.
Yes, they did. They clearly and unambiguously did. They were caught red handed doing it and never denied that they had. They argued in court that it was their right to manipulate voters in order to get their preferred candidate the nomination. I don’t know of any definition of the word “manipulation” that wouldn’t encompass their actions.
Perhaps even more importantly, do you imagine for even one second that the DNCs policy or strategy has changed even one iota? Do you think they have magically and for no reason at all stopped manipulating things in order to get their preferred candidate nominated? Do you not find it problematic that they admitted in federal court to not being impartial and that they are within their rights to choose the nominee?
The rest of your post is irrelevant to my point, those things were not what I was discussing. I was directly responding to your statement which I quoted, but I’ll address it anyway.
I agree that people should practice harm reduction by voting for the DNC’s terrible candidates when the alternative is literal fascism. I did and so did most Bernie supporters, despite them being understandably upset by the DNCs underhanded tactics.
I know it’s a popular narrative amongst liberals to blame leftists and “Bernie Bros” for the DNCs failures in getting candidates nominated who could actually win against the Orange Fascist, but it’s not their fault.
It was the racist and sexist “moderates” who were responsible for Trump getting elected, as the data clearly shows.
But let’s say for arguments sake that it actually was the leftists and Bernie supporters who caused Clinton and Harris to be defeated by Trump. If that were the case, do you really think it would be a wise strategy to keep blaming them for Trump? Do you think doubling down on propping up right wing Democrats and fighting against more progressive Democrats would be a good strategy in such a scenario?
Then they got possy with Harris over her “objectively-less-bad position” on Israel than Trump’s
If you think that Biden and Harris’ “softer, gentler, but still clearly genocide” position on Israel was the only criticism that leftists had of them, then you clearly weren’t trying to hear what we had to say, and maybe that is part of the problem.
My definition of manipulating the vote would be changing the results.
They didn’t do that. Clinton got more primary votes than Sanders. Biden got.more primary votes than Sanders.
And the reason they didn’t like Bernie makes some sense. Bernie wasn’t a Democrat. He was an independent who decided to run on the Democratic ticket because he knew that running third party would split the vote. But the Dems didn’t like the outsider trying to take over the party. They saw it as an attempt at a hostile takeover.
My definition of manipulating the vote would be changing the results.
Ok? That doesn’t disprove anything I said.
They didn’t do that.
How do you know? The parties literally run the elections, and they have already admitted they are biased and believe they have the right to pick the candidate. I wouldn’t put it past an organization so corrupt to do exactly that
Clearly the corporate sellout, neoliberal centrists aren’t going to like the fact that an actual leftist was becoming more popular than them. He would make it harder to stay in the pocket of the megacorps.
The point is what you said about them not treating Bernie unfairly is patently false.
The point is in a Democracy, especially one where we are limited to two parties, they absolutely should be impartial and listen to what their constituents actually want, and not prop up establishment Dems simply because that’s what they would prefer.
The point is the biggest hurdle to actual progress is the party that people depend on to make progress.
The point is that it’s concerning that you don’t have a problem with their underhanded tactics.
Why did you even vote for Bernie if you are a neoliberal? Are you just saying random shit to try and confuse people?
I’m not really sure what your game is or why you are making excuses for disturbing behavior amongst Democrats, but honestly it’s gross.
You’re just going to ignore the democratic party coordinating all the candidates to drop and put their support behind Biden while funding a PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Bernie right before super tuesday? Plus having their big media buddies run the story of “the Biden miracle” after getting democratic party stooge Clyburn to endorse Biden and come out ahead in South Carolina (the state that went to Trump in the general election, by the way).
Also, the superdelegates made it look like the lead that Clinton had was so insurmountable that it was pointless to turn out for Bernie.
If you think these have no effect then, by the same logic, you’d think that billionaires spending tons of money on PACs has no effect.
Hi, I’m a lifelong DNC voter, I think Mamdani is cool and he even got congratulated by Bill Clinton, so I don’t think the DNC you’re talking about really exist in any sizable number. Also, if we cared about corporate donations we, the DNC, wouldn’t have outlawed them for 7 years until the Citizens United SCOTUS decision brought it back.
I think the nail in Cuomo’s Coffin was saying him and Trump had a mutual respect, which is not only not true but also pissed off a ton of Democrats.
look, I’d prefer clinton over trump any day. but acting like the DNC is all hunky about non-dem-stalwarts playing in their kiddy pool is pretty ridiculous.
she wasn’t polarizing at all huh? everyone loved her kumbaya
no, half the progressive side held there nose and voted for the least-worst. remember doing that? or did you vote for trump because your feefees got hurt about something?
she never had a chance but was pushed anyway. even when people who didn’t like her voted for her, it couldn’t overcome her negative baggage. decades worth.
sure, a lot of that is deplorables and misogynists and fuck them, but, bernie was the better choice every which way. even the birds endorsed him.
She actually polled among the most popular politicians in the USA once upon a time, and her husband Bill Clinton was the last president to create surplus. I wouldn’t really call it decades of negative baggage. Ffs, she participated in the Civil Rights movement alongside Bernie Sanders.
Oh yes of course, the party has changed so much in that time! We had the radical communist Biden elected and all our progressive policies were implemented cementing the democrats victories for a decade to come.
OH wait, it’s still the same party trying to screw over progressives at every turn? You say Obama got on the phone and got all the other democrats to drop out in the primaries in the 2020 race the day before super tuesday and promised them cabinet positions in the admin?
Yeah that sure sounds like the party has changed a lot in 10 years and they learned their lessons losing to Trump TWICE
All the DNC guys released the same agreed on “congratulations” statement because traditionally they’re expected to explicitly endorse the winner of the Dem primary for the general election, like Jerry Nadler did, and they’re making a point of refusing to do that.
Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?
“Record” lol. This is not a fuctional democracy if people just refuses to participate. Like literally every primary has horrible turnout. People this lazy don’t deserve a democracy.
We had a primary in 2024. He was pressured into stepping down after winning. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton’s collusion was reprehensible, and also extremely rare.
I’m also referring to the congressional and state primaries that only see 15% attendance, yet you, like most Americans, think we only vote once every four years.
With the party suing as many opponents off as many state ballots as they could. There was only one candidate that made it to the ballot in all 50 states. Like party leadership wanted.
And dear god did centrists lose their absolute shit at people who voted uncommitted in their pretend primaries.
The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.
They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.
This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.
You’re not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.
Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.
That’s part of it, but not everything. In the 2020 presidential primary the number one issue for everyone, including seniors, was electability. Beating Trump was what Democratic voters cared about, and cable news blared the false but believable message that only a centrist who could capture Republican votes could do that.
Another big issue is, oddly enough, minority voters. Minorities are not all that different from other populations in their policy views, but they do tend to be far more committed to the team blue. (Though that commitment is waning). That means that minority conservatives tend to vote in Democratic primaries, giving us more conservative Democratic nominations.
I really wish more people would vote on something other than their own perceived self interest. Barring that dream, we need to fix broken perceptions. The people seniors and others are voting for, in both primaries and general elections, don’t actually serve the interests of their voters.
True. There’s also the problem of closed primaries. You’d never believe how many independents and other third-party registered voters were turned away at the polls in the 2016 primary in NY. 30/50 states have closed primaries, and people participate in them so rarely, they didn’t know any better.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare his support to Adams’ 2021 purse. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
I really don’t think they care. These people have no shame. I read that 40% of the leading Democrats that endorsed Cuomo had previously called for his resignation after his numerous sexual assaults came to light. The party that lauds itself as the champion of and defender of women’s and minority rights rallied hard to support a corrupt sexual predator over a Muslim, simply because he was progressive instead of a conservative. Hell, arch sex pest Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo.
These people have no shame. “Calling people out” or “slamming” people means nothing. If calling people out changed their behavior, Cuomo, who sexually assaulted at least a dozen women, would have never been seen in public again.
Seriously. How can you think that leaders that openly endorse a sexual molester give a single fuck about being called out publicly for their bad behavior?
I would take it to mean that if they start to do him dirty he won’t be passive about it like Bernie, and he’ll put them on blast with proof of how they’re rat fucking him compared to their preferred candidate.
I loved Bernie but man he should have swung low when the DNC started their shit.
He will not be quiet about corruption. He’ll make sure every last person in the nation hears about their wrongdoings, and use it as leverage for his campaign. Watch videos of him debating Cuomo. Not one of Cuomo’s attacks go unanswered.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose. The DNC and RNC have too many contenders, so they run primaries to let us pick their candidates. That’s what primary elections are.
If anything, they’d give Adams money. They occasionally fund spoilers, just like the RNC. Even though Adams is on the Republican ticket, he’s more likely to be the spoiler in the general election.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose.
Yep, and a losing candidate can choose to participate in the general to ensure the opposing party wins by splitting the vote, which is what the establishment Dems do when a progressive successfully primaries the…
First of all, if Cuomo runs as an independent, he’ll make Adams the spoiler to his platform. Secondly, there are only ~350k millionaires in NYC. They’re the ones who will be taxed more by Mamdani’s plan. You’re acting like the city is run by them, but we got the numbers. We just need to show up and vote.
It’s literally ranked choice voting. There is hardly any spoiler effect unless there are so many candidates you couldn’t possibly find the one’s you want to vote for.
I’ve lived in NY since the 70s. Being on the Democratic ticket is all he needs for the average know-nothing voter. He just beat out six other candidates with a grassroots primary campaign. He doesn’t need their money. He just needed to be in the blue/working families column.
But sure, tell me all about how you know everything. I’ll be sure to take notes.
We literally just picked the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor. What about that is confusing to you? If the DNC didn’t want him, they shouldn’t have allowed him in the primary. That part is over now. Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic candidate. That’s how primaries work. Stop misinforming people. Most are uninformed on the process as it is.
You realise you can present historical actions that support your argument without being a complete bellend about it, right?
For example, in 2015 Bernie Sanders was becoming a hot favourite to become the public’s new pin-up boy for the 2016 presidential run. Unfortunately for him, it is alleged that the DNC had already banked on Hilary Clinton being the primary winner, so their plan may have had it’s legs done before they even started.
So, it is widely reported that the DNC provided very little support to Sanders for the remainder of his campaign run, while pouring big money and organising competing support behind Clinton, stacking the odds in her favour.
In this instance, history tells us that whereas a candidate may be supremely popular, they may not end up getting the support of the political party they represent.
(The above is a massive oversimplification to fit into a bite sized lemmy post, so points of discussion are expected)
Or people who have been through more than one election cycle and have seen how far the establishment will go to tank a candidate they don’t like in favor of a milquetoast conservative that will lose to a real conservative in the general.
So, now it’s up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.
I’ll be happy when the election has run its course without the party engaging in the sort of fuckery they can’t ever seem to stop themselves from engaging in.
Isn’t this how change happens?
But voting for who you believe in in the primaries and your preferred party in the general?
in theory, yes.
in practice the DNC will protect corporate donations at all cost.
For reference see Bernie Sanders.
Exactly
The guy who regularly wins primaries for his Senate seat and is re-elected?
The guy who never, at any point, won national primaries for the Democratic nomination for President and therefore wasn’t nominated for the Presidency?
I love Bernie, but everyone acting like he was treated unfairly by the party establishment when it was the party base that voted against him is dumb. If he’d won the primaries and then the superdelegates chose Clinton or Biden, that’d be a different story. But that’s not what happened. He lost the primaries, and the people who won those primaries received the nominations.
Did you somehow forget that the DNC was caught conspiring with the Clinton campaign?
Did you forget that when they were sued over it the DNC argued in court that they have the right to choose who would be the Democrat nominee? And that the promise to be impartial in their charter was a mere “political promise” (aka a lie) and they were under no obligation to actually be impartial?
No one is “acting” like anything. It’s a straight up fact that they admitted to under oath.
Did the DNC manipulate the vote? Did they override the primary results? Or did the majority of primary voters support Clinton?
Most of the people who bitch and moan about it didn’t actually bother to vote in the primary. I voted for Bernie. I was out-voted and instead of crying and refusing to vote I voted for Clinton in the general election because Trump was too dangerous while a bunch of Bernie “supporters” didn’t.
Then they got possy with Harris over her objectively-less-bad position on Israel than Trump’s, allowing him to win again.
Show up to the primaries to move the party left. But also show up the the general if you lose, because the reality is twice now people’s demand of perfection from the Dems has resulted in Trump being president.
Yes, they did. They clearly and unambiguously did. They were caught red handed doing it and never denied that they had. They argued in court that it was their right to manipulate voters in order to get their preferred candidate the nomination. I don’t know of any definition of the word “manipulation” that wouldn’t encompass their actions.
Perhaps even more importantly, do you imagine for even one second that the DNCs policy or strategy has changed even one iota? Do you think they have magically and for no reason at all stopped manipulating things in order to get their preferred candidate nominated? Do you not find it problematic that they admitted in federal court to not being impartial and that they are within their rights to choose the nominee?
The rest of your post is irrelevant to my point, those things were not what I was discussing. I was directly responding to your statement which I quoted, but I’ll address it anyway.
I agree that people should practice harm reduction by voting for the DNC’s terrible candidates when the alternative is literal fascism. I did and so did most Bernie supporters, despite them being understandably upset by the DNCs underhanded tactics.
I know it’s a popular narrative amongst liberals to blame leftists and “Bernie Bros” for the DNCs failures in getting candidates nominated who could actually win against the Orange Fascist, but it’s not their fault.
It was the racist and sexist “moderates” who were responsible for Trump getting elected, as the data clearly shows.
But let’s say for arguments sake that it actually was the leftists and Bernie supporters who caused Clinton and Harris to be defeated by Trump. If that were the case, do you really think it would be a wise strategy to keep blaming them for Trump? Do you think doubling down on propping up right wing Democrats and fighting against more progressive Democrats would be a good strategy in such a scenario?
If you think that Biden and Harris’ “softer, gentler, but still clearly genocide” position on Israel was the only criticism that leftists had of them, then you clearly weren’t trying to hear what we had to say, and maybe that is part of the problem.
My definition of manipulating the vote would be changing the results.
They didn’t do that. Clinton got more primary votes than Sanders. Biden got.more primary votes than Sanders.
And the reason they didn’t like Bernie makes some sense. Bernie wasn’t a Democrat. He was an independent who decided to run on the Democratic ticket because he knew that running third party would split the vote. But the Dems didn’t like the outsider trying to take over the party. They saw it as an attempt at a hostile takeover.
Ok? That doesn’t disprove anything I said.
How do you know? The parties literally run the elections, and they have already admitted they are biased and believe they have the right to pick the candidate. I wouldn’t put it past an organization so corrupt to do exactly that
Clearly the corporate sellout, neoliberal centrists aren’t going to like the fact that an actual leftist was becoming more popular than them. He would make it harder to stay in the pocket of the megacorps.
The point is what you said about them not treating Bernie unfairly is patently false.
The point is in a Democracy, especially one where we are limited to two parties, they absolutely should be impartial and listen to what their constituents actually want, and not prop up establishment Dems simply because that’s what they would prefer.
The point is the biggest hurdle to actual progress is the party that people depend on to make progress.
The point is that it’s concerning that you don’t have a problem with their underhanded tactics.
Why did you even vote for Bernie if you are a neoliberal? Are you just saying random shit to try and confuse people?
I’m not really sure what your game is or why you are making excuses for disturbing behavior amongst Democrats, but honestly it’s gross.
Do you think Buttigieg actually won the Iowa caucus?
You’re just going to ignore the democratic party coordinating all the candidates to drop and put their support behind Biden while funding a PAC to keep Warren in the race to split votes with Bernie right before super tuesday? Plus having their big media buddies run the story of “the Biden miracle” after getting democratic party stooge Clyburn to endorse Biden and come out ahead in South Carolina (the state that went to Trump in the general election, by the way).
Also, the superdelegates made it look like the lead that Clinton had was so insurmountable that it was pointless to turn out for Bernie.
If you think these have no effect then, by the same logic, you’d think that billionaires spending tons of money on PACs has no effect.
Clyburn endorsed Cuomo. His endorsement can’t even swing a mayoral primary anymore. Thank god.
I think his endorsement still holds sway in his state of South Carolina, but thankfully it doesn’t mean anything in New York.
It held sway in tx when he endorsed coathanger cuellar.
His influence is waning.
People downvoting you: “no, not like that”.
Hi, I’m a lifelong DNC voter, I think Mamdani is cool and he even got congratulated by Bill Clinton, so I don’t think the DNC you’re talking about really exist in any sizable number. Also, if we cared about corporate donations we, the DNC, wouldn’t have outlawed them for 7 years until the Citizens United SCOTUS decision brought it back.
I think the nail in Cuomo’s Coffin was saying him and Trump had a mutual respect, which is not only not true but also pissed off a ton of Democrats.
pfft. it’s the same dnc that screwed bernie over for hillary; remember when bill got on the plane with the AG?
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/05/04/when_loretta_met_bill_on_the_tarmac_140244.html
look, I’d prefer clinton over trump any day. but acting like the DNC is all hunky about non-dem-stalwarts playing in their kiddy pool is pretty ridiculous.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by millions of votes. It was 13M to 16M.
and it did us so much fucking good.
she wasn’t polarizing at all huh? everyone loved her kumbaya
no, half the progressive side held there nose and voted for the least-worst. remember doing that? or did you vote for trump because your feefees got hurt about something?
She would have been a fantastic president and avoided much of the Trump failures. We all should have come together for that outcome.
she never had a chance but was pushed anyway. even when people who didn’t like her voted for her, it couldn’t overcome her negative baggage. decades worth.
sure, a lot of that is deplorables and misogynists and fuck them, but, bernie was the better choice every which way. even the birds endorsed him.
She actually polled among the most popular politicians in the USA once upon a time, and her husband Bill Clinton was the last president to create surplus. I wouldn’t really call it decades of negative baggage. Ffs, she participated in the Civil Rights movement alongside Bernie Sanders.
Bernie lost the primary ten years ago.
Get over it.
Oh yes of course, the party has changed so much in that time! We had the radical communist Biden elected and all our progressive policies were implemented cementing the democrats victories for a decade to come.
OH wait, it’s still the same party trying to screw over progressives at every turn? You say Obama got on the phone and got all the other democrats to drop out in the primaries in the 2020 race the day before super tuesday and promised them cabinet positions in the admin?
Yeah that sure sounds like the party has changed a lot in 10 years and they learned their lessons losing to Trump TWICE
yeah things have gone SO well for libs since then.
HEY, it’s almost like… MISTAKES WERE MADE?
Or did you prefer this result?
Has it gone any better for the progressives?
ok ok you’re on the right path
it hasn’t, now follow that line of thought to completion. the DNC keeps pushing half ass candidates instead of popular progressives and keeps losing.
so work it out, you maggoty cumfart of a human, come on you’re so goddamned close to actual enlightenment
Progressives should stop whining about Bernie losing and vote in DNC primaries?
All the DNC guys released the same agreed on “congratulations” statement because traditionally they’re expected to explicitly endorse the winner of the Dem primary for the general election, like Jerry Nadler did, and they’re making a point of refusing to do that.
Cuomo is running as independent to split the vote and promote a republican candidate.
yhea Democracy my ass
It’s never worked so far, I don’t see why the DNC is about to start.
The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates. We do. In the primaries. That’s what primaries are.
Except for the most recent presidential election. And when they buried Sanders. And that’s just what we know about.
😂😂😂 “The DNC doesn’t pick the candidates.” 🤣🤣🤣
Does anyone else remember the primary we didn’t have for the 2024 election? Or how about how dirty they did our boy Bernie in 2016? Or how about the fact that you can’t even run as a Democrat unless you bring them at least $1m in fundraising?
You mean the primary where less than 30% of voters even participated in, with most just being lazy and sitting at home?
(source: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/06/10/turnout-was-high-in-the-2016-primary-season-but-just-short-of-2008-record/)
“Record” lol. This is not a fuctional democracy if people just refuses to participate. Like literally every primary has horrible turnout. People this lazy don’t deserve a democracy.
We had a primary in 2024. He was pressured into stepping down after winning. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Hillary Clinton’s collusion was reprehensible, and also extremely rare.
I’m also referring to the congressional and state primaries that only see 15% attendance, yet you, like most Americans, think we only vote once every four years.
With the party suing as many opponents off as many state ballots as they could. There was only one candidate that made it to the ballot in all 50 states. Like party leadership wanted.
And dear god did centrists lose their absolute shit at people who voted uncommitted in their pretend primaries.
The problem isn’t the “DNC” it’s the Democratic establishment. That includes all their operatives in media that help keep the masses in check. The sad fact is that not enough voters pay that much attention. The vast majority of the time, the establishment gets their pick.
They don’t get their pick. The relentless retirees do, if the working class doesn’t participate in the primaries. I’ve volunteered many times over the last 25 years. The elderly come in droves. They also have very different needs than the working class.
Congressional primaries see less than 15% turnout. The 2025 NYC Mayoral Democratic primary saw 30%, up from 21% in 2021. That’s all it took to make a difference.
This is something voters need to own. Sign up for mailers if you forget to vote. Sign up for mail-in ballots if you have an irregular schedule. Research the candidates in the primary and vote.
You’re not wrong, but where do the retirees get their news? Most of the retirees I know are all way to manipulated by cable news, and that is nothing but 24x7 establishment propaganda.
Absolutely. They also have no need to vote in favor of minimum wage increases or any other benefits for the working class. Their biggest concern is low taxes on their retirement accounts, which is why they pick the centrist Democrat when voting in the Democratic primary.
That’s part of it, but not everything. In the 2020 presidential primary the number one issue for everyone, including seniors, was electability. Beating Trump was what Democratic voters cared about, and cable news blared the false but believable message that only a centrist who could capture Republican votes could do that.
Another big issue is, oddly enough, minority voters. Minorities are not all that different from other populations in their policy views, but they do tend to be far more committed to the team blue. (Though that commitment is waning). That means that minority conservatives tend to vote in Democratic primaries, giving us more conservative Democratic nominations.
I really wish more people would vote on something other than their own perceived self interest. Barring that dream, we need to fix broken perceptions. The people seniors and others are voting for, in both primaries and general elections, don’t actually serve the interests of their voters.
True. There’s also the problem of closed primaries. You’d never believe how many independents and other third-party registered voters were turned away at the polls in the 2016 primary in NY. 30/50 states have closed primaries, and people participate in them so rarely, they didn’t know any better.
The problem isn’t water, it’s H2O.
It wasn’t that long of a comment. You really couldn’t get to the end before responding?
Winning the primary =/= actually getting the support of the party apparatus behind you.
They aren’t required to fund him, that’s true, but all campaign donations from the DNC are transparent. He can compare his support to Adams’ 2021 purse. They also can’t stop him from fundraising directly.
If he makes it clear that they are withholding financial support given to prior candidates, then people will donate to him directly, and the DNC will be publicly called out for favoring past candidates. That’s the last thing they need after the Debbie Wasserman-Shultz/Hillary Clinton scandal.
I really don’t think they care. These people have no shame. I read that 40% of the leading Democrats that endorsed Cuomo had previously called for his resignation after his numerous sexual assaults came to light. The party that lauds itself as the champion of and defender of women’s and minority rights rallied hard to support a corrupt sexual predator over a Muslim, simply because he was progressive instead of a conservative. Hell, arch sex pest Bill Clinton endorsed Cuomo.
These people have no shame. “Calling people out” or “slamming” people means nothing. If calling people out changed their behavior, Cuomo, who sexually assaulted at least a dozen women, would have never been seen in public again.
Seriously. How can you think that leaders that openly endorse a sexual molester give a single fuck about being called out publicly for their bad behavior?
They may have no shame, but Zohran has no chill. We’ll find out soon enough.
what the fuck does this even mean? honest query
I would take it to mean that if they start to do him dirty he won’t be passive about it like Bernie, and he’ll put them on blast with proof of how they’re rat fucking him compared to their preferred candidate.
I loved Bernie but man he should have swung low when the DNC started their shit.
He will not be quiet about corruption. He’ll make sure every last person in the nation hears about their wrongdoings, and use it as leverage for his campaign. Watch videos of him debating Cuomo. Not one of Cuomo’s attacks go unanswered.
Except in 2016, 2020, and 2024
theoretically for sure. in practice, it seems like the people make their picks, then the dnc makes sure those picks never get far.
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Yeah, Pete definitely won the Iowa caucus.
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Uh-huh
What’s Cuomo doing right now? Oh yeah, ignoring the primary.
What are you talking about? He lost the Democratic nomination to Mamdani. Now he has to run as an independent.
Primaries are held by parties. It’s not entrance into the general election. Anyone with the cash can run as any party they choose. The DNC and RNC have too many contenders, so they run primaries to let us pick their candidates. That’s what primary elections are.
And how much do you want to bet he will be backed and supported by the DNC during his ‘independent’ campaign?
If anything, they’d give Adams money. They occasionally fund spoilers, just like the RNC. Even though Adams is on the Republican ticket, he’s more likely to be the spoiler in the general election.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_effect
He knows exactly what he’s doing
Yep, and a losing candidate can choose to participate in the general to ensure the opposing party wins by splitting the vote, which is what the establishment Dems do when a progressive successfully primaries the…
First of all, if Cuomo runs as an independent, he’ll make Adams the spoiler to his platform. Secondly, there are only ~350k millionaires in NYC. They’re the ones who will be taxed more by Mamdani’s plan. You’re acting like the city is run by them, but we got the numbers. We just need to show up and vote.
It’s literally ranked choice voting. There is hardly any spoiler effect unless there are so many candidates you couldn’t possibly find the one’s you want to vote for.
The Democratic primary was RCV. The general election will be FPTP.
Ah, fair enough. I genuinely thought it would be RCV, I guess I mixed them up.
But yeah, in that case spoiler candidates are a thing.
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I’ve lived in NY since the 70s. Being on the Democratic ticket is all he needs for the average know-nothing voter. He just beat out six other candidates with a grassroots primary campaign. He doesn’t need their money. He just needed to be in the blue/working families column.
But sure, tell me all about how you know everything. I’ll be sure to take notes.
That’s funny, and cute you believe that.
We literally just picked the Democratic candidate for NYC mayor. What about that is confusing to you? If the DNC didn’t want him, they shouldn’t have allowed him in the primary. That part is over now. Zohran Mamdani is the Democratic candidate. That’s how primaries work. Stop misinforming people. Most are uninformed on the process as it is.
You realise you can present historical actions that support your argument without being a complete bellend about it, right?
For example, in 2015 Bernie Sanders was becoming a hot favourite to become the public’s new pin-up boy for the 2016 presidential run. Unfortunately for him, it is alleged that the DNC had already banked on Hilary Clinton being the primary winner, so their plan may have had it’s legs done before they even started.
So, it is widely reported that the DNC provided very little support to Sanders for the remainder of his campaign run, while pouring big money and organising competing support behind Clinton, stacking the odds in her favour.
In this instance, history tells us that whereas a candidate may be supremely popular, they may not end up getting the support of the political party they represent.
(The above is a massive oversimplification to fit into a bite sized lemmy post, so points of discussion are expected)
The reality is very few people vote in primaries and, as you’ve just read in this thread, many don’t even know what primaries are.
Comments like this are always from people who are ignorant, or people that aren’t even in the US.
Or people who have been through more than one election cycle and have seen how far the establishment will go to tank a candidate they don’t like in favor of a milquetoast conservative that will lose to a real conservative in the general.
So, now it’s up to centrists who really wanted their skeevy sex pest in office to actually do what they have been preaching ever since puma pac failed to elect McCain. They need to vote blue no matter who.
They won’t.
And here I though you might finally be happy.
I’ll be happy when the election has run its course without the party engaging in the sort of fuckery they can’t ever seem to stop themselves from engaging in.
Yes, until an internal smear campaign takes them down, and the whole thing comes apart from petty infighting.