• DaddleDew@lemmy.world
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    I haven’t watched The Ten Commandments in a long while so please help me remember. Wasn’t worshipping a false idol considered a BAD thing?

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      I think there is literally a story in the bible where someone puts a golden goat in his garden or wherever and then gets punished by god

      Edit: It was a golden calf

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        Any true Christian would know this story. You’re either not Christian, or Evangelical Christian.

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          Born and raised in fundamentalist evangelical Christianity. The vast majority of evangelicals will know the story of Moses and the golden calf.

          A significant minority of evangelicals actually regularly study the Bible. (I used to be one of them.) They tend to be the core of the membership and teach classes and have leadership positions. See Mike Johnson for an example.

          The level of internal propaganda is wild. To be able to maintain that faith while regularly studying the Bible takes a lot of willing suspension of disbelief. Basically, they live in a bubble where they self-censor incoming information.

          Something like the ex-mormon CES Letter is needed for the evangelicals. Homeschooling also needs to have required curriculum to give children logical tools.

          Conservative cultural christians are a different problem and probably what you’re actually thinking of. They’re useful idiots for the far right as well as the evangelicals. They really don’t know much about the Bible or denominations around them and tend to believe what they were told last by far right media or their smart uncle who’s into conspiracy theories and shit. Political and religious outrage as entertainment.

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          And this was written before the Trump assassination attempt. Revelations 13 describes a beast healing from a fatal wound. There’s also this bit which could read like it describes a loyalist vice president who prevents economic deals with countries who don’t display loyalty to the president (i.e. wearing a hat that displays his name and number “Trump 45-47”).

          [11] Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. [12] It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. [13] And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. [14] Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. [15] The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. [16] It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, [17] so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
          
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            Sounds more like Musk than Vance, what with spacex and X(.com), especially if in the future X actually becomes the American equivalent of Wechat and a state funded and required everything app.

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              True, especially if you consider the line:

              [15] The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.

              Sounds like Elon’s recent AI generated video of Trump cleansing Gaza.

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                As well as the Mark of the Beast as a Neurolink microchip.

                In the Left Behind series, you had to implant the chip in your forehead or right hand. They guillotined anyone who refused. If you get willingly chipped you are permanently unsaveable (so it must be the “blaspheming against the Holy Spirit” thing that Jesus was on about)

                It’s amazing that I’m not seeing more Christians freak out about this. All of the church basement videos,the Hal Lindsey, … was I the only one who took that shit seriously? Chloe’s death in Left Behind traumatized me - like I don’t think any of the film adaptations have gotten that far but I can picture it like a movie. If they weren’t going to take the warning seriously, why did I wake up some mornings in a quiet house terrified that God had abandoned me?

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                  You seem closer than I am, but my impression was that a lot of Left Behind Christians are excited for the end to come. They can’t wait to be raptured, and welcome any signs from Revelations.

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      The whole point of the antichrist is they rise to power by exploiting Christians and their faith…

      Like, everything about the two line up that I’m starting to think trump is literally using the myth as a blueprint. Like, at some point someone told him about it, and his first and only thought was:

      I bet they’re dumb enough to really fall for that

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            Oh yeah. I think I read one long ago when I was young and indoctrinated. Maybe even seen a movie? Yes, but not the Nic Cage one, the 2000 one.

            That’s something I haven’t thought about in a long time. Thanks for bringing it up (not sarcasm). I’ll have to look into it from a different perspective.

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      True.

      But was idolation for a false idol not one off the signes off the anti-christ. And he was also having his own valuta… an other sing.

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      Yes, but only if one was actually a believer of said religion.

      “Christian” Nationalists are just Nazis With An Excuse.

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      Yeah. It’s one of the few things the Bible is fairly consistent about, along with golden calf/bronze bull imagery. I’m pretty sure there’s a historical religious explanation for why the Bible consistently referenced gold/bronze cattle, but I find it fascinating and kinda sad that they’re so blatantly worshipping something that the Bible consistently says is wrong. Like, there’s a lot of stuff in the Bible where it says one thing and then later says, “actually, wait, just kidding lol”; but it consistently talks about not worshipping idols while using cattle imagery.

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        No, I didn’t. I just was stunned they profaned yhwh and Baphomet. I guess they’ll get around to Kali and Shiva eventually. Got to cover all the bases, I guess. 🤷‍♀️

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          Well, you’ve got to appreciate that not only are they ridiculously ignorant and incompetent, they’re also disturbingly hypocritical.

          They only serve the one true deity, except when they don’t.

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    Now I don’t believe a word of the Bible, but this guy checks off so many anti-Christ boxes it’s getting harder and harder to see how the people who do believe that stuff don’t see it.

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    Trump is literally the Anti-Christ, he takes Christians away from Christ and thinks it’s funny.

    I actually read a report somewhere that said Christians were having to choice between their Churches and Trump… and they choose Trump

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    Ok now he is just memeing the false prophet thing. He can’t not be aware, can he?

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    I’m not a Christian but man this Trump guy keeps matching what revelations said the anti christ would be so well that I might look into the religion if it wasn’t oppressing me and I wasn’t already happy with my gods

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      I don’t believe in God, but rapture appears like a good start. Bunch of religious freak leaving for heaven would mean the median IQ raised a little bit.

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      I wouldn’t be surprised if project 2025 had an entire unpublished section discussing strategies to co-opt the imagery of antichrist to use as propaganda to further muddy the waters and aid in confusion and prevent a cohesive resistance.

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        It has to be deliberate. Trump and Musk match the beast and the dragon so closely that it’s uncanny. There’s no way it’s a coincidence and given that we know that the author of revelations was ranting about Nero, they have to be playacting trying to trick God into fulfilling their prophecy fanfiction.

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    Why a goat? It’s an odd choice considering the association with Satan.

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      It’s an old testament sacrifice thing.

      Leviticus 17:7

      They must no longer offer any of their sacrifices to the goat idols[a] to whom they prostitute themselves.

      Edit: it appears in a few other places.

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        Well yeah, but the goat idols were used in some kind of previous religion and are being forbidden in Leviticus, as can be seen from the quote. So it’s not exactly an old testament thing, it’s just mentioned in the old estament as something you shouln’t use.

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        he hasn’t read the bible and probably doesn’t talk to anyone who has. more likely a reference to “the goat” meaning “the greatest of all time”.

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    Ya know, maybe the Bible is right and god is real, because there’s no way someone comes this close to exactly what it describes as the Anti-Christ without actually being evil.

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    When Moses approached the camp and saw the calf and the dancing, his anger burned and he threw the tablets out of his hands, breaking them to pieces at the foot of the mountain. And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

    He said to Aaron, “What did these people do to you, that you led them into such great sin?”

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        Then the Sianai Times reported how the Pharaoh isn’t actually a that bad of a guy and it would serve the Israelites to reopen communication with Egypt and discuss trade partnership, and how slavery should be an individual’s choice and that they should vote Moses out for unilateral decision-making. Also, no haha the river never turned to blood and there are no locusts, don’t look up at them.