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And by competitive, we mean it will make you compete for the last scraps at the food bank.
I once saw an ad looking to hire someone with a BA that knew 3 computer programming languages for $8 an hour.
I know JavaScript, TypeScript, and ECMAScript.
Fuck that! I just hired two people and during the screener I told them the base and comp plan so we don’t all waste our time in a mutual ruined-orgasm masturbation session.
There was an article about staffing agencies spamming LLM generated CVs to companies to saturate the market and convince companies that hiring is impossibly hard
Hell even without that hiring is really really hard. Im the IT manager for my company and I’m looking to hire for some level 1 help desk type positions. They don’t need to be super experienced, but they do need to know things like “what is group policy” or “how would you troubleshoot this hypothetical issue”. Basically they should be able to pass the Comptia A+ test, even if they dont actually have it.
My God I got over 600 applications within a business week! The vast majority of those applicants were from people with no experience, lots of experience in a different field!
Like I was getting these applicants from people who have 15 years of plumbing or machining experience. Or people who clearly haven’t been able to hold down a job (if you bounce from minimum wage job to minimum wage job every other month, that’s a bad look). Or on the other end of the spectrum, I was getting people with decades of sysadmin experience applying too.
I had to start having HR filter the top and bottom out of the stack so I could actually see useful data.
I wonder if a staffing agency might have spammed you with LLM generated CVs.
Hiring is working as intended*
I’m getting sick of the invasive questions
"Gender?
Sex at birth?
Are you trans?
Are you gay? Bi?
Ever been depressed?
Abuse alcohol? Drugs?
Ever been arrested?
Ever been in the military?
Well what about your spouse?
Ever work for the government?
That degree you mentioned, we can’t ask your age but uh, when did you earn that bad boy, huh?"
NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POSITION.
This is 100% occuring in the USA. Where I live and work.
Most of these questions are illegal in my country, thank fuck
thank fuck
No, thank the government and the people who voted.
No, thank the workers who literally died fighting for worker rights, which forced the government’s hands in order to keep the peace.
If you’re in the USA, these questions are legal to ask.
Some are illegal (when did you graduate), but is asked very often anyways. Often times marked as required on Workday Job applications.
LOL my god, people in this thread just making shit up. It is absolutely legal in the US to ask for a graduation/attendance date on an app.
OP is full of shit. See my response.
https://old.lemmy.world/comment/15656902
Those questions are begging for discrimination lawsuits. Despite being heavily involved in onboarding at two companies, I’m not sure which of those are legal to ask because no one asks.
Yes, they still ask them.
You’re an idiot.
Where are you that has questions like these?
5 of those questions aren’t asked in the US.
I am in the US.
Those questions are 100% asked.
Source: over 1000 job applications this year so far.
Almost none of that is asked on an application except the degree date. All of the above would be a fucking nightmare for HR. You really think employers are dumb enough to ask questions that could lead to discrimination lawsuits?!
After you are hired, the forms ask:
- Gender and race (you forgot race!): Employers need this for mandatory Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) reporting.
- Alcohol and drugs: Only for a very few positions, government, security and the like. Perhaps you were filling out a Form 4473 to buy a gun and got confused?
- Arrested and convicted of a crime: Imagine an employee getting raped and the employer having to say, “We had no idea!” I’ve been arrested shitloads of times, no convictions, no problem. Also, I’m betting you can say “no” for misdemeanor convictions, no one gives a shit unless the job requires a security clearance. And if you think standard hiring invades your privacy, oh boy.
- Military: Various laws to protect vets require the employer to know this for benefits, accommodations, etc., same for spouse. Also an EEO thing.
- Government work: Never seen this, but I imagine it’s like any employer, “Ever worked for us before?”
You made some of that up out of thin air and didn’t understand the rest. And here ya got 61 upvotes from people taking all that at face value. Be better.
SOURCE: Worked IT for an employment firm with 200 employers. Designed and posted hiring forms, hiring data and onboarding at two places. Learned more about hiring than I ever wanted to know.
Real conversation, not exaggerated. Actually slightly toned down:
“We offer a competitive salary! It’s $number!”
“I have 2 offers 10% higher, from a shipping company and a finance company, in the same city”
“We don’t compete with the finance and shipping sectors”
“And 15% higher in one of the consultancies”
“We don’t compete with consultancies either”
(I think I’m going to put Reigninh Monarch of Norway on my CV. I just don’t compete with King Harald.)
LOL I hope you told them “Dude you ARE competing with those companies for my skills, so are you in or not?” It’s really that simple.
At one interview I wasn’t really sure about my answer to a question, so after giving it I asked how they would do it, and the guy who asked said, “Well, I’m not the one being interviewed.” I kept my mouth shut because I really liked everybody else I had talked to, but I wanted to go all Jules on the guy like, “Oh yes you are, Brett, yes you are!” Some employers don’t get that an applicant is also interviewing them (at least I always was).
Haha, that’s the attitude :)
I did say, in a nice way, that “they are your competitors either way”.
And yeah, companies treating interviews as a one-way evaluation is a red flag.
There was this book that was hype around 2010, called “Are you smart enough to work at Google?”. It was full of interview questions and brainteasers that I strongly suspected I’d find interesting, but I couldn’t get over the title. I wanted to scream “Fuck you, book! Is Google smart enough to hire ME?!”
We are, as a profession, systematically manipulated via these interview processes to feel stupid and inferior to drive down wages. I’d rather come off as slightly too arrogant now and then, rather than submit to that.
