So 68.1% of the American public are complicit. Worse than I thought TBH. Fuck.
Yeah, these numbers are generally brought up to “show” how weak Trump support is. But, what I see is that leftists are not a majority, even among people that give a damn. So, if leftists are going to make any progress, they need to take concrete actions with whoever they can agree with for that project, instead of attacking other leftists (because they didn’t vote e.g.) and going no-contact with everyone that’s not as ideologically pure as yourself.
We have to build consensus and lead by example before we can win at the polls.
Democrats arent leftists. Left of the the republicans isn’t the same as being a leftist, and voting for democrats doesn’t make you a leftist.
68.1% support Trump 30.84% support Harris 1.06% support 3rd party
FIFY. Please stop pretending that it wasn’t a landslide. Please stop pretending that Americans don’t support fascism. Please stop pretending that you’re not responsible.
Not how that works. People who didn’t vote in a state that went blue didn’t contribute to trump winning. Try again.
Of course they did!
You can’t make a state more blue. Their votes didn’t matter because Harris won.
Pffffft, the rest of you lot knew what was at stake, the lazy twats who couldn’t be bothered to save their own nation by exercising their RIGHT to vote aren’t off the hook. I’ve literally started to cringe when hearing Americans in public (I live in the UK) because in my mind subconsciously there’s a high chance that person is dumb as fuck.
oh trust me, I did exercise my right to vote. I voted my entire ballot except the presidential race. I dont support republicans OR war criminals who promise that “nothing will fundamentally change”. If you would bother reading the polls like an informed voter you’d understand that angle never had a chance to win. But if you’d rather whine after the fact on an anonymous website that doesnt even aggregate downvote/upvote counts, then be my guest, you’re doing a real service for the world. Good job.
So you, being the big brain political science major that you are, read the polls and decided to abstain from voting in the presidential race because you thought it was inevitable that Trump would win?
Sounds pretty far from intelligent to me. Whatever your motivation was, you chose not to vote against the nearly 80 year old narcissistic fascist with dementia, who is easily manipulated by anyone willing to kiss his giant shitty ass.
Your excuses may soothe your concious. To the rest of us, you are one of the many people responsible for the ongoing madness in the US.
If you didn’t vote then you were fine with this outcome. The majority are ok with Trump winning.
The fuck? I’m not fine with this outcome.
I’m also not fine with the outcome of harris.
Both suck, but what makes harris suck is that you people will think you’re winning because you’re losing slower. I refuse to fall in line because I will not support the idea that a slow loss is somehow a win.
If you people want different results, run different candidates! Otherwise, “you are fine with this outcome.”
So, something worth thinking about:
Had YOU people voted, you wouldn’t be here crying about a meme.
Just saying.
Had you people nominated a better candidate, I would’ve voted.
Just saying.
Had you people nominated a better candidate, I would’ve voted.
“I wasn’t inspired enough to vote against fascism.” - Someone Who Is Totally Not A Fascist Enabler
Quit blaming others for your failures and be better
The fuck? I’m not fine with this outcome.
didn’t vote
Pick a lane dude.
Learn to read.
Learn to think. All up and down this thread you’re coming out with the same illogical arguments that defy reality and contradict yourself. Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you and why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.
I’m saying things you don’t want to accept and that go against your herd mentality. You intrinsically need to throw whatever shit at the wall to see what sticks to fit in with your peers.
I don’t expect more from people like you and you just reinforce my decisions when you get mad at me instead of yourselves.
Maybe have a little think about why people are so cross with you
“…herd mentality…” “…just reinforce my decisions…” “…throw shit at the wall…” “…people like you…”
That’s a no, then. You’re absolutely not going to do any reflection. Everyone else is wrong except you. Got it.
“why trump and Putin are so pleased with your choices and your words.”
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Keep wasting your energy fighting people like me.
This is why we need ranked choice voting
“69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism” isn’t really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.
You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump’s approval is down, but it’s still higher than it was at this point his last term.
You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.
Culture, in large part, determines morality, and culture is heavily influenced by geopolitical boundaries.
As an American myself, I have no interest in #notallAmericans defenses. We made our fucking bed, we can lie in it.
Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?
The same reason why it was close in 2020, and in 2016. The same reason why the Tea Party in 2010 took off, why Americans gave Bush Jr. a second term in '04, why the GOP in the 90s saw significant success in running towards fascism. The same reason why Reagan got two terms with overwhelming popularity, why Nixon was elected on a platform of disdain for minorities, why Goldwater was a hit in the GOP and took the South from the Dems in 1964 for the first time since the Civil War.
We are a broken nation which has never managed to fully reckon with the deeply rooted authoritarian character within our culture. Trump is just the first time when a major party has given full voice to that inner fascist cretin, and it found that the base liked nothing better.
No excuses, no crisis staring us in the face, no illusions of a Truly Democratic Leader waved about. A creature whose prior term displayed the full range of incompetence and malice towards everything from leftists to Christianity, and whose campaign rhetoric promised nothing more than to get worse in its conduct if elected again. Trump was the final presentation of the question, unambiguous, “Do you, Americans, want fascism?” A mirror looking us flat in the fucking face, and daring us to speak.
And our response was an overwhelming “Sure, why not.”
More people didn’t vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.
Fucking idiots.
Empty votes plus Trump votes still mean the majority of US was for, or at least indifferent about getting a fascist as a president.
The attack on public education paid its dividends. A huge part of that 36% likely didn’t even know where, when, or how to vote. Never underestimate the stupidity of fellow humans, it’s a capacity we have in abundance.
No.
I voted for Harris. But let’s be honest. There were two choices on the ballot in 2016, 2020, and 2024:
- Fascism
- Slightly delayed fascism.
I’m glad you voted, but i don’t agree those were the two options.
I think it was a functioning government implementing more progressive policies vs. absolute shit-spewing catastrophic chaos.
And as that has already been borne out in the first, what, thirty seconds? Those people who refused to prevent it can get fucked.
Those really were the options though.
When Biden won in 2020, I distinctly remember saying, “Trump is going to win in 2024.” I saw it clearly. It wasn’t hard to predict.
Trump didn’t come from nowhere. Learn history. What we are experiencing now is not unique. Whenever wealth inequality gets too great, people demand action. And if those in power aren’t willing to move the needle and improve the lot of the working class, then they will turn to demagogues. This happens again and again in sclerotic democracies. It happened in Rome. It happened in ancient Greece. It happened in Revolutionary France. People turn to demagogues who promise to ram change through if they are not taken care of. Yes, it’s fucking obvious that Trump isn’t going to actually help the people. That’s the definition of a demagogue. Yet demagogues crop up again and again whenever democracies face the challenges we are facing now.
Democrats have proven themselves, time and time again, to not be willing to actually move the needle. Imagine if Biden had showed even half of Trump’s willpower, except for good rather than evil. Think of where we would be now.
This is why the choice was “fascism” or “slightly delayed fascism.” Kamala wasn’t going to meaningfully move the needle either. If she had won in 2024, Trump or another fascist demagogue would have won in 2028.
Merely holding the line is not a viable strategy. If you are running against fascism, and you refuse to do anything to meaningfully fight it when you win, you are responsible for getting that fascist elected.
Trump is responsible for his own sins. But Democrats are the reason he is currently in the White House. He’s doing the evil, but they are the ones who put him there.
I think you’re right, and it really pisses me off to think about because the republicans were almost guaranteed to win no matter which candidate they put forward. Yet they picked Trump the traitor.
For the best really, if they had chosen a more competent candidate they could be doing a lot more damage with far less bad press and diplomatic fallout
Yeah that’s not how I see it. If we cheated like the republiQans, packed the courts with 15-year old fanatics for us, redrew all the maps against court orders, plowed billions into vote suppression and propaganda, we could end up with enough Democrats in Congress to get big things done.
We’d have done it fraudulently, as the republiQans have, but we’d all be better off.
Instead, we try to win honestly with well reasoned arguments and we lose by 1-3% every fucking time and have to govern with incompetent Qanuts who bought their seat with daddy’s chicken plant money.
Then a new crop of supergeniuses who just got out of polisci 201 light up a phattie and decide this is all part of the plan, man and we’re not gonna participate in this crooked show!
By the time they’re old enough and experienced enough to laugh at that, it’s been 20 years more of unrelenting Christian Nationalism and Gross Corrupt Incompetence.
I’m all for the Democrats Fixing It All (again) but saying they’re fascism-lite is stupid. We failed to elect them because we sat at home, and now it’s all on fire. As we’d spent the last year explaining it would.
If we cheated like the republiQans, packed the courts with 15-year old fanatics for us, redrew all the maps against court orders, plowed billions into vote suppression and propaganda, we could end up with enough Democrats in Congress to get big things done.
And they still wouldn’t, because they don’t want to. Not with the neoliberals in charge of the party.
The one thing – the one thing – that would’ve saved American democracy would’ve been the Democratic Party giving the middle finger to their crony-capitalist major donors and deciding to follow Sanders/Warren/AOC/etc. and meaningfully help the working class instead. But that was precisely the one thing that they abjectly refused to do.
I think 100%. Both these parties don’t work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.
This is misleading.
According to those stats, the majority of people voted for someone other than Harris as well.
The real takeaway here is large percentage of people that don’t vote.
Well, in 1933 when the NSPD came to power they had 43% of the seats in parliament (I haven’t found the percentage of the total votes but I imagine it was much less). That did not prevent them from repeating the elections at the end of that year and getting more than 90%, you can imagine how.
Even a part of popular culture accepts that they came to power by winning elections and the German people feel and felt the shame that they came to power by democratic means, which is only half true.
I feel sorry for the American people, but they elected this team under the same rules of democracy as their previous presidents. To claim now that his election was not democratic is to distort the facts.
I’ll take whoever this “Did not vote” instead please
In conclusion 68% let Trump win or directly voted for him.
Not a mandate, but voter’s apathetic acceptance.
American democracy and freedom are fucked. But I don’t blame those 36% of non-voters. These people were INSPIRED to give up on politics.
It’s the media environment. Political coverage fucking sucks by design. Left populism is too interesting to be given air time, too much of a threat to the people who fund the parties and own the media. Politics used to be interesting. Politicians used to say things, now they just run out the clock with white noise.
I mean no
In an election between Bush and Kerry (the guy who lost 2004 election) or something like that then yes. People can be annoyed or just too busy to vote.
This election was perfectly clear that the future of US democracy was at stake and more than 1/3 of the voters decided to not show up. They decided that they were fine not choosing and as such fine with either option. I mean even if the choice was between Trump and a dog, the dog should have won by a landslide. 4 years of nothing would have been miles better than the decades that US is going back.
This presidency is already catastrophic and it barely even started.
I don’t even know how the US and the world can handle 4 years of this shit at this pace.
What makes you think this was clear to people? Most people simply do not pay attention to politics, even the voters who ignorantly cast votes for whatever their tribe is.
even my grandma was aware that there was a lunatic in the White House who encouraged domestic terrorism and we live across the Atlantic and she doesn’t even speak English
This isn’t on the level of which economic policy is the best for long term sustainable growth. This is just recognizing that Trump is an incompetent piece of shit that will admit to scamming whoever he can (and admit it) and literally anyone else and that if Trump won the US is fucked
68.1% of US citizens are bloody idiots.
Let’s be honest here, both parties are full of shit. During Biden term 3500 students had their visa revoked due to anti Zionist protests, let alone canary mission bullshit.
And do not forget about insider trading and that both parties are funded by private companies
And Trump wants to deport 20 million people, yea, exactly the same.
He didn’t say anything about exactly the same, just that they both suck. Dems want to shoot you with .22 caliber rounds in the extremities cause it’s not lethal, while the Trumptards want to shoot off your arms with explosive .50 cal to get the “necessary amputation” done quick. One of those is 100% objectively worse, but some people would ideally like an option that doesn’t involve getting shot at all. Pointing out that getting shot sucks regardless of who is pulling the trigger shouldn’t be all that controversial.
BoTh SiDeS!!
They are not the same. One is an open Nazi party
Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
