I’m guessing this is ironic since yeah the boss is right hah
Tbf, I’ll give a two weeks notice when they start giving two weeks notice before firing people. Two weeks notice, two way street.
I assumed that’s how it works. Definitely works like that where I live.
Not here.
You must live in a civilized country.
America is not a civilized country.
Meanwhile in Sweden, my contract says three months notice from the employee and six months from the employer.
Hearing this stuff about the US I’m only surprised that they didn’t make it so that company can fire you without notice but you have to give a binding notice to the company.
There’s only one state in the U.S., and since it’s an iPhone, sorry, kind of assuming you’re in the States, that that’s true in.
Where does the iPhone -> US connection come from?
iPhones are much more popular in the US (around 55% market share) than in the rest of the world (around 25% market share).
That’s like saying “you’re driving a BMW, must be in Europe” lmao
In other words they can kick rocks. Assholes wanted at-will employment. They got at-will employment.
No you see it’s supposed to be at their will, not your will.
Waah. 😂
No! My permanent record!
I mean - it kind of is? I believe a company is allowed to ask another company if they’re eligible for rehire - and they record those things in their HR systems.
This is true. The other company can ask HR to consult the big book of grudges to determine if there are indeed grudges.
Given that person already found a new job, if they plan to keep it for long, the previous company’s record won’t be useful anymore.
They do keep records, but rarely share them.
If your prospective employer says that they didn’t hire you because of what a previous employer said about you, and that previous employer doesn’t have rock solid evidence, then you can sue for lost wages, defamation, and get a nice chunk of policy.
When people called the store I was managing to get info on past employees, the only thing we would confirm was the time range they worked for us,
At least in my state they can only really confirm or deny that you worked for them.
That’s only in an official capacity. People can say whatever they want if it is a backdoor reference.
They’re not wrong though, assuming they’re in the UK and/or their contract agrees a minimum of two weeks notice, as is standard.
This applies both ways. I expect this employee would be angry if their employer breached their contract to sack them immediately without this notice, but if the employee breaches those same terms of their agreed contract that’s…okay? No.
Regardless of their feelings, it’s very unprofessional, petty even, and depending on how litigious and unhappy with them their employer is, not a very smart idea.
There are many edge cases where things must be looked at differently of course (someone resigning over harassment at work would not wish to remain there for a fortnight serving their notice for example), but this must be discussed and agreed upon, because again, it deviates from the legally binding contractual agreement they both signed.
This employee, regardless of any legitimate grievances, in this communication is unprofessional, petty, and frankly childish.
While I don’t know the story behind their falling out, I suspect the employer will be glad to see them go. I wouldn’t want them working for me, or even work with them as a colleague. They sound awful.
In the Netherlands, by law there is a minimum of one month’s notice. If the employers fire you, the notice time is doubled. So if a company would require three months notice it means you can still work there for 6 more months after you’re fired.
Nice but awkward…
How so? You might not be required any longer to come in to work, especially if they think you could stir up some shit, break some plates on your way out. In fact, the company might even bar you from entering the premises if there’s a good reason for it, like “IP protection.” The company is only required to keep paying your wage, for 6 months in this case.
While yes it is a legally binding contract, the penalties must be laid out in that same contract and will usually be limited to any direct losses as a result of an employee quitting without notice which are, by definition, limited.
If the reverse happens, the employee would be entitled to their pay for the remainder of the notice period.
businesses and people are not equal and should not be viewed as such
They aren’t but it doesn’t make notice periods any less important in contracts - for everyone involved. It’s a win-win situation to have these clauses because they guarantee a minimum of stability.
Most people aren’t working on a contract. And in the U.S. most states are at-will employment (something companies lobby heavily for) meaning you can be fired for any reason whatsoever, but is also means you can quit at any time you like in whatever manner suits you.
Really? I’ve signed a contract for every job I’ve ever worked at that spelled out the terms of my employment. It’s not like a company hires you with a firm handshake.
Then you’ve led a charmed life cause most of us get hired on a handshake and a nod.
Where the fuck are you finding these jobs? I’ve signed contracts for blue collar work, white collar work, and even summer camp jobs I worked in high school.
If you’re in the US then no, you didn’t. You signed stuff, but it wasn’t a contract
If businesses wanted stability they wouldn’t make the working conditions so bad.
Depends on the country tbf. Countries (besides the US) generally have labor rights which make working conditions not great but certainly acceptable. Hell, I’d argue the conditions a business needs to meet to fire workers are actually fairly decent over here.
OTOH, if this is in the US, we are almost entirely at-will when it comes to employment; we can be terminated at any time, for something as petty as the boss not liking our socks, no heads-up required.
Here the two weeks notice is considered a courtesy, and sadly fewer and fewer businesses are proving worthy of that courtesy. It seems from the post title that this company did not deserve much respect at all.
I thought from the last part that this was an ironic joke about all those quitting with text posts where the boss is really unreasonable and shitty
Please, please let me be in a position to do this soon.
Not giving the required notice kind of makes you the asshole, though.
At will work says they can fire me for any reason or no reason at all with no notice, they fought for that right so why should I care if they’re upset I treat them the same way they fought to treat me. I don’t disagree it’s a shitty way to act but who’s fault is it really?
I don’t disagree it’s a shitty way to act but who’s fault is it really?
Lawmakers.
I’d say employers. Lawmakers only do it to satisfy businesses.
Lawmakers only do it to satisfy businesses.
Right, so they are not doing their job properly, which makes it their fault.
Companies in the US fire employees with no notice all the time. They dont want some angry person around who knows they are only around for a short time.
Yeah, labour laws over there are abysmal.
I guess if they notice period only applies to employees and not also the employer, then it would be justifiable to ignore it. But otherwise it will make you the asshole.
As someone who was very recently fired without warning my approach is very simple: I have limited loyalty to the companyI work for, but I have a duty to do right for my coworkers. There’s a good chance I’ll encounter someone I’ve worked with before in a future job, and maintaining good relationships with former colleagues can be good for future career prospects. In short, businesses generally cannot be trusted, but people often can be
This^ it can’t be one sided. Also my life over your money. Which is is more important?
Paying me something barely over minimum wage makes them an asshole. We’re even.
We’re even.
If the notice period is legally binding, they could sue you for damages of missed labour and breach of contract.
Let me introduce you to something known as “at will employment”
Grew up in a village and this movie hit so close to home it’s actually disturbing
What movie!
The character drama with Brendan gleeson opposite Colin Farrell set in an idyllic small town in Europe that serves as a contrast to accent sparingly used violence emblamatic of violence on a much larger scale that’s hinted at but not shown featuring a mishmash of strongly acted and intriguing supporting characters?
In Bruges.
Fucking Bruges.
I was curious too. I recognize the actor and after investigating, I’m going to guess The Banshees of Inisherin.
Yeah that’s it and it’s a 10/10 to me
I have attempted the 2 week’s notice 3 times. Only 1 of which have I actually made it to the end. First job in HS, I had no bad blood, but it was a union shop that paid like .10 over min wage. When the union tried to shake me down for dues (of which they wanted like 2 check’s worth of money since I was the Lowest level and only working part time) I told them no thank you, put in 2 weeks notice, worked til the end.
2nd job it was the end of high school, 2 weeks notice was in bc off to college. The company fires my boss, then I tell his replacement I need x and y days off next week for grad night/ graduation related activities. I show up the next day and it’s a different guy working who made the schedule without talking to anyone apparently. I told him I had asked the other lady for X and Y days off. “Well, right now you’re scheduled to work, if you want those days off, you’re going to need to get someone to cover your shift.”
I’m good chief, I’ll take my last check please.
The other one I had the new job desperately needing help and wanting me to start ASAP, so I worked it out where I was going to grind a 60+ hr week where I’d train in the AM at the new job and take a late shift at the old job. The 2nd day I was burnt out asf. I walk into the old job at 6 pm after grinding 8 hrs at the new job to a severely understaffed store and I was supposed to close down with the worst fellow supervisor we had. She was a very sweet older lady, but she was just slow at absolutely everything she did. I knew that closing with her while short a cashier and a bagger meant I’d be doing double/ triple duty that night and getting out an hour later than usual. I just said fuck this shit and bounced. I made up some sob story about personal issues going on to not completely burn that bridge and actually kept eligibility for rehire, but I was fucking done with that place.
“You’re going to need to get someone to cover your shift.”
Bro, you’re the manager in charge of the schedule — sounds like a you problem.
Very mixed comments section lol
Don’t give 2 week notices. The only incentive you have is if you are leaving on good terms you can use them as a reference or maybe come back if the circumstances work.
The downsides far outweigh the benefits. They could terminate you, cut your hours, get mad that you’re quitting and give you bad references.
I don’t get it. If you get a notice, they should. We have labour laws requiring both the company and you to give notice, 3 months. That’s for anyone that hires someone, but exempt for what’s called a “temporary hire”, like interns and such. If you have a temporary hire for more than one year it’s automatically considered a “permanent hire”. It means that whenever a company uses consultants or practice workers the risk goes both ways, and most normal workers get economic security. (Perhaps it only works well because other labour laws though, such as rights to be sick, have kids, etc)
Labour laws should be beneficial for workers, and if they aren’t, the giant hyper capitalist megacorps you foster with that approach aren’t worth any protection at all since they are a burden on the planet and society, not a benefit.
What you just described is a system that mistreats your workers. Those temporary hires, if they lose their jobs, they can’t put food on the table. But if the company loses a temporary worker, it’s not going to be troubled, they’re just going to go hire another person.
That all being said, if you’re working under contract and your company has robust protections for retaliation by employers, some of the risk of telling them in advance goes away. That’s great, but there’s still some remaining risk. Many bosses will be vengeful, bitter, and they may sabotage your work however they can for the last few weeks or months. And you won’t be able to stop them, because you’re leaving, so even if you filed an internal complaint, it wouldn’t go anywhere.
You don’t typically get a notice.
I work in a professional environment where it’s not unusual to give months notice because you appreciate the people you work with and don’t want to leave them hanging.
in this same environment I have witnessed people getting fired on the spot with zero notice, zero reasons, zero sympathy. I have also seen people give a month notice only for mgmt and HR to fire them on the spot and then tell their team the person quit.
take my advice, don’t give a two weeks notice for your employer. give it to your trusted colleagues and quit on the spot for your employer.
fuck the reference… tell your new boss your current job doesn’t know you’re job hunting and thus can’t list them as a reference… problem solved!
Agree but with caution, I know a couple hiring managers who pull the “oh if they’ll job hunt on their current one they will do it to us” kinda clingy relationship shit.
Bitch, it’s a job, we’re not friends. HR isn’t there to help you, your manager isn’t there to help you, and in all except the rarest cases the founder or manager doesn’t give a shit about you.
I think is different in different markets, in my actual job, during the interview I said that I would need a month I’m advance to give to my old boss, to close projects and prepare my junior for my leave. After being accepted my new boss told me that this stipulation weighted a lot in the decision to hired me, because they knew I would do the same. I’m an actuarie, our jobs are kinda complex, and someone leaving the company without any notice can complicate everything a lot.
This is the way to do it - also, it’s nice to have some vacation stocked away in case they do get mad and fire you before the end of the 2 weeks. If you don’t get fired, it’s like getting a bonus check once you start your new job.
Getting fire is the best case, almost everywhere but in the US. In Brazil every month the employer have to deposit 8% of your salary in a savings account that pays 3% interest rates annually. If you are fired without legitimate cause, they have to pay 45% of the value of that account to you, and you are free to liquidate that account. Government bonds today are paying way eay more, so you can just buy bonds and get a 400% value on the long term.
I was pretty high up in Actuarial at a fortune 500 insurance company. At my old company, if you went to a competitor, your account was shut off that day and none of your unused time off was paid out.
You don’t owe your company anything they won’t reciprocate. The company will continue to operate no matter who leaves under whatever circumstances - don’t fuck yourself for a faceless corporation.
If you know your manager is very employee-centric and you have a great relationship, maybe approach it with caution, but otherwise, your interests should always come first.
This is what I mean, in Brazil if they do that they have to pay a lot of money, I guess in other parts of the world with basic workers law works like that.
Two weeks is bullshit. Not a law nor rule.
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And force you to train your replacement to remind you how disposable workers are.
Two weeks is good practice especially as you move into more professional roles. Depending on the role additional notice might be preferred or even required since some roles in some businesses are critical enough to potentially impact business continuity if you leave unexpectedly
For a shitty retail job though? Give a few days notice so the schedule can be updated and leave it at that, barring other obligations
I gave a month’s notice at a job I was leaving. I was moving on, it wasn’t a shit job but I was ready to move up and they weren’t promoting me to the types of jobs I wanted. No hard feelings.
Until I have my month’s notice. I had been there 3 years and assumed we would take a week or so to hire someone, then I could train them on the job the last 2 weeks. It sure would have helped me when I started.
I wish I’d giving 3 days. They had no interest in including me in the new hire process (this is a small business, only 2 other people above me, owner and accountant) and basically it felt like they were waiting on me to leave so they could bring in their new pick.
Now I did end up working for that company in the position I wanted part time for a couple years after that, so I guess just not showing up would have been way worse, but I found that time period incredibly stressful and still don’t understand the motives.
I gave two weeks notice once, and fired on the spot. My manager claimed since I was quitting I probably do a shitty job the last two weeks so why keep me around.
So I dont give notice no more no matter the job.
This also happened to me once too. I was working at Amazon as a picker, and they unveiled a new tool that lets you put in electronically if you’re planning to leave. One morning, I put in that I was planning to leave in a month. Before lunch that same day, I was suddenly fired.
Never show your hand!
Self fulfilling prophecy. Can’t do a bad or good job if you’re gone lol
I wanted to give 2 weeks at my last job, but boss blew away any trust I had with him, I took a 2 week vacation and started a new job instead. Sent an email and never returned.
He even tried to text me Monday to check on the status of 2 new hires, which I didn’t setup at all lmao. Left that shit on read.
It’s a case by case scenario. There’s more shitty jobs/bosses than good ones that deserve a noticed. But it’s your life vs their money, do what’s best for you
It’s not your job to keep your morale high enough to not bail
In my area there is an actual law regulating this. You can leave earlier, but you won’t get payment for the last period if you do so, unless your employer agrees to pay it out anyway.
if it means you don’t get paid for hours you didn’t work then seems fair enough, if it means they can avoid paying out your time off or other benefits then fuck that
Not only “fuck that”, wage theft is illegal. Not getting your last paycheck is very easy to prove and you can sue for way more in damages.
That’s true there is areas that have this law. I think mostly it doesn’t exist in most.
Depends on where you live.
That’s true.
I had a job I loved, although it was owned by a complete asshole. I got a new job, at nearly double the pay. I agreed to give 2 weeks notice, even though it was going to cost me a lot of money, which I needed (this was my first good paying job, and I was broke).
Rather than understand that I was doing him a favor, my asshole boss decided to torture me for my final two weeks. I put up with it for a week, then told him I was done on Friday. I was essentially paying out of my pocket to give him 2 weeks, but I wasn’t going to pay him to abuse me, so I just left him standing there with his mouth agape.
I took the weekend off, and started my cool new new job on Monday (and it was a cool job, one of the best I’ve ever had).
It’s very satisfying when someone who thinks they have all the power suddenly realizes they don’t.
There’s nothing more satisfying than quitting in person so you can look your boss in the eye and tell him he is a piece of shit, making them so mad they threaten to call the cops on you for trespassing as you are literally walking out the door lmao.
I don’t mind giving a 2 week notice normally, but at this particular job one of my coworkers put her notice in and they fired her that day. They immediately lost their 2 week notice privileges from me with that slick move.
I love how companies expect you to give them 2 week notices, but how many of them give you any notice before laying you off or firing you? None- that’s how many. They literally value their own profits over human beings, fuck them.
It should just be standard to eliminate the 2 weeks bullshit. Telling someone they will be fired in 2 weeks is not a smart move. They could do all kinds of damage to the business with their access. IT is a great example.
We just need to normalize quitting with no notice. Companies still survive with employees going on 1-2 week vacations. They will be fine with no 2 week notice bullshit.
Unless it’s in your contract, of course.
One placed laid me off. I was a senior telecom/network admin in IT, so while I wouldn’t have due to personal morals, I definitely had potential to, with even just my badge access.
They gave me about 3 weeks, with no access. They told me I was gone officially at the end of the month and my would be paid normally until then, after which severance would kick in, but don’t come in.
I think that’s a fine way to do it.
I think this is smart, businesses should always strive to lower their employee-hit-by-a-bus factor as much as possible instead of relying on a social nicety. I think that would also reduce a lot of the pressure to not call out sick or take PTO.
The whole point of my submission was too many times you try to do the right thing but the clown who is your boss simply terminates you immediately. You don’t get to work the 2 weeks. You don’t get paid. And you are screwed for 2 weeks until you start your next job
Fake and gay
My 20 years of mgmt exp would like to greatly thank you for the text OP Leaving with a reason puts you above 60% of all the other ppl that just stopped coming in altogether lol
My asshole boss got what he asked for. He was hired in 2023, +15workers quit during his first year in charge, and by surprise 2024 was record breaking bad year for the company. I guess things can happen when you don’t respect the ones bringing in the revenue.
this is the old baseball analogy. Fire all the players or fire the manager. If everyone quits it’s not the players but an asshole manager
