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Summary
Trump stated the U.S. will “go as far as we have to go” to gain control of Greenland, citing national and international security needs.
JD Vance will visit Greenland’s Pituffik military base, scaling back a broader visit amid backlash from Greenland and Denmark.
Greenlandic Prime Minister Mute Egede condemned the move as “aggressive pressure” and insisted that “Greenland belongs to the Greenlanders.”
Trump has repeatedly expressed interest in acquiring Greenland, asserting that U.S. control is essential for security.
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god i was so happy when i heard he got shot and then he had to ruin it by surviving.
Imperialist pig.
Why? Why does he want greenland?
Strategic control of the melting Arctic, half of which is bordered by Russia and the other half by Greenland and Canada, both of which Trump wants to invade. Also a foothold in Greenland would be useful in an assault on Canada, whose resources both Putin and Trump want. Canada would be fully surrounded by the USA and Russia.
Okay, that makes sense, not good sense, but it’s not just the inane ramblings of a mad man.
I think Greenland would be in the same category as Ukraine where Trump/Putin/MAGA just want to strip the territory of all natural resources and then sell the land to the highest bidder.
Putin told him to
Why would Putin want radar installations and more American military facilities on Greenland?
Seems to be a combination of Putin sowing chaos, trump desperately wanting to be just like his comrade boyfriend by illegally annexing sovereign territory and just general dick-swinging. We already have a base there. I guess they just want to waste more money by occupying a tundra. He must have some contractors that he owes.
Time to toss him on his ass. I’m sick of this horseshit.
I mean, it’s easy to just see it as dick-swinging… but they have a lot of natural resources and Trump is already speed-running strip-mining the USA of every last available resource. The wealthy are just done with America and its high standards of living, they don’t want to bring up the rest of the world to our standards of living, they want to drag us down to match the rest of the world.
Trying to rationalize anything on his agenda is just going to drive you nuts.
Yes and no. It drives me nuts that it is happening, but all the reasons are there in plain sight. Putin is orchestrating the downfall of the US with Trump/MAGA and the oligarchs, like rabid dogs, will gobble up the pieces.
Putin is orchestrating the downfall of the US with Trump/MAGA
Did Putin also have Trump give weapons to the Ukrainians and have Trump train Nazi Ukrainian troops during his last administration?
If you remember, he tried not to by hinging it on a bogus investigation into Berisma and he also discontinued all support later after presumably discarding Zelenskyy since he had nothing more to give the admin politically in an era of ally abandonment. Notably, all of this abandonment is good for Putin.
It’s arguable that Trump isn’t so much an ally of Putin, but someone hoping to benefit from him as an attack dog to leverage power with our actual allies, but it’s been shown time and time again that Trump does not have either the ability or the will to reign in Putin, so the end result is virtually identical to treating him as an ally – except the added national embarassment of inconsistent messaging.
The alternative is that Trump is reigning him in, but it’s through personal favors that we may never know about. This is the entire Russiagate justification.
If you remember, he tried not to by hinging it on a bogus investigation into Berisma
You are referring to something that happened in 2019, however Trump approved of two major arms sales to Ukraine during his last presidency. The latter sale in spring 2018 even included Javelin anti-tank missiles. Even the Obama administration refused to conduct such action against Putin.
he also discontinued all support later after presumably discarding Zelenskyy since he had nothing more to give the admin politically in an era of ally abandonment.
One of the reasons that Trump is having America betray Ukraine is because yes, Zelenskyy raised objections to Trump’s ask for help in finding dirt on Biden, and Trump was then impeached. Trump now has personal hatred for Zelenskyy which was worsened after that massive fuck up that was Zelenskyy’s visit to the White House.
Notably, all of this abandonment is good for Putin.
It indeed is.
does not have either the ability or the will to reign in Putin, so the end result is virtually identical to treating him as an ally – except the added national embarassment of inconsistent messaging.
Inconsistent messaging is consistent with the Trump administration, no? But yes, Trump is ditching the tradition allies of America in favor of countries such as Orban’s Hungary and Putin’s Russia.
I do not believe that Trump is a puppet of Putin nor a Russian agent but yes, he benefits Russia.
Honest answer?
Trump himself couldn’t care less about Greenland. I will bet the left body part of your choice that Trump couldn’t point out Greenland on a map or knows a single thing about the long-term importance of Greenland. He is going after Greenland because someone is telling him to go after Greenland. And no, it’s not Putin. It’s his corporate donors. Granted, this also benefits Putin as it would lead to the dissolution of NATO in the process, but that’s just a side effect.
Corporate donors, privately, aren’t stupid people. They damn well know that climate change is real and their companies are fucking up the planet. They’ll never, ever say that publicly for obvious reasons, but they know it. But they’ll be damned if they’re not going to make a shitload of money along the way. And they also know that what is currently largely uninhabitable tundra right now is going to become prime real estate as climate change worsens everywhere else. Much of that uninhabitable tundra will become land that will allow people to live relatively as comfortably as they’re living now.
Grab a large, largely uninhabited island now, and you’ll have prime real estate for a whole bunch of rich people to escape to while the rest of the world is forced to deal with the escalating effects of climate change. As a bonus, since it’s an island in the Arctic, mass immigration is nigh-on impossible which means they get all the bonuses of living comfortably without even having to worry about an invasion of undesirables. You know…poor people. Or brown people. And they’ll have the backing of the US military to sink any ships that even try.
Yeah, even Greenland will eventually succumb to the effects of climate change. But for a short while, that’s going to become some absolutely pristine land compared to much of the rest of the world, and as far as the rich are concerned, that 30-40 years is 30-40 years that they can continue to live comfortably while the rest of the world gets to choke to death on the environment that they created. And by the time Greenland starts feeling the effects, they’ll be long since dead so they have no reason to care.
It’s still really far north and you’ll never be able to grow as much since the season is so short. Also have the never ending darkness and sunlight. Not to mention lots of it is muskeg that has been frozen for centuries. And it’s not as good as you make it sound.
Disagree on the Putin part. Putin is one of the richest and is the most powerful man in Russia, so he’s included in your rich cabal, but he’s also signaled for years that he’s a geopolitical colonizer and wants to reunite Soviet Union states. His main opposition is NATO which he’s able to dismantle with the help of Trump, thus opening up the door to further fracture resistance to his actions.
There’s a substantial amount of circumstantial evidence pointing to Trump being a Russian asset, his latest policies only further confirm that.
The rich cabal you’re talking about absolutely hitched their wagon to Trump to make money in the instability to come, but they don’t give a shit about Greenland. It’s a pawn that they don’t care about, but their friend Putin does.
Putin is mostly interested in the former USSR. Greenland wasn’t part of that. Putin will gladly let Trump do whatever he wants with Greenland because if Trump takes action that automatically dissolves NATO as we know it and basically forces a war between the US and the rest of NATO which allows him to basically recreate the USSR by force while NATO trips over its own feet. Granted, Putin (just like any other world leader) would gladly take whatever he can get. But he doesn’t need Greenland. There’s enough Russian territory that Putin already controls that will also become prime real estate at the same time, making a Greenland annexation largely pointless. He wouldn’t need to worry about sharing Greenland with the others in the cabal when he’s got enough of his own to make Greenland seem like Gilligan’s Island by comparison.
And yeah, we all know Trump’s a russian asset. That’s been known for years.
And I disagree about the cabals not caring about Greenland. They know where there’s money to be made. Right now, much of Greenland is uninhabitable. Which means it’s also cheap. So if they get in on the ground floor now, what will that land be worth in 10 years, when more people start feeling more effects of climate change and there’s more of an eye on Greenland as a possible refuge? 20 years? Whenever that land becomes viable. That’s a lot of land, and therefore a lot of money. Whether for short term profits, long-term hedging of bets against the very climate change they’re fueling, or a combination of both, I can guarantee you there are a lot of people interested.
With that said, I think we both ultimately agree on who will benefit the most; we are merely disagreeing over how much each of them will benefit. And I think we can both agree that no matter which one of them win, we lose.
Resources (gold, zinc, iron, uranium, and oil) and large amounts of unused land for pet projects (another think another super prison bigger than gitmo).
I wish this man would finally do something beneficial for the world and just die already… preferably of a cheeseburger related causation (heart attack, stroke, or choke).
I hope we find out that he drowned in his own pony jar.
So when will the 3 day special operation begin?
Is he actually threatening another NATO member with military action?
He doesn’t have to. He’ll first let the US leave NATO… and then attack Greenland.
Hopefully. If the US leaves NATO and then attacks, article 5 can be triggered.
If they attack before leaving NATO I don’t believe article 5 can be used.
Elon Musk wants a larger fiefdom.
Fucking believe him. Take it as the threat that it is. Prepare immediately.
How? Arm Greenland?
Yes! Call on allies, station troops and ships, protect critical infrastructure. Everything Ukraine should have done, do it now.
NATO countries should put out a statement that they are ready to defend Greenland from any incursion.
the rest of the g20 countries should immediately financially sanction the us and every us politician along with the us dollar
No need. That’s what articles 4 and 5 are for.
Everyone knows that. The point is to create a deterrent by making it clear that they are 1) taking the threat seriously and 2) already preparing and planning to defend, IOW not fucking around. Sending some extra troops to the island and/or flying some jets around the area on a regular isn’t a bad idea either.
Welp. It was nice being in NATO while it lasted I guess.
You guys should definitely invoke article 5 if we pull anything, and if orangeboi vetoes it, straight up ignore him and A5 anyways. I am completely serious.
War with rest of Nato, really ?
What better way to destroy NATO for the Russians?
Every fucking time he announces tariffs they hit the buy Greenland or make Canada a state bullshit button.
The United States is threatening invasion of a free and allied nation.
The media is complicit.
The population is complicit.
The population is complicit.
Come on dude. There are so many of us appalled with what’s going on, don’t put that shit on me or the entire population in general in the US. Asshat.
I mean, in a way, it’s fair. We’re not rising up to stop it in massive droves.
While there are valid reasons for why the US struggles with that (size, atomization of population, lack of job protections and jobs tied to healthcare, surveillance state), it’s still valid for other nations to see that as capitulation.
Nobody wants to be the first person to “go there,” and really protest (beyond waving a few cleverly worded signs on the sidewalk). The first person to take protests to the next level (i.e., throwing fists, rolling cars over, occupying government buildings, confronting masked cops during kidnappings, showing up with arms, whatever) gets mowed down rather quickly.
Ineffective, and it gives the current admin the leverage to bring the hammer down quickly, before an opposition can recoup and really organize.
People are waiting for a critical mass, and “the moment,” when they’re assured that everyone else will turn out en masse at the same time to set shit ablaze, French-protester-style. But nobody knows when “that moment” will be, exactly. Or if it’ll ever come. So, who’s gonna go first?
And who wants to go at all? It’s easy to talk a tough talk when you’re young and you don’t have family depending on you for their survival. Then again, those with children also want their kids to have a country to grow up in that resembles the one we grew up in (or, optimally, far better). So, quite a pickle.
Perhaps “the moment” will never come anyway, and we’ll all just whimper our way into Fascism.
Well, I’m also personally of the opinion that violence being the first answer is a losing proposition in a surveillance enabled police state with the largest and most advance military in the world.
I think it’s a much better idea to organize on a national level mutual aid groups, community gardens, community doctors, community mesh-networks not connected to the internet for information sharing, people working outside of capitalism and then when enough of a support network is built, going all-in on a general strike. Violence will still happen anyway, but take the time to prepare parallel systems and starting from a defensive position instead of offensive is the smarter move.
I think with the massive boot of law enforcement, the surveillance tools they have, and the military backing them, starting by fighting is a fools errand that will be crushed quickly, mostly because there won’t be enough logistical planning. I’ve met enough antifa wannabes who just wanna go out and recklessly shoot shit to understand that it’s not organize enough.
We need to be organized at a community level to care for each other so people can feel supported enough to stand with each other.
Someone went first. But they might have went too early.
There’s a lot more to come. His trial is going to be a circus. His biggest influence on socity is still ahead.
We’re not? What are all the protests ( growing in size) for then?
Protests /= violent resistance or building parallel systems so we can all go on general strike for a month.
General strike is our non-violent option, and violence is our, well, violent option. I’d prefer the former but I see a lot more protesting and a lot less organizing of community gardens and mutual aid networks.
We’re up against a police state and the largest military in the world. General strike to break the economy is the better option, imho.
Protests don’t hinder such organization though, and they can connect and embolden people. They’re valuable as long as they’re not all that gets done.
If push did come to “shove” you’d be less likely to join in if you only ever saw a handful of people protesting. We need to know who’s more or less onboard if shit hits the fan.
This is true, I don’t mean to impugn the protests, but I have met far more Americans who just want to go out and commit reckless violence instead of doing any real planning… Which is very American, I guess.
It’s also why I think we will fail miserably, because we’ve got too many “heroes” who don’t know what real heroism is.
Exactly.
We’ve all watched the kids die too while the USA culturally adopted an armed populace in defence of a rogue government and risks to freedom.
Wage slavery and healthcare tied to your job is a hell of a drug, guys.
That’s less of an excuse than it is an explanation.
Right, which is why I advocate for fewer protests and more community organizing so we can care for each other outside of these broken ass systems. People are going to wait until after the last minute to start organizing ways to protect and care for each other, but that’s America for you.
Yep. Protests are just being used at this point to root out dissidents. Mutual aid and sabotaging oppressive institutions where possible can be more effective ways for folks to participate in organized resistance without risking life and livelihood.
And despite my job being done easily online I have an RTO mandate and they might let me go just as easily as letting me work from another, less fascist, state.
Man I am glad every protester in history has had health care. Could you imagine if there was no health care during the American revolution America would be British.
Then do something about your mad king, else your inaction speaks volumes.
How does that saying go… “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
See my other replies in here on what I’m already doing, which isn’t unique to me specifically, many are doing these things. What else would you suggest I/we do?
Your inaction speaks volumes
Good men do nothing
Since I’m not just sitting on my ass and complaining or just throwing out Boondock Saints quotes without having some substance underneath it, your reply doesn’t apply to me.
I know those of you outside of the US have dealt with some shit in your own countries, help us with some good suggestions please! Kicking us, especially those of us trying to make a difference, while we are down, isn’t helpful.
“Don’t beat us while we’re down” - the country literally disappearing people.
The world has a right to be angry at your domestic issue that has turned global over the past 10 years.
Oh, my most sincere apologies. I’ll just go grab that person that I personally disappeared and put her right back where she came from.
You’re missing the point, but it’s impossible to get through to someone who has no compassion for individuals, and would rather just hate someone because they’re adjacent to the problem. It’s attitudes like yours why the world is so fucked up right now. So quick to hate without realizing or caring who you’re dumping it on.
What do you think the average German citizen should’ve done in 1939 to avoid condemnation?
This right here, the only Germans not remembered as Nazis are the ones who gave their lives or risked everything to stand for something other than Nazism. Those who hid Jews and others for their safety, who helped traffic them to safe countries, or spoke out and lost their lives for it. Everyone else is seen as a sympathizer at best.
There are many of us protesting, writing our Congress members, voting, Educating ourselves in matters of law, having difficult conversations with friends and family members that are either ignorant or maliciously compliant, amongst many other things.
There are many of us (including myself) that are ready to pick up arms should it come to it and defend our nation against this absolute garbage situation.
The US certainly isn’t perfect, no one could ever make that claim with a straight face. However there are a TON of good people here that are actively fighting this.
People like that, including myself, NEED YOUR SUPPORT more now than ever. Like it or not, we all depend on each other. Please don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. It’s not fair to those of us that aren’t complicit. It’s hard enough dealing with this situation right now without all the armchair quarterbacks out there kicking us while we’re down. What does that say about those people?
Maybe offer some helpful advice on how you all have dealt with struggles within your own nations. After all, everyone has some shit they’re dealing with.
Please don’t paint an entire country’s population with the same brush. It’s disingenuous and not a good faith argument.
I’m literally an American talking about the America I live in.
Also the only real solution when it comes to a surveillance police state and massive military is mutual aid and a general strike. We have to take care of each other outside capitalist systems or we will fail. Breaking the economy and hurting them in their pocketbooks is really the only solution, and even that will invite violence. Better to have a plan and play defense than try to take on a bigger bully and lose fast and early.
The military is complicit.
That’s so true that I’m gonna edit and add it.
Anyone who didn’t vote is especially responsible.
Fucking dumbasses that they are.
I literally can’t tell the difference between the parties still. /s
Anyone who sits on their ass at this news is complicit. We are reaching the points where not standing up is in fact approval for the regime and their actions
Anyone who let this happen is complicit.
If you didn’t vote, you’re a fucking idiot who doesn’t understand externalities.
There’s that lack of nuance again.
Did you let this happen?
According to you apparently yes but you’re a self avowed bigot so how much does your opinion matter really?
Jesus, you are very stupid.
Or felons or disenfranchised for some reason it another.
Chill, some people have reasons and maybe they aren’t all worse then actual fascists. I’d say likely most aren’t but dehumanization is also fun though I guess.
We all knew where this was going.
Those who didn’t vote based on some sort of moral principle were dumb enough to not realize they would make whatever those issues were 1000 times worse.
Hope they’re happy with people being disappeared off the streets.
Sure.
Yeah that doesn’t magically make them not disenfranchised felons, voting would just be committing a fairly serious crime.
That’s fucked up Nazi shit bud.
Oh geez, you can act like that’s what I’m saying, but it’s not.
Nice try though?
It’s literally what you said and doubled down on bud.
🙄
nobodies talking about people that lost the right to vote. chill.
They didn’t add any nuance and they doubled down, why would I think more or less than what is said.
Ed: >Anyone who didn’t vote is especially responsible.
Fucking dumbasses that they are.
Where’s the exception, where’s the nuance? Oh then maybe be like oh shit sorry I could be more clear, instead of “that’s not what I said” which is factually incorrect.
The irony of someone asking where the nuance is and immediately diving for the worst possible interpretation is truly amazing 😂😂😂
I can only assume you didn’t vote and feel guilty due to your need to deflect.
That’s not irony boss.
Ed: also we’ve went over this already but you’re either too dumb to remember or conveniently forgetting. I’m a disenfranchised voter and you’re just a bigot.
What reasons because of Gaza? Yah how did that turn out seems one option was worse then the other.
I already said there are reasons people couldn’t vote that are beyond their control like felon disenfranchisement.
You understand reasons exist beyond ideological ones correct?
That’s basically a declaration of war against a NATO country.
The US should thus also bomb itself through article 5 when it decides to invade Greenland.Just do it, okay? I’m so fucking tired of hearing this bullshit everyday. Just do it and get it fucking done with , you fucking imbecile.
Careful…careful what you wish for… we don’t want to do that.
Accelerationism hasn’t proven to be an effective method of dealing with him so far. There’s no reason to believe that pattern would change because of this.
