Kudos to California. The neo-Nazi filled MAGA is all about state rights and I hope they tell California to secede.
I hope California succeeds at seceding
EU is already trying to specifically target products from red states with tariffs.
That’s not going to work in practice. The US economy is even more tangled under the hood than it is internationally.
Might as well say you’re taking a called shot on someone’s left ventrical, because you don’t want to hurt any other part of their body.
Source? (No doubt, just looking forward tobreading more)
Not sure what media you prefer, find a nice article here: https://www.ecosia.org/search?q=eu+targetting+red+states
I think that’s the nicest “LMGTFY” kind of response I’ve seen. Kudos to you, my friend.
Secede and then we can trade :)
If they secede you will definitely not be trading with either half for a long time.
Better than the current situation honestly. Both being preoccupied is better than Trump’s admirations of Canadian minerals
Not if you get all the nuclear fallout.
I think I’d rather be nuked than be lead by the orange man ngl
I doubt that’s true
I don’t know if you understand the pettiness and absolute disdain of the idea of being American that Canadians have. I live in Ottawa so I would be in the city that gets nuked if it came to that
Ok
I honestly think you’re soapboxing for clout.
It’s good that everyone is weaning themselves off American products, but you’re fooling yourself if you really think America having a civil war won’t make your life as a Canadian objectively worse.
I’m of the opinion that despite America not learning from fascism’s rise to power, most of the rest of the world did, and will back each other up much better than they did 100 years ago. In other words, we’re never annexing Canada or your minerals, we’re merely making life hell for ourselves (and anyone else who depends on our economy). Imagine the Third Reich except no invasions, just an internal Holocaust. I think that’s the worse case scenario. Canada isn’t invading to save our minorities, same as nobody invaded Germany to save theirs.
Glad to hear, im Canadian and i have no problem buying American products from certain states.
I do. Get fucked, California. Fix your shit instead of working around it.
Trump took 38.3% of the vote in California. Is that who you want to do trade with?
38.3% of voters.
Not 38.3% of the population.
Pretty significant difference.
Ya, I think that’s what I said?
Which is not a majority, there’s more blue voters in Texas than Republicans in California.
I don’t think OP cares about it being a majority or not. 38% voters is too many for their liking. And honestly, you can’t blame 'em.
We did fix our shit, the shit we can’t fix is the south, nobody can, they are a shame on the country.
I don’t understand why the north won and still allowed the Confederate flag, war criminals to be heroes name bases after war criminals. It boogles my mind and is probably one of the reasons America is where it is. The north never actually won just dominated for awhile.
It is because we generally don’t obsess about the south like they obsess about themselves and the north.
We have shit to do.
Like an unemployed drunk staying at home, screaming at the TV and beating his wife because their life didn’t turn out well.
While we have reasons not to be so trash.
Thats way less than most places in the US and less than fucking doug ford got in ontario. Less than Pierre was polling canada wide too. So yeah, I’d rather trade with them than say fucking alberta which is also way higher conservative poll numbers.
If you prefer to trade with California rather than Alberta, you basically have a brain maga.
In what way? Alberta is politcally basically the polar opposite to my beliefs, and is holding the entire country back. California is still not nearly left enough for my tastes, but aside from some outlying rural areas generally is much more favorable to my political views. With the exception of trade barriers and the fact that money going to california still impacts the US GDP, generally speaking Id rather give my money to people with similar beliefs as myself, especily if those people are trying to take a stand against trump/other fascist politicians and not licking their boots and huffing oil fumes like danielle smith.
Oh shit can they do that?
I don’t think so.
Politics can sort of be like playing a cross between chess and chicken. Strategic moves to see who blinks first. It’s a constitutional challenge that will need to be addressed by the federal government, taking their time and resources from their own unconstitutional efforts.
Or not. I’m just an Internet person who as far as anyone knows has zero expertise in these sorts of things.
Why not? If the last couple of months have proven anything, it’s that our entire system is a paper tiger.
cExit?
It’s really not legally possible, meaning your either having a revolution, a civil war, or the USA has no ability to stop you as it’s effectively over.
Unless CA has military bases that would fully side with them, as in all the ones in CA and they would need other states, THEN a war could be possible, but that is very unlikely, currently there’s no military that could beat the US military, so it’s not even worth going over unless the US dissolves.
The civil war only happens if the U.S. attacks after a secession, but the state that single most funds the U.S. military is California, if you include Washington and Oregon in the secession you now end up with 19ish% of the countries budget and a sizable percentage of the military bases. With the American civil war there was somewhat defined lines of north vs south but this would be fights inside their own states.
And the sentiment of half the East Coast (the one that matters) would be sympathetic to the secessionists
But the tariffs are paid by American. It is tax on Americans. Why would foreign country care too much.
They care because their economies rely on people buying the products. The reasons why tariffs hurt both sides is because the movement of products decays. That’s the whole idea, so that the products’ supply source changes.
Cool but Americans should cool down their consumerism anyways.They consume the vast majority of stuff which is why everyone wants into the market.
There are a lot of complicated reasons why high tariff are a global problem in a global economy, but simply put:
- High tariffs raise prices
- High prices reduce sales
- Fewer sales reduces profit
Reduced profit for a single company or industry isn’t usually detrimental to a national or global economy. But when an entire country’s economy is hit with reduced profits across every industry, then it creates a problem.
So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.
So in summary, Americans are going to get fucked directly, “foreign countries” are going to get fucked indirectly.
And the only people who win are the billionaires that get to swoop in and buy everything up at bargain basement prices.
I am not affected by tariffs, but I am going to further raise the prices of my digital goods on US platforms anyway. Because i noticed people buy anyway when i raised prices earlier this year.
my impact is extremely tiny, but if everyone does it, especially for essential products sold to US. This might help a nation as a whole compensate for loss of revenue in other industries affected by tariffs.
Most people in US will think the higher prices for everything are due to tariffs.
Eh, what do you sell and on which platform? I’d like to avoid you, firstly, and secondly, knowing that will give me an idea of what to tell you to expect.
I’m buying less these days. Going on less vacations. Picking up fewer wants, and limiting my purchases to needs. Reducing the amount of money I spend. I am seeing it as more money is going into savings now than when Biden was POTUS. Gonna need to do that because everything’s about to get more expensive. I need to get used to doing more with less, because otherwise, I’m going to take it right in the chin. As will many of my American counterparts.
You might escape scott free. Or you might not. Your country likely is tariffing everything from the USA, and the USA is likely tariffing you as well. You might find fewer people buy your stuff because not ONLY has the US tariffed money out of your buyers, you’re exploiting them as well, meaning they get double hit. While it’s your right to set your price to what you want, don’t be surprised if your sales take a hit. Also, it’s a very douchebag move to take advantages of your customers…just like what the Shitgibbon would do, so I do hope your customers look elsewhere for their sales. Too bad we as Americans don’t have that luxury to avoid tariffs.
Even if I sell less it doesn’t matter, the higher prices makes up for it. I don’t need to sell much at higher price. People buy my stuff usually to save time, they are trying to meet project deadlines. As long as it is cheaper to buy instead of building it themselves which might take days, weeks they are still saving time and money.
Note that I raise prices on US platform only. My prices on site based in Europe (Lithuania) is much lower (American can buy from there if they bother to search, I do see US customers IPs on my sale stats), If you really want to talk about greed and douchebag-ness it is the US platforms that are super greedy they are taking more than 60% from each of my sales. While the Europe platform only take 30%. So I could care less if I lose sale on the US sites, I prefer if my customer buy from europe site instead.
It seems countries getting hit by tariffs don’t tariff US goods as high as trump is claiming, https://www.threads.net/@aaliamauro/post/DICFOusPqD1
US doesn’t even export enough goods to some of those countries to hit tariff triggers. So most item remain tariff free. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/fact-check-trump-tariffs-trade/index.html
The tariffs broken down by internet level domain makes no sense, It looks very unscientific and lazy.
I see you avoided answering my question, so it’s a lot harder to give you hard facts, but let’s look at a hypothetical purchase in Lithuania.
First, you don’t seem to understand how tariffs work. We don’t pay tariffs on exports. We pay it on imports. Let’s say you sell a widget from your page for $10. To get it into the USA, I’d have to pay you $10, and Uncle Sam $2. Doesn’t matter how much you sell or don’t sell. The shitgibbon has demanded his 20%, and so if I were to buy something from you, I’d have to give $0.20 for every $1.00 I give you.
But that’s just the start of the hurt. European Union countries are likely to tariff us back. So if you order your raw materials from the USA, your own country is gonna be standing there with its hand out. That 4.56 EUR you were going to pay a US company also has a 0.91 EUR extra charge added to it by your country. So you raise from $10.00 to $11.00 to make up that extra 0.91 EUR…which then means I have to pay $2.20 to the Shitgibbon, pushing my price up to $13.20 US, JUST so you can still make your profit target.
Some countries are mulling export taxes as well. Ontario, for example, is putting a 25% export tariff on electricity shipped to the northern US. If Lithuania decides that widgets need a 20% export tariff, now, suddenly, your 10.04 EUR item now has Lithuania holding its hand out looking for 2.00 EUR. You’re not gonna want to eat that, so your price needs to increase so you get the same profit as before. Let’s say…13 EUR to make up the tariff margin (you end up giving 2.60 EUR to Lithuania, and are still giving 5.47 EUR to your supplier, leaving you with 4.93 left over), and now I’m paying $14.21 plus $2.84, for a total of 17.05. And this is all before you start talking about charging me even more.
Digital products may currently escape this, so if you’re offering software or PDFs or NFTs or whatnot, you might indeed be not worried about the immediate nonsense going down.
I have no problem with you if you’re raising your prices on platforms that take a bigger cut of your sales. I’d suggest you shop around for better platforms, and nothing says you have to use US platforms. I’d support you on an EU platform if that meant I paid less and you got paid more. It just seemed you were saying you were going to target Americans more just 'cause. We didn’t all vote for the Shitgibbon over here.
As for your last three paragraphs? Yeah. “Preaching to the Choir” is what I’d tell you on that. Yes, the tariffs are stupid. And Trump is golfing while the economy burns.
You only asked a 2 part single question to find out which platform to avoid, you obviously know it would not be answered. I need you to pay the higher prices, not avoid the platform. Since you want to **avoid **the platform I **avoid **telling you, we both avoid so it is fair.
Your explanation shows that you finally understand tariffs.
Yes it is all about **upsizing **the impact on US and reducing impact elsewhere. Voting for tariffs clearly shows that majority of US citizen and government loves to pay more tax for foreign and local goods.
You are right digital product/services escaped this for now, this means they might be affected in the future so based on your good advice I would have to raise prices for US so as to build up the buffer to weather the potential tariffs on digital goods/services.
To help the non-US people, penguins and seals, I give discount vouchers to non US customers to help them further reduce cost outside US.
I don’t need to shop around, I have mentioned my products are on other platforms.
I would still put my product on that US platform and others, for the advertisement and to pull non-us customer away from them to a better deals elsewhere but some users are willing to pay the higher prices so let them pay. willing buyer willing seller. it is not going to bankrupt anyone don’t worry. Note, I am also raising rates for US clients for digital services too not just products. Need to build the buffer.
And this is constitutional how exactly?
There is a precedent for lawlessness. Literally anything is constitutional now, you just do it and ignore the court ruling. Where have you been the last decade?
wanna join EU? ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)
Already looking into it…
This is based on a quote “look at new opportunities to expand trade” and a tweet “California is here and ready to talk.” How definitive do those two things sound? How definitive does Newsweek’s title sound?
Newsweek is a gossip rag.
Newsweek is pretty close to a tabloid these days. They are a tad better than the NY Post, but not by much.
lol i’m considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego… if California can nix the chicken tax then i’m moving.
Last civil war was about state rights to own slaves. Now its state right to avoid trade distribution?
My god the writers need to be fired.
Turmoil has engulfed the United States of America. The taxation of trade routes is in dispute.
How 'bout religious awakening against trump?
Isn’t it for trump?
Yes, but remember the Jews are a very crafty folk. They are building their plot of canonization through trump - however their is one other person that could supercede his religious seat.
The right name, at the right time, in the right place makes all the difference.
However normal people are so antichristian without even trying to understand the reasoning behind a christian book. Which I find really frustrating, as they don’t understand it is pivotal to capturing the world’s heart. It has been used as the archetype for the modern worker and their submission. Submission to each other is kindness, and peaceful. However, we are forced to submit to a faceless corporation, for which we must revere, fear, and hold above all else while in position. Essentially making a false god in all but name, however this unbreathing beast controls your lives.
Literally what I was thinking thx
And big money in politics. I’d argue Citizens United was the Dread Scott of our time.
Unfortunately, there have been a lot of Dred Scotts of our time.
Dobbs, Trump v Anderson, et cetera.
Fair point Trump v Anderson for sure
It would be ironic if businesses come back to California because of the tariffs.
Succession! And we’re taking Hawaii Oregon and Washington. We can trade with the EU and Canada. Maybe we can join the EU
If we’re fixing America’s beshittlements, can we restore the Hawaiian monarchy?
Yeah that seems fair. Can you guys take care of zuck and Ellison? ……I’m thinking sewer slaves would be best after seizing their assets of course
Or at least let Hawaii be independent again and let the people of Hawaii decide what they want. Too bad they don’t teach the history of what American corporations did to destroy Hawaii and how the US government helped overthrow a friendly foreign nation for American oligarchs to rule.
It’s too bad Utah and Nevada are between Colorado and California…
Im not an American but can they actually do this legally?
Depends on how legally you need it. They also have marijuana by way of nonenforcement.
Legally? No. But you can’t secede legally either so there is a fuzzy line there somewhere should they start down that road.
I’m not a British Subject, but can the Colonists actually go to war against the King?
I mean, I guess we’ll find out together
