Blessings be bestowed upon us.
Man, the size of brains of people calling someone racist just because they vote right, completely unaware of their own contribution in this matter. Guess, anyone who doesn’t vote right is antifa
If you vote for racists, then you are racist. It’s as simple as that.
Exactly. Just because they say the same stuff, want the same changes and behave the same way as racists, doesnt mean theyre racists!
Being anti-fascist is a good thing.
Germany was never truly de-Nazified.
Seeing as some left to Argentina or were recruited by the US and the USSR for NASA, no they never were de-Nazified, they just wiped the blood off their name tags.
Yep, prominent Nazis were even given leadership of NATO, such as Adolf Heusinger. The Soviets ended up being far harsher to the Nazis, hence why so many fled to Latin America to get away. Makes sense, considering the absolute devastation the Nazis wrought on the Soviets and the 20 million Soviet lives the Nazis took, and how comparatively little the US saw, as the 2 major powers emerging from World War II.
“No you can’t bring up that NATO had actual Nazis with blood on their hands as leaders! Especially ones that tried to make a new Waffen-SS in the 50s! That’s unfair!”
Yep, people love to reflexively defend NATO, as it’s very effectively pitched as merely a “defensive alliance” when it has always served as a coercive arm for the US to pressure its geopolitical adversaries, especially the Soviets, hence why they worked with the most effective anticommunists, the Nazis. If you don’t play along with NATO, then they pull Operation Gladio on you.
And russian bots love to attack NATO because it prevents their dictator putin from conquering all previous USSR territories that became sovereign nations.
NATO wouldn’t be necessary if Russia stopped invading other countries. So you can blame putin for that.
That’s the thing: you can’t kill an idea by killing the man. The idea only dies with good education, proper social support, social cohesion and good (economic) prospects for the future. Same goes for Hamas IMO: try to kill as many soldiers as you can, the collateral damage among civilians breeds only the next soldier in line
While this is absolutely true, I dont think, that this is the cause of the current uprise of facism.
Fascism is generally Capitalism’s immune system as it declines, meant to violently root out leftist opposition as workers begin to protest their conditions.
I’m stealing that analogy, thank you very much.
I’d generalize it a bit to say, fascism is the immune system of any system built on bad principles that’s collapsing under the weight of its own internal contradictions. The obvious decay then creates a space psychos and grifters to pose as faux saviors and gain power by scamming people into something they pretend is a solution but is actually a death cult.
When are you moving to russia? It is one of the most denazified countries in the world right now, after all.
Surely they don’t have a Neo-Nazi party office right now, right? No party called the AfD that does that?
Surely.
Yes. The exact same that cozies up to russia and praises United Russia politics.
The same one.
Avert your eyes to all evidence of taking russian blood money as well.
Deploy another argument!
So AfD is a good party that isn’t practicing the xenophobic and hateful policies of Neo-Nazis? Musk doesn’t love them?
Ha good joke
“At least we’re not as racist as the US!”
“…yet.”
But we are working on yourself to catch up with the US.
Sadly true. Fuck the CDU and AfD. Nazi helpers and Nazis.
SPD and Grüne are helping the rise of fascism too even if it’s not on purpose. Die Linke are the only ones in parliament actually working against it.
Wanting to leave NATO, withholding weapons from Ukraine and talking to Putin isn’t exactly “working against” fascism. That’s very much the Neville Chamberlain approach … but even he came to his sense after the full scale invasion started. Can’t say the same for die Linke.
NATO is a fascist organisation.
You Germs should know that since they incorporated plenty nazis in the organisation.https://www.dispropaganda.com/single-post/2019/04/04/natos-secret-nazi-past
NATO is liberal and that comes with all of the problems of liberals but in what ways has it functioned as a fascist organisation?
So did the warsaw packt and russia today even has them lead armys again. Your point?
While not fully denazifying west germany didnt hide their identities and they were out right critisised. Especially when a former office nazi got elected chanclor (Kurt Kissinger). He even got hit and boohed in public. Behind the iron curtain they outright hid the nazis. Hired SS and Gestapo for the Stasi (unlike the west).
I am comparing it because i know thats where you are going with your argument
While the Warhaw pact did have their own limited project paperclip it is a fact it was the west that fully incorporated the nazis into their regime.
The point being they both were anti-communist.
The west also helped escape 1000’s of the worst SS nazi warcriminals (ukranians) and relocated them to Canada.
What was their use?
There is zero equivalence and you can’t find more than some cherrypicked examples.
To the Russians some could be used but were their enemies, unlike the west where they had plenty of fascist sympathisers in Europe or N America.
https://ebeggin.substack.com/p/ratlines-nato-and-the-fourth-reich“and russia today even has them lead armys again”
LOL is that your claim? Let me say it for you, Ill cherrypick Dimitry Utkin for you bcs because i know where you are going with your argument. A guy from a private militia who is in no way part of the Russian army, as events later made abundantly clear.
You can find individual nazis in almost every country.
Guess who those Russian nazis are fighting for?
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/04/russian-neo-nazi-hooligan-who-led-anti-putin-militia-across/Ukraine has multible openly fascist batalions like Azov, Sich, Tornado and plenty more.
Where WW2 warcriminals are honored, etc…And let’s not forget how the west now whitewashes the horrible Navalny, who organised the Russian marches before they were forbidden, a racist making videos of him shooting muslims that he called cockroaches.
A disgusting criminal sold by the west as some brave hero fighting for democracy.
As riculous as saying Azov are totally not nazis anymore bcs they changed their logo.
If only Hitler would’ve done something to his swastika, he could’ve been a brave anti-commie fighter hero.You haven’t got a leg to stand on.
Ok Tankie.
shouldn’t you be beating up anti-genocide protesters while doing the Musk salute?
A tankie on .world? Funny
We’re having all the fun ridiculing all the fash and the lib enablers.
Don’t care, I’d rather live under the neolib European governments any day than a fascist Russian shithole. It’s not even a difficult choice. It’s not like there’s some leftist utopia as an alternative. The neolibs don’t murder gay people and don’t decriminalize violence against women as a state policy.
The neolibs don’t murder gay people and don’t decriminalize violence against women as a state policy. LOL where do you get your news from?
That’s the fascist Banderites you support.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/03/ukraine-activists-at-womens-solidarity-event-must-be-protected-from-attacks/Isn’t Amnesty an evil neoliberal org? Or are you a weird kind of tankie that doesn’t really have issue with it?
Regardless of that, it’s just like saying “Palestine deserved it” because Hamas and radical Islam.
I’m not going to react, your nonsense from your response says enough.
I’ll take government failures to control their pigs over actually siccing the murder pigs on the protestors.
I’m sure you can post proof of the government murdering womens marches, let’s see it
Don’t try to deflect, you’re fine with Russia murdering gay people.
Weak.
You’re deflecting when called out on your BS, prove your “Russia murdering gay people” lies
Considering that Putin is the biggest fascist threat for all of Europe, your statement is laughable. The Left agree that Putin is doing bad things in Ukraine and other countries but their message is that the domestic social net is more important than Europe’s survival and all weapon deliveries must stop. Let’s talk instead.
If policies were up to them, they’d be helping fascism almost as much as outright Putin sheep
How is Putin the biggest fascist threat for Europe? Fascism was literally born in Europe and exported elsewhere, we have Nazi and fascist parties getting consistent growth election after election in basically every EU country.
Believe it or not, Europe isn’t at war with Russia, we should be struggling in favour of diplomacy to reduce both our and their military expenditure… which is hard to do when riding hard the NATO wave. Ffs Europe was building gas pipelines with Russia 3.2 years ago, we’re really still capable of separating ourselves from fascist US, reduce military expenditure with fascist Russia, and take care of our own fascist problems.
Europe isn’t at war with Russia
Yes, we are. From election interference to contamination of drinking water at military bases in Germany, incendiary devices placed on DHL planes, and cutting undersea cables.
we should be struggling in favour of diplomacy to reduce both our and their military expenditure…
Completely naive. Diplomacy only works from a position of strength.
Russia invaded Georgia. No military help, only diplomacy: Led nowhere.
Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine: No military help, only diplomacy. Two Minsk Accords Russia used to build up their military and Russia then happily broke.
reduce military expenditure with fascist Russia, and take care of our own fascist problems.
Russia is part of Europe. Russia is waging genocide in Europe. North Korean soldiers are murdering in Europe. Putin is our fascist problem and people appeasing Putin are also a part of the problem.
If attacks to civilian infrastructure and election interference are enough to claim war, Germany should be in the first instance at war with the US and Ukraine according to that logic, given the explosion of the Nordstream (much more important and evident than reported drinking water alteration or whatever you claim of DHL planes with incendiary devices). Also, Ukraine should be at war with the US for its interference in the election process in 2014, where the democratically elected leader was toppled in a blatant west-backed coup.
You know what Georgia and Ukraine have in common? They’re in the Russian sphere of influence area and have been for the past century. What’s happening is that the west keeps meddling in the Russian sphere of influence and Russia responds in the only way it can: militarily. Russia exhausted the possibilities of diplomacy with the west, warned repeatedly of the consequences of western-alignment of Ukraine (which, again, was done antidemocratically in 2014). That’s the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine, because its diplomacy, soft power and interference were weaker than those of the west in maintaining a sphere of influence. Believe it or not, history didn’t begin in 2022.
The EU should stop the US-directed meddling in Russia’s sphere of influence, and start building relations with the countries that are actually sharing a continent with it. It’s just too racist and too subservient to US interests to do so.
Putin is our fascist problem and people appeasing Putin are also a part of the problem.
Putin is a fascist and that’s a problem, but he’s not the one pushing to cut our healthcare and education and pensions budgets, he does that in Russia. He’s not the one threatening our minorities and our women, he does that in Russia. Europe is more than capable of having fascism by itself without the help of Putin, and blaming everything on a Russian conspiracy is, well, a conspiracy. Russia isn’t nearly powerful or influential enough to be mostly responsible for the fascist problem in the EU, there are a lot more material conditions thst give raise to that.
Stop fucking cheering for war. Stop your warmongering attitudes, stop presenting Europe as the fighting ground for WW3, you DO NOT WANT to see war in the EU, and it’s absofuckinglutely not too late to go back.
Bold statement. Do you have any examples? I would disagree, but maybe I just don’t quite understand what you meant.
SPD is just standing by not doing anything (except being corrupt), basically silent complicity. The greens are also not clearly positioning themselves against the anti immigrant hatred, but they are still doing much better than the rest imo.
I agree with you on the SPD, but Habeck was pretty fucking clear that Abschiebung is not the way to go. The Linke on the other hand seems great until you see their position on NATO, rearmament, Russia, and Ukraine…
My dad literally voted for Volt instead of Grüne because “the Grüne was to positive about immigration”
I see peoples issues with the linke as largely unimportant. Having 9% of the seats taken by nato critical people is a healthy contra to the overwhelming majority that would never dare to criticize their sometimes criticism worthy decisions. If you never have anyone looking at things from an outside perspective the governement will lose touch with reality.
What should the SPD be doing?
Behave like social democrats, push to fund infrastructure and school upgrades (instead of defunding them), not have a leading candidate that was involved with the biggest tax fraud scheme in recent history, etc
I nisunderstood, I thought you were calling them to do something about AfD more directly.
The best way to fight fascism is with meaningful policy thay helps the working class. The best way to help it is proving that liberal democracy consists in getting to choose which party gets to enforce austerity this term
There are more fucking neo-Nazis in the USA than in Germany. The shit AfD voters come from the Oklahoma and Mississippi of Germany, Thuringia and Saxony.
Definitely not true. It sounds like you are German and if so it is pretty sad how little you keep up with your own election even though it happened just a few days ago. There are more AfD voters in eastern Germany but most Bundesländer have >18% AfD votes.
People tend to forget that Hitlers NSDAP only needed 18% in 1930 and a rigged election in 1933 to completely take over the country.
Coping doesnt get us anywhere. Its not always “the others” that vote far-right. Its the whole country, the educated just as well as the uneducated, the poor and the rich. Almost everyone has family members or friends that vote far-right and we need to talk to them, try to understand their motives and make them understand that AfD wants to make everything they fear 10 times worse.
Sorry - is the Reese’s mug a reference to something I should know about?
Former FCC chairman and piece of shit, Ajit Pai used to have a cartoonishly large Reese’s mug. Could be an old picture and all of the text has been changed.
I was told by a German person on this very site that they’d never go right wing again because of a unique type of centrism in the country that’s hugely popular and that my tiny American brain couldn’t comprehend. Oh well, guess that’s just another common centrist L.
Third time’s a charm!
“Centrists stand for the status quo, they would never change for the worse.”
“What if the worse is the status quo and normalized with decades of propaganda and brainwashing?”
“That could never happen!”
Average centrist L.
I don’t want to start a war or anything but as someone from neither the USA or Europe, Europeans online often come across as even more exceptionalist than Americans, despite the reputation to the contrary. Because, at least in leftish or liberal spaces, no one is more ready to shit on and call out the USA than Americans. And I don’t mean they’re anti-American or whatever, they just want their country to be better, so they call out all the shit.
Europeans on the other hand often seem more proud and / or defensive about their countries. Maybe they speak openly in their own country specific communities but I don’t get the sense that they’re as open and friendly to outside input or criticism as the Americans are.
The way I see it, we’re all hooked onto the same stream of memes and billionaire owned news sources everywhere across the world. So thinking we’re immune to being overtaken by dangerous alt right nonsense and ignoring all the obvious signs would be a very stupid move, wherever you are. If they’re not taking this seriously, they’re doing exactly what the Americans did and have done since 2016.
I have no idea how this can be possible, but europeans are proud of their roots AND want their countries to be better. And there are defensive people AND people openly shitting on their countries.
As if they see both sides of the coin. Or! OR it depends who you talk to!
I am getting a feeling that countries are more than a single person. And Europe, might be more than one country. Just like China has provinces/states. And USA.
Yeah that’s fair enough and I’m definitely generalizing. It’s just the general sum of my personal observations over the years. And it could easily be just seeing the wrong conversations in the wrong places or whatever. To be fair, you seem to hear about US issues a lot more than European issues on the net in general anyway.
in fairness, Germany’s right-wing CSU/CDU could just as easily form a coalition with AFD. It is unique that they’re still willing to stand by their principles and work to cut AFD out of the government, going as far as threatening a ban. The American Republican Party jumped into bed with the fascist Tea Party immediately, without hesitation, and rode the Trump train.
I still don’t expect the new centrist coalition to materially address the underlying economic concerns that are driving AFD support, and it seems likely that they’ll be too big to ignore by the next election. A future centrist L, if you were.
Centrism is just seeing an elephant about to step on a mouse and trying to make a compromise.
Just cause usa is fucked up completely doesn’t mean every other country is. left, centrist and right in most of europe would be categorized as “socialist terrorist group” in the usa.
Name a three countries that aren’t fucked.
Switzerland, Finland, Australia.
Lmao you think Finland is doing well?
I get it, everythin is bad cause your standard for success is impossibly high. Congrats you won internet argument and are most humanitarian or whatever.
My standards for success are simply not having fascists in the government. And my point is, even though we definitely are doing better, fascism is on rise everywhere. What happens in America never stays in America, and in the end, we all get fucked even if some get more fucked than others. Have a good day.
To be fair, Germany is still far better off than the US or some other European countries. In the national election that just happened, the far right party won about 20% of the votes and the (traditionally) centre-right party won while moving further to the right. That said they’re still about as far right as the Democrats in the US.
It’s just that Germans are on alert about the rise of fascism and are raising the alarm bells now, before the fascist actually take over control.
to be fair, this is the image the center parties have and upkeep. I, as a farly left person, already question if this seperation to right extremism will still be upheld in 4 years. Our Center-right partie CDU falls more and more for populist rethoric, which reminds me of the republicans or the toris.
So what you have been told is not wrong per se. But there is a significant amount of people in the country and politicans in the parlaiment, that argue the seperation between right exremism and center parties did already collaps behind the scenes.
Fascism is really good for the rich to get richer
Wouldn’t want anything bad to happen to our beloved overlords. 💰OTL
